The ridiculous pessimism regarding Jaylen Brown

[Green-18]

The only thing that concerns me with Brown, is the report in the Jackie McMullen article about that road trip in Miami where the Celtics had a back to back and Kyrie was upset that some of the young players wanted to go out bar hopping after a long late flight and a game the next day.  This right before Jaylens indirect comments towards Kyrie in the media

Follow that up with these random, sometimes immature, posts on Jaylens Instagram/Twitter lately that are being posted at 2 and 3am.

It makes me wonder how focused he is sometimes, or at the very least, lacks common sense on occasion.

Any links? That's a bit concerning.

He's been traveling quite a bit.  For example, a 2:00 AM post would really be 8:00 AM when he was in France.   

Anyways, the last thing I'm worried about is work ethic when it comes to Jaylen Brown.  I think people forget how poorly he ranked in most advanced metrics at the collegiate level.  The consensus among GM's is that he was a pure upside play with no NBA ready skills.  This is why his projections were all over the place in mock drafts.

Jaylen has improved each season since coming into the league.  This includes last year, where his season stats don't provide an accurate representation of his performance.  His real season didn't begin until December, after he had recovered from injuries.  Jaylen posted the best shooting splits of his career over the course of the last 56 games.  He continued this momentum right into the playoffs. 

It's difficult to project how far he can take his game.  What timeline do we use for our expectations?  Let's use Jimmy Butler as an example.  Butler broke out in year 4, but he also entered the league at 22 years old.  I'd love to see a similar breakout from Brown.  That said, I think we'd all be content if he could emerge as an excellent defender, even if his offense stagnated. 

[Somebody]

The only thing that concerns me with Brown, is the report in the Jackie McMullen article about that road trip in Miami where the Celtics had a back to back and Kyrie was upset that some of the young players wanted to go out bar hopping after a long late flight and a game the next day.  This right before Jaylens indirect comments towards Kyrie in the media

Follow that up with these random, sometimes immature, posts on Jaylens Instagram/Twitter lately that are being posted at 2 and 3am.

It makes me wonder how focused he is sometimes, or at the very least, lacks common sense on occasion.

Any links? That's a bit concerning.

He's been traveling quite a bit.  For example, a 2:00 AM post would really be 8:00 AM when he was in France.   

Anyways, the last thing I'm worried about is work ethic when it comes to Jaylen Brown.  I think people forget how poorly he ranked in most advanced metrics at the collegiate level.  The consensus among GM's is that he was a pure upside play with no NBA ready skills.  This is why his projections were all over the place in mock drafts.

Jaylen has improved each season since coming into the league.  This includes last year, where his season stats don't provide an accurate representation of his performance.  His real season didn't begin until December, after he had recovered from injuries.  Jaylen posted the best shooting splits of his career over the course of the last 56 games.  He continued this momentum right into the playoffs. 

It's difficult to project how far he can take his game.  What timeline do we use for our expectations?  Let's use Jimmy Butler as an example.  Butler broke out in year 4, but he also entered the league at 22 years old.  I'd love to see a similar breakout from Brown.  That said, I think we'd all be content if he could emerge as an excellent defender, even if his offense stagnated.

Good point about timezones. And I think his offense is already pretty good, he really just needs to develop that feel stars have on the offensive end.

[jambr380]

Brown has a lot of Kyrie in him with the psedudo intellectual talks, vague social media quotes and the love of attention.

Can't question his work ethic or desire to get better. By all accounts he's a gym rat.

I think we'll learn about him this season.

There is nothing pseudo-intellectual about Jaylen Brown. The dude is true an intellectual as he continues to further his education and understanding of the world. Don't you remember this classic game of, "Who said it? Kyrie Irving or Jaden Smith." The two shouldn't really be compared in any way, shape, or form.

As for this thread, I hope it is not a referendum on me saying in another thread that I did not feel comfortable giving him a full 5-yr max extension right now. I think he is immensely talented and could easily prove to be a full max player, but I would personally like to see him take that next step in proving himself to be one this upcoming season. That offer will still be there next year. I would love nothing more than for Jaylen to take that next step and be a centerpiece of this Cs franchise for years to come.

[PAOBoston]

I’m one of those that thinks Brown ends up batter than Tatum. With time, I think he will become an excellent two way player. He has flaws but he’s shown that he can work/improve/adapt. Last year was a rough start for him with all the turmoil about roles etc but out of all the young guys, he accepted his demotion/role the best imo. From December on, he was one of the Cs best players and the numbers prove that.

I would not extend him early but I do believe he will get an RFA deal next summer at which point the Cs would need to decide to max or not. My hope is he does play the way he is expected to so the extension decision is an easy one.

Sometimes young players, especially young players as raw as JB coming out of college, need time.

[BMark]

Are fans pessimistic about JB as a player generally or just disinclined to give him a max contract based on his performance to date?  He may have untapped potential but I would question as of right now whether he has earned a max contract.  I would say he has not yet earned it,

[Moranis]

I wouldnt offer a max contract to him..what u see is what u going to get from him

Jaylen is definitely getting a max offer sheet from someone. The problem is not that he doesn’t deserve it ... the problem is no one knows whether he deserves it or not

Is he?  Not many teams will have cap space next summer and I'm not sure he is better than someone like Brogdon who didn't get anywhere near a max contract in the much better market that was this summer.

I must have missed the part where Brogdon was in trade talks for Kawhi Leonard.

OP’s point is real. Just the other day I stumbled upon this gem
https://www.nbadraft.net/forum/2016-lottery-redraft

Anyone who puts Caris LeVert over Brown should get a CT of the head. Talk about the most overrated garbage time hero in the NBA. He wouldn’t make the standard rotation on last years Celtics team.

Bucks were in the trade discussion for Leonard, but they didn't want to give up Middleton who was needed as the main salary part of the trade similar to DeRozan or Smart.  Without Middleton a deal was never going to happen, but Brogdon absolutely would have been a treasured component of any trade and frankly might have killed the deal as the Bucks were unlikely going to want to give up both Middleton and Brogdon. 

I think Brogdon and Brown are very similar players. Brogdon has continued to take massive strides forward, but he is much older than Brown which puts them on a very similar level from a value standpoint.  They've both been in the league 3 years as well (Brogdon was a 2nd round pick which is why he was a free agent this summer as opposed to next summer).  The market this summer was filled with teams with a lot of cap space and yet Brogdon still couldn't get anywhere near a max contract.  If Brown has a similar year next year, I don't think he gets a max contract.  Probably something like a 4 year, 100 million dollar contract.  That is better than Brogdon (4 year, 85 million), but not a max.  Hopefully Brown takes a massive leap and earns himself a 5 year max from the C's.

[droopdog7]

Three things.

Saying that brown won’t be a star isn’t hating on him.  I don’t see a star.

My evaluation of brown has to do with his skill set.  Brown is an above average nba athlete but not the anomaly some people make him out to be.  The rest of his game teeters just above and below average.  That’s not star material.

Finally, time to stop treating brown as some young player.  He’s entering his fourth year.  Time to put up or shut up.

[Somebody]

Are fans pessimistic about JB as a player generally or just disinclined to give him a max contract based on his performance to date?  He may have untapped potential but I would question as of right now whether he has earned a max contract.  I would say he has not yet earned it,

From what I've seen it's the former. I've seen many posters labelling him as a 3 and D player with little star potential, a fringe all star at best, etc.

[droopdog7]

Are fans pessimistic about JB as a player generally or just disinclined to give him a max contract based on his performance to date?  He may have untapped potential but I would question as of right now whether he has earned a max contract.  I would say he has not yet earned it,

From what I've seen it's the former. I've seen many posters labelling him as a 3 and D player with little star potential, a fringe all star at best, etc.

Yeah, I think that’s just about what he is (in terms of star potential at least).

[tonydelk]

All very good points.  I am on the boat as well that I have no clue why people are down on Jaylen.  He had a bad 1st half with an injured hand.  He played fantastic down the stretch and I can't wait to see what he does this year.  Most of our players were held back by the Kyrie game.  He dribbles for 20 seconds and either shoots or expected a team mate to bail him out.  I can't wait to see Gordon, Brown and Tatum in a structured offense with flow and movement.  Kemba did a lot of ISO on a bad team but a guy like him is more willing to work with in this system then a guy like Kyrie.  As happy as I was for that train wreck of a season to end I am more excited for this season to start.  I just hope Brown works on a few things this year.  Tighten those handles even more and get a little stronger.  I want Brown to attack the hoop constantly and to be even more effective he has to work on these two things to become an elite slasher.  I can't wait to see Jaylen this year and hope the C's lock him up asap versus letting him play out the year seeing what he does. 

[Somebody]

Are fans pessimistic about JB as a player generally or just disinclined to give him a max contract based on his performance to date?  He may have untapped potential but I would question as of right now whether he has earned a max contract.  I would say he has not yet earned it,

From what I've seen it's the former. I've seen many posters labelling him as a 3 and D player with little star potential, a fringe all star at best, etc.

Yeah, I think that’s just about what he is (in terms of star potential at least).

Yeah I disagree. I think he's already more than a 3 and D player with much more room for growth.

[NKY fan]

I wouldnt offer a max contract to him..what u see is what u going to get from him

Jaylen is definitely getting a max offer sheet from someone. The problem is not that he doesn’t deserve it ... the problem is no one knows whether he deserves it or not

Is he?  Not many teams will have cap space next summer and I'm not sure he is better than someone like Brogdon who didn't get anywhere near a max contract in the much better market that was this summer.

I must have missed the part where Brogdon was in trade talks for Kawhi Leonard.

OP’s point is real. Just the other day I stumbled upon this gem
https://www.nbadraft.net/forum/2016-lottery-redraft

Anyone who puts Caris LeVert over Brown should get a CT of the head. Talk about the most overrated garbage time hero in the NBA. He wouldn’t make the standard rotation on last years Celtics team.

You are so wrong on Levert. It’s almost embarrassing to make that statement.
I bet most GMs around the league will prefer Levert over brown if they have to choose and given their looming restricted free agency.

[droopdog7]

Are fans pessimistic about JB as a player generally or just disinclined to give him a max contract based on his performance to date?  He may have untapped potential but I would question as of right now whether he has earned a max contract.  I would say he has not yet earned it,

From what I've seen it's the former. I've seen many posters labelling him as a 3 and D player with little star potential, a fringe all star at best, etc.

Yeah, I think that’s just about what he is (in terms of star potential at least).

Yeah I disagree. I think he's already more than a 3 and D player with much more room for growth.

Thats why I said in terms of star potential.  I don’t classify Brown as a 3 and d player either.  But the point about star potential stands for me.

[NKY fan]

I wouldnt offer a max contract to him..what u see is what u going to get from him

Jaylen is definitely getting a max offer sheet from someone. The problem is not that he doesn’t deserve it ... the problem is no one knows whether he deserves it or not

Is he?  Not many teams will have cap space next summer and I'm not sure he is better than someone like Brogdon who didn't get anywhere near a max contract in the much better market that was this summer.

Atlanta , Cleveland and Memphis all have miltiple max space capability. You can probably add Detroit and a few other teams that need a solid wing

[arctic 3.0]

At 22 years old he is a tier 1 3&d wing.
Can’t wait to see what he evolves into over the next few years.