Celtics Roster Rotation (7/1)

[boscel33]

Hey, are we waiting for 7/6 to change the site picture?

[jambr380]

Hey, are we waiting for 7/6 to change the site picture?

I keep seeing people refer to the site picture, but have no idea what they are talking about. I have a giant black block on the top of my web browser both on my PC and iPhone - is there supposed to be [an outdated] picture there, or something?

[boscel33]

This link takes you to the main page:  https://www.celticsstrong.com/

[Fafnir]

Kemba (30 mins) - Smart (30) - Edwards (8 )
Brown (32)- Langford (16) - vet min
Hayward (28) - Semi - vet min
Tatum (32) - G. Williams (16) - Yabu
Kanter (26) - vet min big (14) - R. Williams (8 )

(or something along these lines)

That looks pretty reasonable.  I wish DA could have packaged Yabu + some picks to get a better backup big.

Uh guys, we don't have a surplus of picks anymore.

We just have the Bucks and the Memphis pick, a fake ATL second rounder (only if 56-60), and our own.

Could have = past tense
We had a bunch of picks in this years draft.  Ie just a few days ago. And no I wasn’t suggesting trading the Memphis pick either.

Until we had Kemba locked in its hard to make a secondary move like that. You can't agree to take on any additional money and for all Ainge knew the best FA he could have gotten might have been Vuc.

[jambr380]

This link takes you to the main page:  https://www.celticsstrong.com/

Oh, okay - tp for that. I think I remember that page when the site first switched over to CS - it's definitely an attractive welcome to the site. I just have the forums on my shortcuts and completely forgot that there was a main page. I am not even sure there is a way to get back to that page once you are in the forums section.

[td450]

Count me as worried about this team.

We are reconstructing the failed roles from last year. Kemba will move the ball more, and play more like Isaiah did than how Kyrie played, but he's still going to take the same number of shots. Even Kantner, who is nowhere near the player Horford is, will nonetheless probably take about the same number of shots.

The franchise will only go as far as Brown and Tatum take them, and the priority should be to carve out the necessary roles for them before anything else.

I fully expect Kemba to be the adult Kyrie never was, and adapt his style some to the team's needs. I thought it would be possible to start Brown, Tatum and Hayward, but we would have needed a 3 and D point guard taking 10-12 shots for that to work. Smart might have worked out. With Kemba, we will need to spread the minutes of the three wings out over the entire game, or there will not be enough shots.

We won't have Rozier, and we better not get Morris back, but that isn't enough to sort out the starters roles.

We'll see if Stevens has learned enough from last year to make this work. I find it annoying that Ainge looks like he hasn't learned anything.

[gpap]

Count me as worried about this team.

We are reconstructing the failed roles from last year. Kemba will move the ball more, and play more like Isaiah did than how Kyrie played, but he's still going to take the same number of shots. Even Kantner, who is nowhere near the player Horford is, will nonetheless probably take about the same number of shots.

The franchise will only go as far as Brown and Tatum take them, and the priority should be to carve out the necessary roles for them before anything else.

I fully expect Kemba to be the adult Kyrie never was, and adapt his style some to the team's needs. I thought it would be possible to start Brown, Tatum and Hayward, but we would have needed a 3 and D point guard taking 10-12 shots for that to work. Smart might have worked out. With Kemba, we will need to spread the minutes of the three wings out over the entire game, or there will not be enough shots.

We won't have Rozier, and we better not get Morris back, but that isn't enough to sort out the starters roles.

We'll see if Stevens has learned enough from last year to make this work. I find it annoying that Ainge looks like he hasn't learned anything.

No..it's a team sports everyone.

The team will go as far as the team plays as a whole.

Why does this always have to be about Brown and Tatum? Brown might not even be back here next year.

[footey]

Key: Brown, Tatum and Hayward need to be on the same page.  They need to have open communication. They need to be supportive of each other. They need to put the team first. They need to not give a hoot about stats. 

Brown and/or Tatum need to cut off the narrative that Hayward is coach's pet. 

Hayward needs to get out of his shell. He is too shy. He needs to hang out with his brothers more. 

Watch KG's interview with Kevin McHale talking about what made that team so special. It was from the first practice, they all went out to eat together, hang out. He said he knew right there, no one was going to break their bond.

[td450]

Count me as worried about this team.

We are reconstructing the failed roles from last year. Kemba will move the ball more, and play more like Isaiah did than how Kyrie played, but he's still going to take the same number of shots. Even Kantner, who is nowhere near the player Horford is, will nonetheless probably take about the same number of shots.

The franchise will only go as far as Brown and Tatum take them, and the priority should be to carve out the necessary roles for them before anything else.

I fully expect Kemba to be the adult Kyrie never was, and adapt his style some to the team's needs. I thought it would be possible to start Brown, Tatum and Hayward, but we would have needed a 3 and D point guard taking 10-12 shots for that to work. Smart might have worked out. With Kemba, we will need to spread the minutes of the three wings out over the entire game, or there will not be enough shots.

We won't have Rozier, and we better not get Morris back, but that isn't enough to sort out the starters roles.

We'll see if Stevens has learned enough from last year to make this work. I find it annoying that Ainge looks like he hasn't learned anything.

No..it's a team sports everyone.

The team will go as far as the team plays as a whole.

Why does this always have to be about Brown and Tatum? Brown might not even be back here next year.

While it is true that the team's overall play is what matters, a couple of other things are also true.

Long term, the team won't keep Brown Tatum and Hayward. Someone will be traded by next offseason, and the probability is it will be Hayward.

And Brown and Tatum represent the biggest opportunities for team advancement. They are our most valuable talents and are at the ages where you start to see large increases in productivity. If they both average 18+ per game, the franchise has a lot of options. If they do not advance, we are just another team in the middle of the pack.

Sure, there are other things that could happen. A rookie could break out. Or Robert Williams could turn out to be effective. But the straightest line to contention is for Tatum and /or Brown to become all-stars. Most of our other options are moon shots.

[td450]

No..it's a team sports everyone.

The team will go as far as the team plays as a whole.

Why does this always have to be about Brown and Tatum? Brown might not even be back here next year.

One other point. Tatum and Hayward both really have to be small forwards. Neither guy is a power forward, and neither guy can cover shooting guards full time either.

Brown is the player who can play 3 different positions. He's the complimentary player. If we trade Brown, we still have a problem playing Hayward and Tatum at the same time.

The clearest scenario is to let Hayward rehab his reputation, then trade him.

[LilRip]

With Kanter now our best big and likely a lock for the starting lineup, I can’t imagine not starting Smart. I know people want to start brown but realistically, between Kemba, Tatum, Hayward and now Kanter (who will get his fair share of shots), how will there be enough shots to go around?

[alt]

With Kanter now our best big and likely a lock for the starting lineup, I can’t imagine not starting Smart. I know people want to start brown but realistically, between Kemba, Tatum, Hayward and now Kanter (who will get his fair share of shots), how will there be enough shots to go around?

Plus defense. That's a very weak defensive line-up. Brown and especially Tatum will really need to step up their defensive performance.

Plus passing and ball movement.

Even shooting will be far from ideal, even though in that regards the improvement Smart brings will be negligible at best.

[Jamilmac99]

Unless Brown and Tatum take the next step and are both averaging around 20ppg or more I see this as around a 43-44 win team maybe a 6-8 seed in the East. The defense on this team might be atrocious. I'd plan on seeing many teams put up 115+ on a nightly basis. Losing Horford was a major blow defensively. The other X-factor is if Hayward can really come back strong. Now if that happens possibly they can be a 4-5 seed but I'm really having problems with the lack of size and really lack of defense everywhere except for Marcus Smart. Level of concern is a 7.8 out of 10.

[TheSundanceKid]

With Kanter now our best big and likely a lock for the starting lineup, I can’t imagine not starting Smart. I know people want to start brown but realistically, between Kemba, Tatum, Hayward and now Kanter (who will get his fair share of shots), how will there be enough shots to go around?

I think you start with Kemba-Brown-Tatum-Hayward-Kanter but you sub Smart in for Brown at the 5/6 minute mark. You could also swap Hayward out for Grant Williams/Theis at the same time. Then you stagger them from there.

The reason I think we would do this is to start well offensively in games, something that we historically struggle with. I think in that lineup, Kemba and Hayward facilitate the ball and Brown continues as a spot up shooter / slasher. Then later in the game as the roles stagger Brown gets more opportunities with the ball in hand.

[Spicoli]

Thought I’d map out our current roster just to see how good or bad our roster is right now:

STARTERS
5 Robert Williams
4 Gordon Hayward
3 Jayson Tatum
2 Marcus Smart
1 Kemba Walker

BENCH
1st big: Grant Williams
1st swing: Jaylen Brown
1st playmaker: Carson Edwards
Utility: Semi Ojeleye

GARBAGE TIME
Guerschon Yabusele
Romeo Langford
Tremont Waters

*****
VERDICT:
As a lot on this board have stated, we have a really bad rotation up front. Timelord and Williams as our best options? Yikes! Also, I didn’t realize that the backup playmaker slot was a lot weaker than I thought.

A consolidation trade needs to happen. Marcus Smart and Jaylen Brown for Bradley Beal or CJ McCollum. We need to reduce the number of guys who need shots. Marcus and Jaylen take a lot of shots. I would love to see

R. Williams
Hayward
Tatum
Beal or McCollum
Kemba

Kanter
G. Williams
Ojeleye
Langford
C. Edwards