Will Kyrie get exposed on the Nets?

[Celtics4ever]

Yeah he was exposed here for a total prima donna.

[RJ87]

He's going to get exposed big time. In his first 3 seasons in Cleveland the Cavs won 21, 24, and 33 games. granted, he was very young, but those records are still pretty horrible in what was a weak Eastern Conference.

He is what he is - an imaginative and efficient ISO scorer that doesn't make his teammates better and is a negative on defense. Add to that his peculiar attitude and I have to question how much he is ultimately bringing to the table.

I think the Nets will be mediocre unless they can bring in a true elite star to pair with him. And even then the odds of an implosion are pretty high.

Agreed.

Don't forget he's soft so avoids contact making it very hard to close out games.

I'd hardly call him soft....

Dude was among the team leaders in taking charges last season.

I know most of us want to see him fail but let's not revise history.

Exactly.  Kyrie is not soft when he is completely engaged.  Many of us gave him the benefit of the doubt because he was playing the right way for the first season and a half in Boston.  I'll be the first to admit that I reserved judgement longer than I should have.  His on court effort remained consistent until after the All-Star break. 

Revisionist history will ignore the fact that Irving was a more well-rounded player for the majority of his tenure in Boston.  The real narrative (IMO) should be that the young guys were entitled and complacent after a surprise ECF Finals run.  Irving did a terrible job of handling their immaturity and it ultimately sank the team.  A passive aggressive approach never works.   

Agreed. I think most people just want to see him fail and have already forgotten the first year and a half he was here. The fact is, he's a 27 year old all-star and all-nba talent that improved his all around play and defensive effort during his time here. He absolutely failed as a leader, there's no question about that, but I don't hate the guy at all. Boston isn't the end all, be all. He might genuinely just enjoy his time in Brooklyn. I hope he does, he's a fun basketball player to watch.

[gouki88]

I feel like his weaknesses of last season will be exposed in a more extreme manner.

His leadership skills will be tested differently with a worse roster, where the buck stops with him. This is especially true if Brooklyn can't get any other star talent, as is rumoured to be the case with Durant because he has a fragile ego. Brooklyn is similarly young, but with less talent (but also, I would assume, less ego).

There will also be worse players to defer to, which he may like. But I think the fact that defences will be trying to beat him up will be bad for him. Once he concedes defeat he becomes a much worse player, and I can see that happening with more regularity in Brooklyn.

[celticinorlando]

I hope KD does not go to the Nets and they are stuck with Kyrie as the lead dog. Disaster.

[Ogaju]

KYRIE is already exposed the question is can he redeem himself on the NETS.

[action781]

Exposed as what?  I'm pretty sure nobody thinks hes a top 10 NBA player.

If we mean exposed as an actually "bad" basketball player that can't even lead a team into the playoffs?  I voted no because I think that's what being exposed would mean.

I think he would also be exposed if Durant joined him, their team was lauded to be a powerhouse, and they failed to be successful together.  I hesitated to vote yes because I think that's a possibility to occur.

If he goes to Brooklyn (without Durant/Kawhi/Butler) and their team gets 40-50 wins and fails to ever advance to an ECF, I think that would be more along my normal range of expectations.

[BringToughnessBack]

KYRIE is already exposed the question is can he redeem himself on the NETS.

Exactly. He is an all-star player and will get his numbers. He will still have the best handle we have seen. Will he grow into a uniter and leader? Time will tell. NY media has the same power if not more to rattle his cage though. Chip on shoulder Kyrie will be a tough out though but being a tough out does not guarantee he brings a young team together.

[BringToughnessBack]

One thing though, if Kyrie can lead Durant to join him in NJ, that will be his best leadership job ever. That would change everything for them and our division. We would then need one of Brown or Tatum to turn into top 5-10 player(possible but in a few years) to have a chance.

If we could not stop Lebron and Kyrie, we sure wont be stopping Durant and Kyrie in the beginning without a big trajectory from our young one’s.

[hwangjini_1]

One thing though, if Kyrie can lead Durant to join him in NJ, that will be his best leadership job ever. That would change everything for them and our division. We would then need one of Brown or Tatum to turn into top 5-10 player(possible but in a few years) to have a chance.

If we could not stop Lebron and Kyrie, we sure wont be stopping Durant and Kyrie in the beginning without a big trajectory from our young one’s.

are there any links for sources for this? or is it speculation and worry?

[BringToughnessBack]

One thing though, if Kyrie can lead Durant to join him in NJ, that will be his best leadership job ever. That would change everything for them and our division. We would then need one of Brown or Tatum to turn into top 5-10 player(possible but in a few years) to have a chance.

If we could not stop Lebron and Kyrie, we sure wont be stopping Durant and Kyrie in the beginning without a big trajectory from our young one’s.

are there any links for sources for this? or is it speculation and worry?

All of the rumors out there that Kyrie continues to recruit Durant to join him. That they had supposedly met twice already while in NY. Google it and you will see tons..could all be bs media but they are friends so it would not be surprising.

Stuff like NY media

Marks has them perfectly positioned as a top-tier free agent destination with nearly $69 million in salary cap room and a talented young core group remaining from a 42-40 playoff team. Multiple NBA sources have indicated to Newsday that point guard Kyrie Irving is a virtual certainty to sign with the Nets, and it could happen quickly because Irving reportedly has been courting forward Kevin Durant and can signal his commitment by agreeing to a maximum-salary deal worth $141 million over four years. 4 hours ago – via Newsday

Six-time All-Star free agent guard Kyrie Irving is meeting with the Brooklyn Nets on Sunday in New York with both sides motivated to reach a deal on a four-year, $141 million maximum contract, league sources told ESPN. Irving, who’s leaving the Boston Celtics, is a part of a bold two-part plan to acquire Irving and All-NBA forward Kevin Durant in free agency, league sources tell ESPN. 16 hours ago – via ESPN

[Ogaju]

One thing though, if Kyrie can lead Durant to join him in NJ, that will be his best leadership job ever. That would change everything for them and our division. We would then need one of Brown or Tatum to turn into top 5-10 player(possible but in a few years) to have a chance.

If we could not stop Lebron and Kyrie, we sure wont be stopping Durant and Kyrie in the beginning without a big trajectory from our young one’s.

Getting Durant to join a team is not leadership. He is one of the softest minded stars in the league. The fact that he is open to being recruited is enough evidence. As arguably the best player in the league Durant should be recruiting players to play with him. The fact that he is not shows just how mentally weak he is.

[gouki88]

One thing though, if Kyrie can lead Durant to join him in NJ, that will be his best leadership job ever. That would change everything for them and our division. We would then need one of Brown or Tatum to turn into top 5-10 player(possible but in a few years) to have a chance.

If we could not stop Lebron and Kyrie, we sure wont be stopping Durant and Kyrie in the beginning without a big trajectory from our young one’s.

are there any links for sources for this? or is it speculation and worry?

All of the rumors out there that Kyrie continues to recruit Durant to join him. That they had supposedly met twice already while in NY. Google it and you will see tons..could all be bs media but they are friends so it would not be surprising.

Stuff like NY media

Marks has them perfectly positioned as a top-tier free agent destination with nearly $69 million in salary cap room and a talented young core group remaining from a 42-40 playoff team. Multiple NBA sources have indicated to Newsday that point guard Kyrie Irving is a virtual certainty to sign with the Nets, and it could happen quickly because Irving reportedly has been courting forward Kevin Durant and can signal his commitment by agreeing to a maximum-salary deal worth $141 million over four years. 4 hours ago – via Newsday

Six-time All-Star free agent guard Kyrie Irving is meeting with the Brooklyn Nets on Sunday in New York with both sides motivated to reach a deal on a four-year, $141 million maximum contract, league sources told ESPN. Irving, who’s leaving the Boston Celtics, is a part of a bold two-part plan to acquire Irving and All-NBA forward Kevin Durant in free agency, league sources tell ESPN. 16 hours ago – via ESPN

It's interesting because Marc Stein recently tweeted:

The Nets have no choice -- they MUST secure a commitment from Kyrie Irving ASAP -- but team officials also know doing a deal with Kyrie first lessens their chances of landing Kevin Durant in one regard: Durant is said to be adamant about making his own call without being lobbied

So it might end up as just Kyrie

[Sketch5]

One thing though, if Kyrie can lead Durant to join him in NJ, that will be his best leadership job ever. That would change everything for them and our division. We would then need one of Brown or Tatum to turn into top 5-10 player(possible but in a few years) to have a chance.

If we could not stop Lebron and Kyrie, we sure wont be stopping Durant and Kyrie in the beginning without a big trajectory from our young one’s.

are there any links for sources for this? or is it speculation and worry?

All of the rumors out there that Kyrie continues to recruit Durant to join him. That they had supposedly met twice already while in NY. Google it and you will see tons..could all be bs media but they are friends so it would not be surprising.

Stuff like NY media

Marks has them perfectly positioned as a top-tier free agent destination with nearly $69 million in salary cap room and a talented young core group remaining from a 42-40 playoff team. Multiple NBA sources have indicated to Newsday that point guard Kyrie Irving is a virtual certainty to sign with the Nets, and it could happen quickly because Irving reportedly has been courting forward Kevin Durant and can signal his commitment by agreeing to a maximum-salary deal worth $141 million over four years. 4 hours ago – via Newsday

Six-time All-Star free agent guard Kyrie Irving is meeting with the Brooklyn Nets on Sunday in New York with both sides motivated to reach a deal on a four-year, $141 million maximum contract, league sources told ESPN. Irving, who’s leaving the Boston Celtics, is a part of a bold two-part plan to acquire Irving and All-NBA forward Kevin Durant in free agency, league sources tell ESPN. 16 hours ago – via ESPN

It's interesting because Marc Stein recently tweeted:

The Nets have no choice -- they MUST secure a commitment from Kyrie Irving ASAP -- but team officials also know doing a deal with Kyrie first lessens their chances of landing Kevin Durant in one regard: Durant is said to be adamant about making his own call without being lobbied

So it might end up as just Kyrie

I think Nets are trading Russel for Wiggins if they don't land KD or Butler. Not great, but at least they might be able to redeem Wiggins.

Or get a three way with Toronto if Leonard leaves, they may as well reboot and maybe trade Gasol to Nets, Wiggins to Toronto, so he can go home, and Russell to Wolves.

[CelticsElite]

I only hope that Jaylen/Tatum learned from last year and that this year they can take a step forward rather than the step back they took last season.

I think they are going to have a very hard time doing that. Kemba is a high usage scoring PG. It is going to be hard for them to get enough touches / shots next to Kemba & Hayward who will be looking to reestablish himself after last season.

There is only 1 ball and 4 guys competing with each other for it.

name a pg on a contender that isn't high usage

[Who]

I only hope that Jaylen/Tatum learned from last year and that this year they can take a step forward rather than the step back they took last season.

I think they are going to have a very hard time doing that. Kemba is a high usage scoring PG. It is going to be hard for them to get enough touches / shots next to Kemba & Hayward who will be looking to reestablish himself after last season.

There is only 1 ball and 4 guys competing with each other for it.

I mean, Kemba has been forced to be that high usage scoring PG due to his poor supporting cast, though, and it’s reported that one of the reasons he’s coming here is because he wanted the better supporting cast to not have to do it all himself. He seems much more ready to sacrifice his playing style for the team than Kyrie ever was, which has seemingly been confirmed since the season ended with reports that Kyrie would regularly not follow Brad’s gameplan.

Throughout his NBA career, Kemba has been a scoring PG.

Heck even before he came to the NBA, back in college, Kemba was a scoring PG.

He is what he is.