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Re: Celtics Roster Rotation (7/1)
« Reply #135 on: July 02, 2019, 12:52:36 PM »

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I can see Kemba/Brown/Tatum/Hayward/Kanter being the starting group all year. Stevens will still have Hayward playing a ton of minutes with the bench.

Hayward probably is first to bench at 9 minutes left in 1st and 3rd quarter then comes back in after a 6 minute rest and comes in when Kemba sits to run the 2nd team offense. Then sits a few minutes after a 9 minute run and comes back to play the last 3 minutes of the half and game with the starters. That gives him 30 minutes a game but 18 of those minutes being the main facilitator for the bench.

That way Hayward has a higher value because he is a starter even if playing most of his minutes with the bench. There is no need for him, Tatum or Brown to come off the bench. Let them be considered starters but use a proper rotation to keep Hayward playing the point forward position for the bench crew.
That is probably the best we can do with the current roster, although I would pair up for those splits between Walker, Brown, Tatum and Hayward, and almost always have two in the game. I'm not sure which pairs would work together best, but that could be determined with a little experimentation. Probably would guess Hayward and Brown together would work well. Bottom line is that those four guys get enough shots consistently. We want 75 points a game from those four.



Re: Celtics Roster Rotation (7/1)
« Reply #136 on: July 02, 2019, 12:52:42 PM »

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Thought I’d map out our current roster just to see how good or bad our roster is right now:

STARTERS
5 Robert Williams
4 Gordon Hayward
3 Jayson Tatum
2 Marcus Smart
1 Kemba Walker

BENCH
1st big: Grant Williams
1st swing: Jaylen Brown
1st playmaker: Carson Edwards
Utility: Semi Ojeleye

GARBAGE TIME
Guerschon Yabusele
Romeo Langford
Tremont Waters

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VERDICT:
As a lot on this board have stated, we have a really bad rotation up front. Timelord and Williams as our best options? Yikes! Also, I didn’t realize that the backup playmaker slot was a lot weaker than I thought.

A consolidation trade needs to happen. Marcus Smart and Jaylen Brown for Bradley Beal or CJ McCollum. We need to reduce the number of guys who need shots. Marcus and Jaylen take a lot of shots. I would love to see

R. Williams
Hayward
Tatum
Beal or McCollum
Kemba

Kanter
G. Williams
Ojeleye
Langford
C. Edwards

How does Marcus take a lot of shots? Iirc, Smart was behind Kyrie, Tatum, Horford, Brown, Rozier, Morris, and Hayward in terms of shots. That means among our rotation guys, he only shot the ball more than...Baynes?
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Re: Celtics Roster Rotation (7/1)
« Reply #137 on: July 02, 2019, 01:01:47 PM »

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Starting

C- Kanter
F- Hayward
F- Tatum
G- Brown
G- Walker

Bench

C- Poirier/Robert Williams
F- Grant Williams/Robert Williams
F- Semi
G- Smart
G- Edwards

Re: Celtics Roster Rotation (7/1)
« Reply #138 on: July 02, 2019, 01:24:49 PM »

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Count me as worried about this team.

We are reconstructing the failed roles from last year. Kemba will move the ball more, and play more like Isaiah did than how Kyrie played, but he's still going to take the same number of shots. Even Kantner, who is nowhere near the player Horford is, will nonetheless probably take about the same number of shots.

The franchise will only go as far as Brown and Tatum take them, and the priority should be to carve out the necessary roles for them before anything else.

I fully expect Kemba to be the adult Kyrie never was, and adapt his style some to the team's needs. I thought it would be possible to start Brown, Tatum and Hayward, but we would have needed a 3 and D point guard taking 10-12 shots for that to work. Smart might have worked out. With Kemba, we will need to spread the minutes of the three wings out over the entire game, or there will not be enough shots.

We won't have Rozier, and we better not get Morris back, but that isn't enough to sort out the starters roles.

We'll see if Stevens has learned enough from last year to make this work. I find it annoying that Ainge looks like he hasn't learned anything.

Agree completely with bolded.   Brown and Tatum both must start.  Until one of Brown, Tatum or Hayward are traded for a Danny-level (excellent) return (big man one hopes). 

I do think we can be patient if solving wing logjam through trade.  But I'm also okay keeping Hayward off the bench for the rest of his C's contract.  The salary thing is not a big deal at all due to the injury. (I mean the normal not bringing such a high cost player off the bench...is out the window....injury plus Tatum and Brown = bench super 6th man role for Hayward (in my humble opinion that's the best way to use him for the good of the team).
If they are hoping to trade Hayward, having him start and featuring him on offense is the best way to raise his value. Keeping him on the bench brings his value down.

I don't think Hayward will be traded.  He is buddies with Kemba.  And other reasons. 

If solving wing logjam with a trade, it'll be one of Smart, Brown or Tatum headed out. 

If Hayward has to start for whatever reason, then I'd bring Tatum off the bench and do the following:

Walker, Smart, Edwards
Brown, Smart, Langford
Hayward, Tatum, Semi
G. Williams, Tatum, Semi
Kanter (or best defender big on team)
Benching Tatum for G Will would be crazy, and I love Grant.

As Nick says, start all 3 wings, and bench Hayward early. Plus, we need a good passer in the starting lineup to offset Horford's departure

Yes you and Nick are surely right.  I like the extra poundage of G Williams starting, considering he is also called a top shelf IQ with excellent passing.  But he's probably too young to just hand a starting spot. 

I think eventually he's kind of perfect there at PF as a starter.  Starting one of Hayward or Tatum longterm at PF doesn't seem wise to me.  Unless maybe next to a center like Steven Adams or Jokic or Tacko (a bigger Jokic...I kid).

I want to see Tatum with a high IQ to start the year.  If not, no problem with
Kemba
Brown
Hayward
G. Williams
Kanter/Poirier/R. Williams

He'd get himself back to starting before too long....he has forever.

Re: Celtics Roster Rotation (7/1)
« Reply #139 on: July 02, 2019, 01:29:22 PM »

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Starting

C- Kanter
F- Hayward
F- Tatum
G- Brown
G- Walker

Bench

C- Poirier/Robert Williams
F- Grant Williams/Robert Williams
F- Semi
G- Smart
G- Edwards

Correct. Anyone who thinks we aren't starting Tatum, Hayward or Brown has to be kidding themselves.
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Re: Celtics Roster Rotation (7/1)
« Reply #140 on: July 02, 2019, 01:38:40 PM »

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Starting

C- Kanter
F- Hayward
F- Tatum
G- Brown
G- Walker

Bench

C- Poirier/Robert Williams
F- Grant Williams/Robert Williams
F- Semi
G- Smart
G- Edwards

Correct. Anyone who thinks we aren't starting Tatum, Hayward or Brown has to be kidding themselves.

exactly

try to bring Brown off the bench again, and he will walk

Hayward should only start though if he is back to his former self

Re: Celtics Roster Rotation (7/1)
« Reply #141 on: July 02, 2019, 01:47:29 PM »

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Starting

C- Kanter
F- Hayward
F- Tatum
G- Brown
G- Walker

Bench

C- Poirier/Robert Williams
F- Grant Williams/Robert Williams
F- Semi
G- Smart
G- Edwards

Correct. Anyone who thinks we aren't starting Tatum, Hayward or Brown has to be kidding themselves.

Amen

Re: Celtics Roster Rotation (7/1)
« Reply #142 on: July 02, 2019, 01:59:26 PM »

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Starting

C- Kanter
F- Hayward
F- Tatum
G- Brown
G- Walker

Bench

C- Poirier/Robert Williams
F- Grant Williams/Robert Williams
F- Semi
G- Smart
G- Edwards

Correct. Anyone who thinks we aren't starting Tatum, Hayward or Brown has to be kidding themselves.
Roles for the key guys are clearly established to start the season. They've learned from their mistakes...lol

Re: Celtics Roster Rotation (7/1)
« Reply #143 on: July 02, 2019, 02:04:22 PM »

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Starting

C- Kanter
F- Hayward
F- Tatum
G- Brown
G- Walker

Bench

C- Poirier/Robert Williams
F- Grant Williams/Robert Williams
F- Semi
G- Smart
G- Edwards
who going score off the bench?
C/PF-Horford, Baynes, Noel, Theis, Morris,
SF/SG- Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Smart, Semi, Clark
PG- Irving, Rozier, Larkin

Re: Celtics Roster Rotation (7/1)
« Reply #144 on: July 02, 2019, 02:12:51 PM »

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Barring any major changes, it looks like Grant Williams will have every opportunity to carve out a large role on the team.  He's the only player who qualifies as a true Power Forward.  I don't think it's hyperbole to suggest that he has one of the most versatile skill sets on the entire roster.  Let's hope that it translates quickly,

Re: Celtics Roster Rotation (7/1)
« Reply #145 on: July 02, 2019, 02:19:03 PM »

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Barring any major changes, it looks like Grant Williams will have every opportunity to carve out a large role on the team.  He's the only player who qualifies as a true Power Forward.  I don't think it's hyperbole to suggest that he has one of the most versatile skill sets on the entire roster.  Let's hope that it translates quickly,

I think the Poirier and Kanter signings give Theis an opportunity to play a few minutes at PF. Grant Williams may very well impress - he is seemingly being given every opportunity to - but I would not be surprised to see Theis ahead of him on the depth chart to start the season...and Tatum/Hayward starting ahead of them at both Forward spots.

Re: Celtics Roster Rotation (7/1)
« Reply #146 on: July 02, 2019, 02:34:06 PM »

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Barring any major changes, it looks like Grant Williams will have every opportunity to carve out a large role on the team.  He's the only player who qualifies as a true Power Forward.  I don't think it's hyperbole to suggest that he has one of the most versatile skill sets on the entire roster.  Let's hope that it translates quickly,

I think the Poirier and Kanter signings give Theis an opportunity to play a few minutes at PF. Grant Williams may very well impress - he is seemingly being given every opportunity to - but I would not be surprised to see Theis ahead of him on the depth chart to start the season...and Tatum/Hayward starting ahead of them at both Forward spots.

I hope that Theis can do that. He reminds me of a poor man's Siakim, same height and length. Just not as aggressive or as quick. 

The fact the Celtics were willing to spend $5 mm for 2 years for Theis shows they like him, or at least want to be able to use his contract for a trade down the road.

Re: Celtics Roster Rotation (7/1)
« Reply #147 on: July 02, 2019, 02:51:32 PM »

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Barring any major changes, it looks like Grant Williams will have every opportunity to carve out a large role on the team.  He's the only player who qualifies as a true Power Forward.  I don't think it's hyperbole to suggest that he has one of the most versatile skill sets on the entire roster.  Let's hope that it translates quickly,

I love how this undersized PF, late first round rookie is already a major rotation player on the team! He hasn't even had a chance to fail in summer league yet and people have him as "the man"! I need to do more drugs! ::)

Re: Celtics Roster Rotation (7/1)
« Reply #148 on: July 02, 2019, 03:00:38 PM »

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Barring any major changes, it looks like Grant Williams will have every opportunity to carve out a large role on the team.  He's the only player who qualifies as a true Power Forward.  I don't think it's hyperbole to suggest that he has one of the most versatile skill sets on the entire roster.  Let's hope that it translates quickly,

I love how this undersized PF, late first round rookie is already a major rotation player on the team! He hasn't even had a chance to fail in summer league yet and people have him as "the man"! I need to do more drugs! ::)

You missed a key word in my post, that being "opportunity".  The team doesn't have a power forward with a versatile skill set.  I also closed my post by saying "let's hope it translates quickly", meaning that I'm not convinced he will be ready to contribute right away.

Are you telling me that there's no way he can earn significant minutes if he impresses during training camp and pre-season?  I suppose I shouldn't make the same mistake again, so I will define "significant" minutes as 15+.  Is that completely far-fetched given the current roster construction? 

Re: Celtics Roster Rotation (7/1)
« Reply #149 on: July 02, 2019, 03:02:45 PM »

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No true stretch 4s so roster is still unbalanced.

Look what Bleacher Report suggests:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2843625-5-blockbuster-trade-ideas-early-in-nba-free-agency#slide3