Kawhi AND Paul George to...Clippers:WOJ(merged threads)

[W8ting2McHale]

Kawhi wanted to play for Doc. I wonder how all the Doc Rivers bashers from days gone by feel about that?

[SHAQATTACK]

Awesome. They’ll be a great pairing together in LAC, abd a fun team to root for against LAL. That’s a hell of a haul to pay for George, though.

Was a lot .....but they got two fairly young stars in their prime.  Nets gave  us nearly as much for several pretty much washed up star players .Would have loved to,have had KG and Allen at 29-30 yrs old each ..LOL

So the Nets still have the record for,over paying IMO .   

[mctyson]

Wow just read this. The best outcome from Celtics POV.

The league will be so exciting to watch next season.

Kawhi is one different cat. For sure thought he’d want to team up with AD.

This was absolutely huge for the Celtics. 

In the East:  Toronto is not a threat now.  Milwaukee has not really improved.  Brooklyn will not be a threat until if/when Durant returns to normal.  Indiana will be better - but how much?  Philly looks like the biggest challenge, literally, but I consider the Celtics equal to them in terms of talent.

The Cs could be a #2 seed for sure.

There are now multiple teams staring at a top-heavy Western Conference...I have to imagine that Westbrook will be moved.  What about Harden?  What about GSW?

[NKY fan]

This from clipsnation:

This is the biggest day for the Clippers since DTS was forced to sell to Mr. Ballmer

It is better to take intangible first draft picks and cash them into a known valuable commodity like winning players like KL and PG — that’s something that you can convert into hopefully winning.
Look at Boston — Danny Ainge carefully collected all of those draft picks (esp. most from that ridiculous trade with the Nets), but they didn’t maximize the assets that they collected.
Yes, I know that AD refused to sign with Boston, and KL actively recruited PG, but for these blockbuster trades to work — need all the stars to be in alignment.
This is the biggest and greatest day for us fans!
BTW — I’m no longer bitter at Elton Brand for not signing us. All is forgiven and forgotten. The Basketball Gods have smiled upon us.
KL lead us to the Promised Land of an NBA Championship!

Posted  by dhpat  on Jul 6, 2019 | 8:09 AM
Spot on regarding Ainge

He accumulated all those draft assets and they didn’t amount to Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. for him. As GM u need to know when it is time to cash in.

Posted  by jpo805  on Jul 6, 2019 | 8:45 AM

[dang] every time other teams make a big move some of their cans take shots at danny

[mctyson]

Wild. Woj said Toronto was given a chance to trade for PG13 as well, maybe even including Westbrook. Toronto refuses to give up Siakim.

I am sure it was Siakim and 7 1st rounders too...my guess is the latter was an issue.

[chiken]

The sad thing is that we could have had George and kawhi teaming here plus possibly Kyrie and Horford or even butler ... their prices were that low the last 2/3 summers...
but Danny was in love with Hayward and the Js ... such a waste of assets by the man that always make the “right” move

where did you read that either of those players had the slightest interest in playing for boston?

Butler was definitely intersted in coming here before he got moved to Minnesota. With George and butler for a year it’s likely that George decides to stay.

You are forgetting that PG made it abundantly clear that he wanted to be in LA - where he was from...  The only thing that kept him from being a Laker was LA treating him like a step kid (they were waiting to see what happened with Leanard with the spurs - That cost them PG...)
Now PG is in LA with KL...  It was going to happen...   He was not staying in Boston..

[CelticsElite]

The sad thing is that we could have had George and kawhi teaming here plus possibly Kyrie and Horford or even butler ... their prices were that low the last 2/3 summers...
but Danny was in love with Hayward and the Js ... such a waste of assets by the man that always make the “right” move

How? George told the NBA teams "don't trade for me. I'm going to LA.."
Kahwi said the same thing. Fast forward to now and you have 2 teams who did the gamble trade and it didn't pay off

I think it did pay off, but in different ways. Toronto got their 1st championship ever and the Thunder got a giant haul

you think they're completely content and happy getting 1 championship ? Now theyre in the abyss for a long long time.

And having a bunch of draft picks from a team that will be the #1 seed in the west in the next decade isnt the most amazing haul for a superstar

[slamtheking]

The sad thing is that we could have had George and kawhi teaming here plus possibly Kyrie and Horford or even butler ... their prices were that low the last 2/3 summers...
but Danny was in love with Hayward and the Js ... such a waste of assets by the man that always make the “right” move

How? George told the NBA teams "don't trade for me. I'm going to LA.."
Kahwi said the same thing. Fast forward to now and you have 2 teams who did the gamble trade and it didn't pay off

I think it did pay off, but in different ways. Toronto got their 1st championship ever and the Thunder got a giant haul

you think they're completely content and happy getting 1 championship ? Now theyre in the abyss for a long long time.

And having a bunch of draft picks from a team that will be the #1 seed in the west in the next decade isnt the most amazing haul for a superstar

have to agree.  If Toronto is happy with just that one championship, then good for them.  they're now going to be mediocre for quite a while.  OKC is backsliding badly with that trade -- those first rounders won't be worth much since they figure to be late picks.

For the C's, it's a positive step that Toronto is no longer a real threat.  Milwaukee lost Brogdon so that hurts even though they still have Giannis.  even though Philly lost some of it's players, including Butler, they did get Al who will figure to have a very positive impact on that team's ability to learn how to win.

If the C's had somehow managed to keep Al while getting Kemba, I'd say they would have been the favorites in the East next year, now, I think they'll be 3rd seed behind Milwaukee and possibly Philly.  Indy will be close as well.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

This from clipsnation:

This is the biggest day for the Clippers since DTS was forced to sell to Mr. Ballmer

It is better to take intangible first draft picks and cash them into a known valuable commodity like winning players like KL and PG — that’s something that you can convert into hopefully winning.
Look at Boston — Danny Ainge carefully collected all of those draft picks (esp. most from that ridiculous trade with the Nets), but they didn’t maximize the assets that they collected.
Yes, I know that AD refused to sign with Boston, and KL actively recruited PG, but for these blockbuster trades to work — need all the stars to be in alignment.
This is the biggest and greatest day for us fans!
BTW — I’m no longer bitter at Elton Brand for not signing us. All is forgiven and forgotten. The Basketball Gods have smiled upon us.
KL lead us to the Promised Land of an NBA Championship!

Posted  by dhpat  on Jul 6, 2019 | 8:09 AM
Spot on regarding Ainge

He accumulated all those draft assets and they didn’t amount to **** for him. As GM u need to know when it is time to cash in.

Posted  by jpo805  on Jul 6, 2019 | 8:45 AM

[dang] every time other teams make a big move some of their cans take shots at danny

Well, these fans may be correct in what they're saying about Ainge. We have to wait to see what Tatum and Brown become, but Danny's plan to use his "warchest" of assets to land a superstar for sure failed.

[Rondo9]

This from clipsnation:

This is the biggest day for the Clippers since DTS was forced to sell to Mr. Ballmer

It is better to take intangible first draft picks and cash them into a known valuable commodity like winning players like KL and PG — that’s something that you can convert into hopefully winning.
Look at Boston — Danny Ainge carefully collected all of those draft picks (esp. most from that ridiculous trade with the Nets), but they didn’t maximize the assets that they collected.
Yes, I know that AD refused to sign with Boston, and KL actively recruited PG, but for these blockbuster trades to work — need all the stars to be in alignment.
This is the biggest and greatest day for us fans!
BTW — I’m no longer bitter at Elton Brand for not signing us. All is forgiven and forgotten. The Basketball Gods have smiled upon us.
KL lead us to the Promised Land of an NBA Championship!

Posted  by dhpat  on Jul 6, 2019 | 8:09 AM
Spot on regarding Ainge

He accumulated all those draft assets and they didn’t amount to **** for him. As GM u need to know when it is time to cash in.

Posted  by jpo805  on Jul 6, 2019 | 8:45 AM

[dang] every time other teams make a big move some of their cans take shots at danny

Well, these fans may be correct in what they're saying about Ainge. We have to wait to see what Tatum and Brown become, but Danny's plan to use his "warchest" of assets to land a superstar for sure failed.

How? Kyrie was leaving and Davis wasn't interested but they're still good right now. I don't think the fans really knew or don't want to know the circumstance.

[GetLucky]

This from clipsnation:

This is the biggest day for the Clippers since DTS was forced to sell to Mr. Ballmer

It is better to take intangible first draft picks and cash them into a known valuable commodity like winning players like KL and PG — that’s something that you can convert into hopefully winning.
Look at Boston — Danny Ainge carefully collected all of those draft picks (esp. most from that ridiculous trade with the Nets), but they didn’t maximize the assets that they collected.
Yes, I know that AD refused to sign with Boston, and KL actively recruited PG, but for these blockbuster trades to work — need all the stars to be in alignment.
This is the biggest and greatest day for us fans!
BTW — I’m no longer bitter at Elton Brand for not signing us. All is forgiven and forgotten. The Basketball Gods have smiled upon us.
KL lead us to the Promised Land of an NBA Championship!

Posted  by dhpat  on Jul 6, 2019 | 8:09 AM
Spot on regarding Ainge

He accumulated all those draft assets and they didn’t amount to **** for him. As GM u need to know when it is time to cash in.

Posted  by jpo805  on Jul 6, 2019 | 8:45 AM

[dang] every time other teams make a big move some of their cans take shots at danny

Well, these fans may be correct in what they're saying about Ainge. We have to wait to see what Tatum and Brown become, but Danny's plan to use his "warchest" of assets to land a superstar for sure failed.

How? Kyrie was leaving and Davis wasn't interested but they're still good right now. I don't think the fans really knew or don't want to know the circumstance.

I guess we should have "cashed in" for Kawhi, George, or Buter, all of whom have left the teams that "cashed in" to get them in the first place (Butler twice!)

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

This from clipsnation:

This is the biggest day for the Clippers since DTS was forced to sell to Mr. Ballmer

It is better to take intangible first draft picks and cash them into a known valuable commodity like winning players like KL and PG — that’s something that you can convert into hopefully winning.
Look at Boston — Danny Ainge carefully collected all of those draft picks (esp. most from that ridiculous trade with the Nets), but they didn’t maximize the assets that they collected.
Yes, I know that AD refused to sign with Boston, and KL actively recruited PG, but for these blockbuster trades to work — need all the stars to be in alignment.
This is the biggest and greatest day for us fans!
BTW — I’m no longer bitter at Elton Brand for not signing us. All is forgiven and forgotten. The Basketball Gods have smiled upon us.
KL lead us to the Promised Land of an NBA Championship!

Posted  by dhpat  on Jul 6, 2019 | 8:09 AM
Spot on regarding Ainge

He accumulated all those draft assets and they didn’t amount to **** for him. As GM u need to know when it is time to cash in.

Posted  by jpo805  on Jul 6, 2019 | 8:45 AM

[dang] every time other teams make a big move some of their cans take shots at danny

Well, these fans may be correct in what they're saying about Ainge. We have to wait to see what Tatum and Brown become, but Danny's plan to use his "warchest" of assets to land a superstar for sure failed.

How? Kyrie was leaving and Davis wasn't interested but they're still good right now. I don't think the fans really knew or don't want to know the circumstance.

I guess we should have "cashed in" for Kawhi, George, or Buter, all of whom have left the teams that "cashed in" to get them in the first place (Butler twice!)

I'm not commenting one way or another on any of those particular players; all I'm saying is that the narrative for several years (among fans, at least) was "Ainge is accumulating assets in order to acquire a superstar," and he didn't do that—so in that respect, at least, those Clippers fans are correct.

[alt]

This from clipsnation:

This is the biggest day for the Clippers since DTS was forced to sell to Mr. Ballmer

It is better to take intangible first draft picks and cash them into a known valuable commodity like winning players like KL and PG — that’s something that you can convert into hopefully winning.
Look at Boston — Danny Ainge carefully collected all of those draft picks (esp. most from that ridiculous trade with the Nets), but they didn’t maximize the assets that they collected.
Yes, I know that AD refused to sign with Boston, and KL actively recruited PG, but for these blockbuster trades to work — need all the stars to be in alignment.
This is the biggest and greatest day for us fans!
BTW — I’m no longer bitter at Elton Brand for not signing us. All is forgiven and forgotten. The Basketball Gods have smiled upon us.
KL lead us to the Promised Land of an NBA Championship!

Posted  by dhpat  on Jul 6, 2019 | 8:09 AM
Spot on regarding Ainge

He accumulated all those draft assets and they didn’t amount to **** for him. As GM u need to know when it is time to cash in.

Posted  by jpo805  on Jul 6, 2019 | 8:45 AM

[dang] every time other teams make a big move some of their cans take shots at danny

Well, these fans may be correct in what they're saying about Ainge. We have to wait to see what Tatum and Brown become, but Danny's plan to use his "warchest" of assets to land a superstar for sure failed.

How? Kyrie was leaving and Davis wasn't interested but they're still good right now. I don't think the fans really knew or don't want to know the circumstance.

I guess we should have "cashed in" for Kawhi, George, or Buter, all of whom have left the teams that "cashed in" to get them in the first place (Butler twice!)

Do you think Toronto regrets trading for Kawhi because he left them with a championship?

Or OKC regrets trading for Paul George when they left them with 5 unprotected first round picks, plus 2 swaps, plus a good prospect in SGA, plus a good expiring on Gallinari?

[BudweiserCeltic]

This from clipsnation:

This is the biggest day for the Clippers since DTS was forced to sell to Mr. Ballmer

It is better to take intangible first draft picks and cash them into a known valuable commodity like winning players like KL and PG — that’s something that you can convert into hopefully winning.
Look at Boston — Danny Ainge carefully collected all of those draft picks (esp. most from that ridiculous trade with the Nets), but they didn’t maximize the assets that they collected.
Yes, I know that AD refused to sign with Boston, and KL actively recruited PG, but for these blockbuster trades to work — need all the stars to be in alignment.
This is the biggest and greatest day for us fans!
BTW — I’m no longer bitter at Elton Brand for not signing us. All is forgiven and forgotten. The Basketball Gods have smiled upon us.
KL lead us to the Promised Land of an NBA Championship!

Posted  by dhpat  on Jul 6, 2019 | 8:09 AM
Spot on regarding Ainge

He accumulated all those draft assets and they didn’t amount to **** for him. As GM u need to know when it is time to cash in.

Posted  by jpo805  on Jul 6, 2019 | 8:45 AM

[dang] every time other teams make a big move some of their cans take shots at danny

Well, these fans may be correct in what they're saying about Ainge. We have to wait to see what Tatum and Brown become, but Danny's plan to use his "warchest" of assets to land a superstar for sure failed.

How? Kyrie was leaving and Davis wasn't interested but they're still good right now. I don't think the fans really knew or don't want to know the circumstance.

I guess we should have "cashed in" for Kawhi, George, or Buter, all of whom have left the teams that "cashed in" to get them in the first place (Butler twice!)

I'm not commenting one way or another on any of those particular players; all I'm saying is that the narrative for several years (among fans, at least) was "Ainge is accumulating assets in order to acquire a superstar," and he didn't do that—so in that respect, at least, those Clippers fans are correct.

He got Hayward and Horford in free-agency, and did manage to get Kyrie (who left). Other than that, not many superstars are available in the market, particularly ones that are cost effective and wouldn't bolt to LA because they have an attachment to their hometown.

Honestly, with the exception of the 1 year miracle win for Toronto (which had more to do with luck and opposing team injuries than their play), I'm having a hard time finding a supposed superstar that switched teams in recent years and it managed to work out for the receiving team.

Seeing how players are bolting to form Super Teams in whatever team has cap space or screwing every team over in order to play somewhere in California, I'm not THAT trigger happy.

[NKY fan]

The sad thing is that we could have had George and kawhi teaming here plus possibly Kyrie and Horford or even butler ... their prices were that low the last 2/3 summers...
but Danny was in love with Hayward and the Js ... such a waste of assets by the man that always make the “right” move

How? George told the NBA teams "don't trade for me. I'm going to LA.."
Kahwi said the same thing. Fast forward to now and you have 2 teams who did the gamble trade and it didn't pay off

I think it did pay off, but in different ways. Toronto got their 1st championship ever and the Thunder got a giant haul

you think they're completely content and happy getting 1 championship ? Now theyre in the abyss for a long long time.

And having a bunch of draft picks from a team that will be the #1 seed in the west in the next decade isnt the most amazing haul for a superstar

Toronto won a championship so they are fine. They also have $100M of cap space next year.
If I have to compare Toronto vs Boston since 2010 ... Toronto has accomplished a lot more than us and it’s not even close.
If I have to bet on whether us or the raptors will win a title first ... I think it’s even odds.


We are left with the hope of internal development and a rebound from Hayward ... not really much else ... we are this season as 7 of the last 9 seasons in that fringe contender status...
Also once we max jaylen we will be guaranteed to be stuck in that status for another 5.
Some fans actually like that outcome as they can always point to the Atlanta or the Charlottes of the world