Kemba Walker (Kemba to formalize agreement on Sunday, pg 40)

[celticsclay]

Unreal you guys wanting Kemba so bad.  Let's move on as quickly as possible whatever the cost so we have good feelings again

It’s not about feelings, it’s about building a winning team.

Yea, to be honest I find it very confusing why any team would not want a top 15 player in the NBA that was still performing exceptionally with a horrible supporting cast in Charlotte.... he is also 29.. what is the issue of him signing with us?

[celticsclay]

apologies if someone already shared this, shams tweeted walker and hornets hit stalemate.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1144225721356890112

[ETNCeltics]

You win in the NBA with superstars. Give me Kemba.

I have no interest in keeping Rozier and adding Lopez and Danny Green. That does not do much.

I love Kemba, but come on, superstar??

And FWIW, I never thought Kyrie was a superstar either, even when people asked if he was 2-3 years ago.

I put Kemba/Kyrie/Lillard in a similar guard tier (behind the absolute highest tier) where they are legit stars but fringe superstars at best.

That's a fair assessment, IMO.

I don't think anyone believes that Kemba puts us over the top. We still need to find a #1 guy (or hope that Tatum becomes that guy).

But he's no doubt in the top 20 players in the league, and having good players on the roster, i.e. Tatum and Walker, might very well help draw a big time player 2 years from now.

[nickagneta]

I would have no problem with Smart and Yabu for Myles Turner. If draft assets have to be figured out fine. Maybe we send a future 1st in exchange for a future 2nd. Whatever. But Turner would seem to be a good fit, though he isn't the greatest rebounder. I think guys his size in the paint should be getting close 10 RPG and he is more a 7.5 RPG type guy.

[Moranis]

Unreal you guys wanting Kemba so bad.  Let's move on as quickly as possible whatever the cost so we have good feelings again

It’s not about feelings, it’s about building a winning team.

Yea, to be honest I find it very confusing why any team would not want a top 15 player in the NBA that was still performing exceptionally with a horrible supporting cast in Charlotte.... he is also 29.. what is the issue of him signing with us?

It is all just a matter of if that is the best use of the cap space.  It might very well be, but it also continues Boston's trend of signing good to very good free agents, but not landing any great ones and at the end of the day you need great players to really contend for championships.  Walker is a very good player, but he isn't making this team a contender, so is the team better off using the cap space in a different manner.  I think that is the question. 

[Phantom255x]

You win in the NBA with superstars. Give me Kemba.

I have no interest in keeping Rozier and adding Lopez and Danny Green. That does not do much.

I love Kemba, but come on, superstar??

And FWIW, I never thought Kyrie was a superstar either, even when people asked if he was 2-3 years ago.

I put Kemba/Kyrie/Lillard in a similar guard tier (behind the absolute highest tier) where they are legit stars but fringe superstars at best.

That's a fair assessment, IMO.

I don't think anyone believes that Kemba puts us over the top. We still need to find a #1 guy (or hope that Tatum becomes that guy).

But he's no doubt in the top 20 players in the league, and having good players on the roster, i.e. Tatum and Walker, might very well help draw a big time player 2 years from now.

Yep, agreed! 

[gouki88]

Unreal you guys wanting Kemba so bad.  Let's move on as quickly as possible whatever the cost so we have good feelings again

It’s not about feelings, it’s about building a winning team.

Yea, to be honest I find it very confusing why any team would not want a top 15 player in the NBA that was still performing exceptionally with a horrible supporting cast in Charlotte.... he is also 29.. what is the issue of him signing with us?

It is all just a matter of if that is the best use of the cap space.  It might very well be, but it also continues Boston's trend of signing good to very good free agents, but not landing any great ones and at the end of the day you need great players to really contend for championships.  Walker is a very good player, but he isn't making this team a contender, so is the team better off using the cap space in a different manner.  I think that is the question.

It's a fair question, but is there any alternative way to use the cap space that you can think of that would help us more? Unless you think KD or Kawhi are coming here, I'm not sure what else we can do

[PhoSita]

This team with Kemba and without Horford or any above average two way big man ... how many games does that team win?


The Kemba thing is odd to me.  I get that he's a capable replacement for Kyrie, but right now there isn't a guy on the roster who I'd like to have as the starter at PF or C.  Are they going to find a starting frontcourt with the vet minimum and the room exception?

[hwangjini_1]

I would have no problem with Smart and Yabu for Myles Turner. If draft assets have to be figured out fine. Maybe we send a future 1st in exchange for a future 2nd. Whatever. But Turner would seem to be a good fit, though he isn't the greatest rebounder. I think guys his size in the paint should be getting close 10 RPG and he is more a 7.5 RPG type guy.

then maybe sabonis would be preferable at 9.3 rpg.

[nickagneta]

I would have no problem with Smart and Yabu for Myles Turner. If draft assets have to be figured out fine. Maybe we send a future 1st in exchange for a future 2nd. Whatever. But Turner would seem to be a good fit, though he isn't the greatest rebounder. I think guys his size in the paint should be getting close 10 RPG and he is more a 7.5 RPG type guy.

then maybe sabonis would be preferable at 9.3 rpg.

I think he would be but out of Indy's three big men, I think Turner will be the one moved. I think Indy will stick with Sabonis and Bitadze.

[MichiganAdam]

I would have no problem with Smart and Yabu for Myles Turner. If draft assets have to be figured out fine. Maybe we send a future 1st in exchange for a future 2nd. Whatever. But Turner would seem to be a good fit, though he isn't the greatest rebounder. I think guys his size in the paint should be getting close 10 RPG and he is more a 7.5 RPG type guy.

then maybe sabonis would be preferable at 9.3 rpg.

LOL then maybe we do both and get turner and sabonis for smart, brown, yabu and a couple of picks.  Seeing we drafted a bunch of 2's and 3's they become the bench. 

Kemba,
GH,
JT,
Sabonis,
MT

good starters, although GH would have hard time versus the quicker SG's.

[gouki88]

I would have no problem with Smart and Yabu for Myles Turner. If draft assets have to be figured out fine. Maybe we send a future 1st in exchange for a future 2nd. Whatever. But Turner would seem to be a good fit, though he isn't the greatest rebounder. I think guys his size in the paint should be getting close 10 RPG and he is more a 7.5 RPG type guy.

then maybe sabonis would be preferable at 9.3 rpg.

I think he would be but out of Indy's three big men, I think Turner will be the one moved. I think Indy will stick with Sabonis and Bitadze.

Yeah, I think Turner is the most likely to be moved. Maybe Turner could be a better rebounder with more minutes and more of an interior-focused offence, but I'm not sure. Not high on him as a rebounder, but like his defence and floor-spacing

[celticsclay]

I would have no problem with Smart and Yabu for Myles Turner. If draft assets have to be figured out fine. Maybe we send a future 1st in exchange for a future 2nd. Whatever. But Turner would seem to be a good fit, though he isn't the greatest rebounder. I think guys his size in the paint should be getting close 10 RPG and he is more a 7.5 RPG type guy.

I don't have stats to back this up, but is it possible that Turners rebounding numbers were a bit suppressed cause he was playing major minutes alongside Young and Sabonis who are decent rebounders? Turner also only played 28 minutes a game. I would imagine he would play like 33 for us and would get up closer to 9.

[gouki88]

I would have no problem with Smart and Yabu for Myles Turner. If draft assets have to be figured out fine. Maybe we send a future 1st in exchange for a future 2nd. Whatever. But Turner would seem to be a good fit, though he isn't the greatest rebounder. I think guys his size in the paint should be getting close 10 RPG and he is more a 7.5 RPG type guy.

I don't have stats to back this up, but is it possible that Turners rebounding numbers were a bit suppressed cause he was playing major minutes alongside Young and Sabonis who are decent rebounders? Turner also only played 28 minutes a game. I would imagine he would play like 33 for us and would get up closer to 9.

Can't be worse than Horford

[celticsclay]

Unreal you guys wanting Kemba so bad.  Let's move on as quickly as possible whatever the cost so we have good feelings again

It’s not about feelings, it’s about building a winning team.

Yea, to be honest I find it very confusing why any team would not want a top 15 player in the NBA that was still performing exceptionally with a horrible supporting cast in Charlotte.... he is also 29.. what is the issue of him signing with us?

It is all just a matter of if that is the best use of the cap space.  It might very well be, but it also continues Boston's trend of signing good to very good free agents, but not landing any great ones and at the end of the day you need great players to really contend for championships.  Walker is a very good player, but he isn't making this team a contender, so is the team better off using the cap space in a different manner.  I think that is the question.

What is the definition of a great player here? He has become a perennial all-star and just made an all-nba 3rd team. It doesn't seem like any of the top 10 players are attainable for us (and several of them just wouldn't make any sense). What can we do instead? We are too far along with Brown and Tatum to tank.