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Danny's Player Signing Management
« on: July 09, 2019, 10:16:21 AM »

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Another season with too many players signed and not enough roster spots open. This happened a few years ago and is about to happen again. That will be the case, unless there's a trade in the works we are not privy to. 

This roster overload sometimes has been a problem at the trading deadline too...although not so much lately, i.e., their roster would be full while other teams, with roster room, could sign impact players. He's gotten better in this regard. But, why is it happening in the first place? 

Unless I'm mistaken the Celtics have already signed Wanamaker, Theis and Poirier, Ojeleye and Yabusele for the 2019-2020 season. Will any of them be major contributors? Obviously, we don't know about Poirier. But judging from past performances, the rest will be fair, not great.

In hindsight should Danny have made these signings given the influx of impressive draftee showings in Summer League? Not only have the draft picks played well, the invitees also look like keepers.

For example, Tacko's been unbelievable! Surely he'll go down as one of the Celtics all-time fan favorites should Danny sign him. (Please sign him Danny!!!) Besides Carsen, Waters has looked great and a keeper in my mind. And, in my opinion, Green might be another gem. (No, I haven't forgotten Grant.)   

Had this been a one time thing I'd be okay with this logjam. However, it's appears to be an ongoing issue that should not keep happening.

Maybe Danny's stuck between a rock and a hard place. If he leaves spots open and the draftees turn out to be duds, then what?

Being a couch potato GM everything is so much clearer with the aid of 20/20 hindsight. Or, maybe there's something to be said about my observations and Danny might take heed in the future.   
     

Re: Danny's Player Signing Management
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2019, 10:19:52 AM »

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It's only been a couple of games vs. mostly non-NBA caliber players.  I like the picks but the jury is still out.  That said, it does seem that Drafter Danny did a better job this year overall.

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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2019, 10:30:59 AM »

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I  don't think Tacko is worth anything more than a two-way contract at this point. 

Re: Danny's Player Signing Management
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2019, 10:32:12 AM »

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It's only been a couple of games vs. mostly non-NBA caliber players.  I like the picks but the jury is still out.  That said, it does seem that Drafter Danny did a better job this year overall.

Couldn't agree more... The fact that every pick from this years draft has contributed more than 2016 16th pick Yabs is at least encouraging. 

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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2019, 10:36:37 AM »

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Yabusele has actually gotten worse. He was better when he first got here than he is now. Puzzling. The only way he should be on the roster is if Ainge really thinks he can have a use for his contract.

I just don't think Tacko is mobile enough to play vs. real players. He'll foul every time his man gets the ball. He would be torturous for someone inbounding on the baseline, but we can't keep a guy based on that alone.

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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2019, 10:43:04 AM »

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It's only been a couple of games vs. mostly non-NBA caliber players.  I like the picks but the jury is still out.  That said, it does seem that Drafter Danny did a better job this year overall.

Couldn't agree more... The fact that every pick from this years draft has contributed more than 2016 16th pick Yabs is at least encouraging.
Now to just somehow be rid of the Dancing Bear
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2019, 10:49:01 AM »

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It's only been a couple of games vs. mostly non-NBA caliber players.  I like the picks but the jury is still out.  That said, it does seem that Drafter Danny did a better job this year overall.

Couldn't agree more... The fact that every pick from this years draft has contributed more than 2016 16th pick Yabs is at least encouraging.

Don’t forget Langford who hasn’t played.  He could be a great find as well once thought of as a top 5 prospect.

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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2019, 10:50:09 AM »

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Cutting a guy now makes no sense unless you have someone else to sign now. If we want to get someone at the deadline, we can just cut them then, with the added bonus of possibly using them in a trade

Most teams will have a surplus of players signed going into training camp, that way you can keep someone if they look worth it, or cut them (while your G League team gets the rights to the last 2 players you cut)

Having Yabusele or Porier on the roster will in no way prevent Danny from signing an "impact player" if they become available
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2019, 10:50:15 AM »

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It's only been a couple of games vs. mostly non-NBA caliber players.  I like the picks but the jury is still out.  That said, it does seem that Drafter Danny did a better job this year overall.

Couldn't agree more... The fact that every pick from this years draft has contributed more than 2016 16th pick Yabs is at least encouraging.
Now to just somehow be rid of the Dancing Bear
I highly doubt the team picks up his option by end of October (or whenever the deadline is) so he'll be UFA after upcoming season. Unless he's traded during the season you won't see him around for long. He'll be back in China playing ball.

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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2019, 11:01:53 AM »

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It's only been a couple of games vs. mostly non-NBA caliber players.  I like the picks but the jury is still out.  That said, it does seem that Drafter Danny did a better job this year overall.

Couldn't agree more... The fact that every pick from this years draft has contributed more than 2016 16th pick Yabs is at least encouraging.
Now to just somehow be rid of the Dancing Bear
I highly doubt the team picks up his option by end of October (or whenever the deadline is) so he'll be UFA after upcoming season. Unless he's traded during the season you won't see him around for long. He'll be back in China playing ball.
At this point the only reason to keep Yabu around is as possible filler in a trade. If they really need the roster spot they can dump him, but it makes sense to keep that contract around unless they really need that roster spot.

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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2019, 11:05:12 AM »

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Having too many decent players isn't a problem.

Having too many decent players who feel they've already earned a large role is a problem.

That's not where the Celts roster is right now.


Also, it's both amusing and a little mystifying that every single year we have to learn the lesson anew that Summer League is a fun diversion but doesn't really mean anything except insofar as it looks bad for the players who fail to stand out.
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2019, 11:06:07 AM »

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As it's been mentioned several times, Yabusele isn't going anywhere. His contract is like a joker in cards. It's cheap and expiring. You can fit that contract into any trade to match salaries. There is absolutely no way that Danny is going to cut him before the trade deadline.

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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2019, 11:09:35 AM »

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My concern is once again having too few vets.  Kemba and Smart are the only guys on the team that automatically command respect. Not Hayward: too injures, and the coach’s pet. Not Kanter. Not...

That’s it. Four  guys with four or more years of experience.  If you count Tacko and Waters, that’s six rookies and a bunch of guys with between one and three years of experience. 

I have never liked rosters like that, even in the CB Draft.


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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2019, 11:23:06 AM »

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My concern is once again having too few vets.  Kemba and Smart are the only guys on the team that automatically command respect. Not Hayward: too injures, and the coach’s pet. Not Kanter. Not...

That’s it. Four  guys with four or more years of experience.  If you count Tacko and Waters, that’s six rookies and a bunch of guys with between one and three years of experience. 

I have never liked rosters like that, even in the CB Draft.
Yeah, I have similar concerns. Too bad our roster seems set, because an experienced guy could likely have helped. Dunno who is even out there that would fill that gap
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2019, 11:28:00 AM »

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My concern is once again having too few vets.  Kemba and Smart are the only guys on the team that automatically command respect. Not Hayward: too injures, and the coach’s pet. Not Kanter. Not...

That’s it. Four  guys with four or more years of experience.  If you count Tacko and Waters, that’s six rookies and a bunch of guys with between one and three years of experience. 

I have never liked rosters like that, even in the CB Draft.

I wonder if this was by design. Younger guys more likely to buy in to what coach preaches, and put it  all on the line.  Watching how hard the rookies are all playing on the defensive end, maybe their energy will carry forward into the regular season.