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The ridiculous pessimism regarding Jaylen Brown
« on: July 05, 2019, 06:10:50 AM »

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I've recently noticed that people have soured on Jaylen Brown a lot after this season, with most labelling him as an average 3 and D role player with a ceiling of being a wing who's not elite at anything, while Tatum and Hayward still receive unlimited backing and love from Celtics fans as a future star or a star waiting to bounce back. While I do not intend to turn this thread into one that compares Brown with the two, I would like to point out that Brown is a top tier young wing who is underrated by his own fans, who believe that he is a complementary player with no shot at NBA stardom.

1. Underrated offensive potential
Even after a turbulent season for Jaylen Brown, which included him completely ****ting the bed to start off the season as well as only limited to playing around 20 MPG when he was hitting his stride to close out the season (Stevens would refuse to play him more than 20-22 minutes per game at the end of the season unless he set the court on fire from the get go), he still managed to lead our main rotation players in points per touch, a statistic that shows how many points a player scores on average every time he touches the ball. It also hasn't been due to a decrease in usage rate, as Brown managed to be among the leaders in this category ever since his rookie season (that season was his lowest, ranked 5th overall if you count Demetrius Jackson's measly sample size of 3.4 MPG), and managed to maintain that type of efficiency in his playoff run last season (best points per touch by far on that playoff squad, leading second placed Jayson Tatum 0.402 to 0.346 on 24% usage). People love to harp on how he is unable to score as a main option, but keep on ignoring the stats that point out his ability to score efficiently, even on increased usage.
Link for reference: https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612738&dir=1&sort=PTS_PER_TOUCH

2. Ignorance of the circumstances surrounding him this season
It wasn't a very good season for Brown this year, but people often forget that his stats were very likely muted due to the difficulties he faced this season. It's one thing to play bad in the first half of the season and have it affect your stats, but it's another thing when you don't get the playing time you deserve and get stuck in a bench role, not to mention having little to no plays run for you to make plays when you're getting your act together affecting your stats. Brown has shown flashes of last year's playoff run when he was given a longer leash by Brad Stevens in the second half of the season, such as the loss against Charlotte that was ruined due to the team refusing to go back to Brown, who was tearing it up that game. When you look past such circumstances, you'll likely see a young wing who has improved every season and still has a lot of room to grow as a player, instead of a stagnating youngster who has a lack of desire and ability to develop into a star.

All in all, I don't see why is the board so down on a 23 year old wing who has shown that he can perform on the biggest stage of the game and has shown that run was not a fluke whenever the team gives him the opportunity to shine. He does have concerns, but his strengths are often overlooked and ignored, and I feel that we should be more optimistic on him if we are going to believe that Tatum is a future superstar and Hayward will bounce back to Utah Hayward next season. I'm all in for giving him and Tatum the reins of the team in the future.
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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2019, 06:28:46 AM »

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Add to that the unreasonable optimism regarding other players and you have the safest path to the nuthouse

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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2019, 06:35:04 AM »

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Add to that the unreasonable optimism regarding other players and you have the safest path to the nuthouse
Absolutely. The optimism for Tatum, Hayward, Langford, etc compared to the pessimism for Brown is pretty nutty.
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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2019, 06:41:49 AM »

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I love brown amd firmly believe that he and tatum are the both the path forward.

They are to be placed above everyone else until they consistantly prove otherwise.


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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2019, 07:06:35 AM »

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The only thing that concerns me with Brown, is the report in the Jackie McMullen article about that road trip in Miami where the Celtics had a back to back and Kyrie was upset that some of the young players wanted to go out bar hopping after a long late flight and a game the next day.  This right before Jaylens indirect comments towards Kyrie in the media

Follow that up with these random, sometimes immature, posts on Jaylens Instagram/Twitter lately that are being posted at 2 and 3am.

It makes me wonder how focused he is sometimes, or at the very least, lacks common sense on occasion.
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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2019, 07:25:49 AM »

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Brown has exceed my expectations.  However he's going into the last year of his rookie contract and I don't think he's done enough yet to justify a 25%Max contract which he might get offered. 

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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2019, 07:33:22 AM »

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I wouldnt offer a max contract to him..what u see is what u going to get from him
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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2019, 07:34:38 AM »

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Brown has a lot of Kyrie in him with the psedudo intellectual talks, vague social media quotes and the love of attention.

Can't question his work ethic or desire to get better. By all accounts he's a gym rat.

I think we'll learn about him this season.

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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2019, 07:37:37 AM »

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The only thing that concerns me with Brown, is the report in the Jackie McMullen article about that road trip in Miami where the Celtics had a back to back and Kyrie was upset that some of the young players wanted to go out bar hopping after a long late flight and a game the next day.  This right before Jaylens indirect comments towards Kyrie in the media

Follow that up with these random, sometimes immature, posts on Jaylens Instagram/Twitter lately that are being posted at 2 and 3am.

It makes me wonder how focused he is sometimes, or at the very least, lacks common sense on occasion.
Any links? That's a bit concerning.
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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2019, 07:56:05 AM »

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I wouldnt offer a max contract to him..what u see is what u going to get from him
Jaylen is definitely getting a max offer sheet from someone. The problem is not that he doesn’t deserve it ... the problem is no one knows whether he deserves it or not

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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2019, 08:03:29 AM »

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I think it is silly, I guess now that Rozier is gone that people want to hate on Brown as a new target.   The dude played well last year and adjusted.

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I wouldnt offer a max contract to him..what u see is what u going to get from him
Jaylen is definitely getting a max offer sheet from someone. The problem is not that he doesn’t deserve it ... the problem is no one knows whether he deserves it or not
Is he?  Not many teams will have cap space next summer and I'm not sure he is better than someone like Brogdon who didn't get anywhere near a max contract in the much better market that was this summer. 
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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2019, 08:21:49 AM »

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The only thing that concerns me with Brown, is the report in the Jackie McMullen article about that road trip in Miami where the Celtics had a back to back and Kyrie was upset that some of the young players wanted to go out bar hopping after a long late flight and a game the next day.  This right before Jaylens indirect comments towards Kyrie in the media

Follow that up with these random, sometimes immature, posts on Jaylens Instagram/Twitter lately that are being posted at 2 and 3am.

It makes me wonder how focused he is sometimes, or at the very least, lacks common sense on occasion.

I just read his Instagram and Twitter pages. I have no idea what you are talking about. They are classy, thoughtful and inspirational.

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« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2019, 08:39:14 AM »

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The only thing that concerns me with Brown, is the report in the Jackie McMullen article about that road trip in Miami where the Celtics had a back to back and Kyrie was upset that some of the young players wanted to go out bar hopping after a long late flight and a game the next day.  This right before Jaylens indirect comments towards Kyrie in the media

Follow that up with these random, sometimes immature, posts on Jaylens Instagram/Twitter lately that are being posted at 2 and 3am.

It makes me wonder how focused he is sometimes, or at the very least, lacks common sense on occasion.

First, you don’t know if Brown was one of the young guys he was referring to.
Second, while I’m not really aware of the the posts he’s made, but a 22 year old man being up at 2am during the off season is no concern to me.

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« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2019, 08:39:28 AM »

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I wouldnt offer a max contract to him..what u see is what u going to get from him
Jaylen is definitely getting a max offer sheet from someone. The problem is not that he doesn’t deserve it ... the problem is no one knows whether he deserves it or not
Is he?  Not many teams will have cap space next summer and I'm not sure he is better than someone like Brogdon who didn't get anywhere near a max contract in the much better market that was this summer.

I must have missed the part where Brogdon was in trade talks for Kawhi Leonard.

OP’s point is real. Just the other day I stumbled upon this gem
https://www.nbadraft.net/forum/2016-lottery-redraft

Anyone who puts Caris LeVert over Brown should get a CT of the head. Talk about the most overrated garbage time hero in the NBA. He wouldn’t make the standard rotation on last years Celtics team.