For the record what moves do you want C's to make this FA?

[Csfan1984]

Randle, Portis, and WCS after 3 years of Al freaking Horrors? So depressing.


Danny has to sell tickets, none of those guys move the needle. Smart isn't skilled enough to be a full time PG. Kemba coming in will result in more wins, and plenty of excitement. Danny either goes for elite bigs or dirt cheap bigs. No in-between.


If i could have it my way, I'd resign Irving and Al. I'd move Brown and a big haul of picks for Beal. Smart for Capela.

Kyrie/Beal/Tatum/Horford/Capela

Hayward as Hondo

I definitely disagree with a lot of this.

 I'd rather have those three guys than Horford. The drop off when Horford was hurt, tired, or sitting was too much. C's are getting an upgraded rotation to keep good quality in at all times.

Kemba is not a name that sells tickets, if he was Hornets would have super maxed him. He is outside the top 25 of NBA players maybe even 30.

Smart has plenty of skill. His play making has improved each year. His defense at the position and rebounding also adds huge pluses to him playing PG. I don't want a ball dominant PG it's been the problem in the system.

I'd be OK with your moves if they were possible.

Just plain wrong. Disrespecting a 3 time All-Star who was just an All-NBA player

It's not wrong Walker is a career 19 point guy at 42% fg and isn't a pass first PG. He is undersized and brings no elite skill set. There are a lot of better players in the league.

[chiken]

I think Kemba is Perfect for the J's so I am pretty excited if we bring him in...  Also, wish we could somehow land Portis (unlikely I know)

[footey]

Oh yay another thread that’s just a thinly veiled free agency or trade idea

Is there a problem with that? 

[td450]

Sign Kemba and get Capela. If we also somehow figure out some crazy cap magic to keep Smart, I'll view this FA season as an epic save from ten days ago.

We will have pivoted from disaster, and gotten two players that, while not quite as talented, replace 95% of the lost productivity and are infinitely better fits for the next few years.

[footey]

Malcolm Brogdon (via cap space)
Thomas Bryant (via cap space. Chances are the Wizards are gonna match, but oh well)
Noah Vonleh (via the room exception)
Jared Dudley (vet min)

Brogdon - Smart - Edwards
Brown - Langford
Hayward - Semi - Dudley
Tatum - G. Williams (Vonleh can play the 4 as well)
Bryant - Vonleh - R. Williams

Fill the remaining roster spots as you see fit.

Someone is giving Vonleh more than a $4M starting salary.

Hope you're wrong, but I suspect someone (the Knicks) probably will.  He was my under radar target at 4/5 with the 4.8. Younger, poorer, longer Horford replacement.

[Csfan1984]

Sign Kemba and get Capela. If we also somehow figure out some crazy cap magic to keep Smart, I'll view this FA season as an epic save from ten days ago.

We will have pivoted from disaster, and gotten two players that, while not quite as talented, replace 95% of the lost productivity and are infinitely better fits for the next few years.

For me if they replace just 80%of the production with Tatum and Brown doing better because of the team chemistry that's a win.

[Jvalin]

Malcolm Brogdon (via cap space)
Thomas Bryant (via cap space. Chances are the Wizards are gonna match, but oh well)
Noah Vonleh (via the room exception)
Jared Dudley (vet min)

Brogdon - Smart - Edwards
Brown - Langford
Hayward - Semi - Dudley
Tatum - G. Williams (Vonleh can play the 4 as well)
Bryant - Vonleh - R. Williams

Fill the remaining roster spots as you see fit.

Someone is giving Vonleh more than a $4M starting salary.

We could possibly sign Vonleh via cap space, depending on how much we offer Brogdon.

1. Hayward $32,700,690
2. Smart $12,053,571
3. Bryant $9,246,000 (can't offer him more than the MLE on years 1-2 because of the Arenas provision. Can offer him up to the max for years 3-4)*
4. Tatum $7,830,000
5. Brown $6,534,829
6. Langford $3,454,080
7. G Williams $2,376,840
8. R. Williams $1,940,160
9. Semi $1,618,520
10. rookie min $897,158
11. rookie min $897,158
12. rookie min $897,158
Jackson $92,857

Total: $80,539,021

$109,000,000 - $80,539,021 = $28,460,979 in cap space

This number would actually increase to $29,358,137 (= $28,460,979 + $897,158) if we were to use our remaining cap space to sign 2 players.

For instance, if we signed Brogdon for $23 mil on year 1, we'd be left with around $6.3 mil in cap space to go after Vonleh.


*the absolute max we could offer Bryant would be

$9,246,000
$9,708,300
$29,975,000
$31,323,875

Obviously, this is an overpay. We don't have to max him out for years 3-4. Problem is, unless we overpay him, the Wizards will probably match our offer. Let's say we offer him $15 mil for year 3 (or something along these lines).

[jade88]

The more I think about, the more I'm in favor of Kemba > Kyrie. Specifically for his off ball game, leadership, and ability to generate free throws. I think IT4  was a better cog here for those reasons. He had more team success here, and I think Kemba will to.


I'm just so [dang] devasted about losing Horford. Again to be specific, he is the PF I would create from scratch. His game is perfect for this system, he was this system. It hurts to lose that, I think we're true contenders with him and Kemba. Even if everything else goes great and the Jay's game takes a leap, out ceiling is just lower. We can't win it all without Al, in any scenario.


I'm holding out hope we can S&T Rozier and Kyrie, and bring him back.

[wiley]

The more I think about, the more I'm in favor of Kemba > Kyrie. Specifically for his off ball game, leadership, and ability to generate free throws. I think IT4  was a better cog here for those reasons. He had more team success here, and I think Kemba will to.


I'm just so [dang] devasted about losing Horford. Again to be specific, he is the PF I would create from scratch. His game is perfect for this system, he was this system. It hurts to lose that, I think we're true contenders with him and Kemba. Even if everything else goes great and the Jay's game takes a leap, out ceiling is just lower. We can't win it all without Al, in any scenario.


I'm holding out hope we can S&T Rozier and Kyrie, and bring him back.

well said...
we are going to have to cobble together an Al with half a Hayward and half a Looney (or someone).

[jay]

1. Kemba
2. Smart
3. Hayward
4. Brown
5. Tatum
6. Room Exception Big (Looney, Kanter, Vonleh)
7. Semi
8. Theis
9. Yabu
10. Langford
11. Grant Williams
12. Carsen Edwards
13. Time Lord
14. Jerian Grant (5th guard)
15. keep spot open

2-way: Tremont Waters
2-way: Vitto Brown from the Red Claws

[GreenEnvy]

Malcolm Brogdon (via cap space)
Thomas Bryant (via cap space. Chances are the Wizards are gonna match, but oh well)
Noah Vonleh (via the room exception)
Jared Dudley (vet min)

Brogdon - Smart - Edwards
Brown - Langford
Hayward - Semi - Dudley
Tatum - G. Williams (Vonleh can play the 4 as well)
Bryant - Vonleh - R. Williams

Fill the remaining roster spots as you see fit.

Someone is giving Vonleh more than a $4M starting salary.

We could possibly sign Vonleh via cap space, depending on how much we offer Brogdon.

1. Hayward $32,700,690
2. Smart $12,053,571
3. Bryant $9,246,000 (can't offer him more than the MLE on years 1-2 because of the Arenas provision. Can offer him up to the max for years 3-4)*
4. Tatum $7,830,000
5. Brown $6,534,829
6. Langford $3,454,080
7. G Williams $2,376,840
8. R. Williams $1,940,160
9. Semi $1,618,520
10. rookie min $897,158
11. rookie min $897,158
12. rookie min $897,158
Jackson $92,857

Total: $80,539,021

$109,000,000 - $80,539,021 = $28,460,979 in cap space

This number would actually increase to $29,358,137 (= $28,460,979 + $897,158) if we were to use our remaining cap space to sign 2 players.

For instance, if we signed Brogdon for $23 mil on year 1, we'd be left with around $6.3 mil in cap space to go after Vonleh.


*the absolute max we could offer Bryant would be

$9,246,000
$9,708,300
$29,975,000
$31,323,875

Obviously, this is an overpay. We don't have to max him out for years 3-4. Problem is, unless we overpay him, the Wizards will probably match our offer. Let's say we offer him $15 mil for year 3 (or something along these lines).

Without any salary-dump trades or stretching anyone, our max cap space is $34.8M (you’re leaving Yabu out).

I just don’t see how you can get those three without other teams matching/outbidding. That said, I think when you can get an All-Star with cap space, you have to do that over a medley of good players. You can fill out a roster with serviceable players, but it’s hard to pick up stars.

If we don’t get who we want/like this summer, I’d rather roll the space over to next summer with a bunch of one-year deals. Tying up all your money on good-but-not-great players may have us stuck in mediocrity.

[uconnceltic]

Randle, Portis, and WCS after 3 years of Al freaking Horrors? So depressing.


Danny has to sell tickets, none of those guys move the needle. Smart isn't skilled enough to be a full time PG. Kemba coming in will result in more wins, and plenty of excitement. Danny either goes for elite bigs or dirt cheap bigs. No in-between.


If i could have it my way, I'd resign Irving and Al. I'd move Brown and a big haul of picks for Beal. Smart for Capela.

Kyrie/Beal/Tatum/Horford/Capela

Hayward as Hondo

I definitely disagree with a lot of this.

 I'd rather have those three guys than Horford. The drop off when Horford was hurt, tired, or sitting was too much. C's are getting an upgraded rotation to keep good quality in at all times.

Kemba is not a name that sells tickets, if he was Hornets would have super maxed him. He is outside the top 25 of NBA players maybe even 30.

Smart has plenty of skill. His play making has improved each year. His defense at the position and rebounding also adds huge pluses to him playing PG. I don't want a ball dominant PG it's been the problem in the system.

I'd be OK with your moves if they were possible.

Kemba is a Third Team All NBA and will help with tickets coming from UConn and having a great attitude unlike Kyrie.

[Fierce1]

I still believe the Celts need to trade one of the four among Tatum, Hayward, Brown, and Smart.

Unless Tatum will be a PF, Celts just have too many SF/SG.

Romeo Langford is also a SG.

Celts better off trading Smart or Brown for a quality big man.

[CelticSooner]

The Kemba isn’t a draw talk will look foolish very soon. He is the only thing that was keeping the Hornets afloat. Dude is a multiple time All-star and is still underrated because he played in a bad market. That is gonna change very quickly.

[shut_the_gate]

I still believe the Celts need to trade one of the four among Tatum, Hayward, Brown, and Smart.

Unless Tatum will be a PF, Celts just have too many SF/SG.

Romeo Langford is also a SG.

Celts better off trading Smart or Brown for a quality big man.

Tatum was and is a power forward, people forget that open game against Cavs 2018 Tatum was our starting power forward.

I know people don't like to hear this but Tatum is most comparable to Carmelo Anthony and Anthony was a 4 but just refused to play the position. Even Bird was a power forward coming into the NBA but he shifted down for McHale & Parish.

Langford has a lot of growing to do skill wise so it wouldn't surprise me if he went to Maine for a while and will only be used sparingly during the season as this team wants to compete.

IMO our main team will be FA Centre, Tatum, Hayward, Brown, Walker and Smart as our 6th man and Semi, Grant Williams, MLE Big, Rob Williams, Edwards used for specific match-ups