2019 Summer Rumors official thread

[bellerephon]

Free agent guard Cory Joseph has agreed to a three-year, $37 million deal with the Sacramento Kings, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1145591210276352000?s=21

This means Cauley-Stein will be renounced if he hasn’t been already.

Good evening CBA exhalted one:

What is the most Cs can offer assuming Morris is renounced and no more trades?

The room exception — 2 years, $9.8 million.

If the Kyrie deal can't be arranged as a sign and trade, how much would someone like Morris need to get in a sign and trade to help complete the Kemba deal and keep us above the cap?

The max and then we’d need some more salary even when including Rozier.

Is that due to base year compensation coming into play?

I am pretty sure it's because even after signing Kemba we'd still be an "under the cap" team, and therefore only have access to the room exception.

I don’t understand all the details but it looks like the Celts will send Rozier to Charlotte in a sign and trade. They will also get Kemba in a separate sign and trade. This might result in the Celts having the full MLE, 9 million, and also a trade exception for also about 9 million. Full disclosure I don’t claim to know how this works but I've seen it around.

[footey]

Free agent guard Cory Joseph has agreed to a three-year, $37 million deal with the Sacramento Kings, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1145591210276352000?s=21

This means Cauley-Stein will be renounced if he hasn’t been already.

Good evening CBA exhalted one:

What is the most Cs can offer assuming Morris is renounced and no more trades?

The room exception — 2 years, $9.8 million.

If the Kyrie deal can't be arranged as a sign and trade, how much would someone like Morris need to get in a sign and trade to help complete the Kemba deal and keep us above the cap?

The max and then we’d need some more salary even when including Rozier.

Is that due to base year compensation coming into play?

I am pretty sure it's because even after signing Kemba we'd still be an "under the cap" team, and therefore only have access to the room exception.

I don’t understand all the details but it looks like the Celts will send Rozier to Charlotte in a sign and trade. They will also get Kemba in a separate sign and trade. This might result in the Celts having the full MLE, 9 million, and also a trade exception for also about 9 million. Full disclosure I don’t claim to know how this works but I've seen it around.

Would love to see link of that, because our local experts here on the board, who are very familiar with the rules, seem inclined to call that pie in the sky.

[kraidstar]

Free agent guard Cory Joseph has agreed to a three-year, $37 million deal with the Sacramento Kings, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1145591210276352000?s=21

This means Cauley-Stein will be renounced if he hasn’t been already.

Good evening CBA exhalted one:

What is the most Cs can offer assuming Morris is renounced and no more trades?

The room exception — 2 years, $9.8 million.

If the Kyrie deal can't be arranged as a sign and trade, how much would someone like Morris need to get in a sign and trade to help complete the Kemba deal and keep us above the cap?

The max and then we’d need some more salary even when including Rozier.

Is that due to base year compensation coming into play?

I am pretty sure it's because even after signing Kemba we'd still be an "under the cap" team, and therefore only have access to the room exception.

Some minor good news: according to Adam Himmelsbach of the Globe we're getting some compensation from Charlotte regardless of whether we get a 3-way deal done.

[kraidstar]

Free agent guard Cory Joseph has agreed to a three-year, $37 million deal with the Sacramento Kings, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1145591210276352000?s=21

This means Cauley-Stein will be renounced if he hasn’t been already.

Good evening CBA exhalted one:

What is the most Cs can offer assuming Morris is renounced and no more trades?

The room exception — 2 years, $9.8 million.

If the Kyrie deal can't be arranged as a sign and trade, how much would someone like Morris need to get in a sign and trade to help complete the Kemba deal and keep us above the cap?

The max and then we’d need some more salary even when including Rozier.

Is that due to base year compensation coming into play?

I am pretty sure it's because even after signing Kemba we'd still be an "under the cap" team, and therefore only have access to the room exception.

I don’t understand all the details but it looks like the Celts will send Rozier to Charlotte in a sign and trade. They will also get Kemba in a separate sign and trade. This might result in the Celts having the full MLE, 9 million, and also a trade exception for also about 9 million. Full disclosure I don’t claim to know how this works but I've seen it around.

Would love to see link of that, because our local experts here on the board, who are very familiar with the rules, seem inclined to call that pie in the sky.

Yeah, Rozier isn't enough to stay over the cap. We need a max deal. Brooklyn and Philly will want decent compensation if they are going to help a rival like us.

[Moranis]

I just cant understand why kawhi would want to go to the lakers and be third fiddle to LeBron/AD and coast to a championship when he just won on his own in Toronto.

would be an even more loser move than Durant going to GS...at least he didn't win a championship a year before.

Yeah.  Its not like Bosh who was clearly 3rd fiddle to Lebron and Wade.  Don't think Bosh was particularly happy about being 3rd fiddle and we know Ray wasn't with us.  But neither of them were close to being a top 5 players and in the convo for being best player in the league.

Leonard is better than Davis and will be better than James shortly (if he isn't already).  He isn't playing 3rd fiddle to anyone on that team.

[saltlover]

Free agent guard Cory Joseph has agreed to a three-year, $37 million deal with the Sacramento Kings, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1145591210276352000?s=21

This means Cauley-Stein will be renounced if he hasn’t been already.

Good evening CBA exhalted one:

What is the most Cs can offer assuming Morris is renounced and no more trades?

The room exception — 2 years, $9.8 million.

If the Kyrie deal can't be arranged as a sign and trade, how much would someone like Morris need to get in a sign and trade to help complete the Kemba deal and keep us above the cap?

The max and then we’d need some more salary even when including Rozier.

Is that due to base year compensation coming into play?

I am pretty sure it's because even after signing Kemba we'd still be an "under the cap" team, and therefore only have access to the room exception.

I don’t understand all the details but it looks like the Celts will send Rozier to Charlotte in a sign and trade. They will also get Kemba in a separate sign and trade. This might result in the Celts having the full MLE, 9 million, and also a trade exception for also about 9 million. Full disclosure I don’t claim to know how this works but I've seen it around.

Would love to see link of that, because our local experts here on the board, who are very familiar with the rules, seem inclined to call that pie in the sky.

Yeah, the only way the above happens is if we convince either Brooklyn or Philadelphia to help us with a S&T involving Kyrie or Al.  The Al S&T would be better, as he probably can absorb Walker’s salary by himself, leaving us with the MLE, a trade exception equal to half of Rozier’s first year, the BAE, and, depending on the timing of the deals, a trade exception for Baynes.

Not impossible, by any means, but not where we currently stand.

[saltlover]

Free agent guard Cory Joseph has agreed to a three-year, $37 million deal with the Sacramento Kings, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1145591210276352000?s=21

This means Cauley-Stein will be renounced if he hasn’t been already.

Good evening CBA exhalted one:

What is the most Cs can offer assuming Morris is renounced and no more trades?

The room exception — 2 years, $9.8 million.

If the Kyrie deal can't be arranged as a sign and trade, how much would someone like Morris need to get in a sign and trade to help complete the Kemba deal and keep us above the cap?

The max and then we’d need some more salary even when including Rozier.

Is that due to base year compensation coming into play?

Yes.

[hwangjini_1]

This is where I scratch my head at the Celtics drafting Langford at #14. Should have taken a big there to at least provide some depth. Now they have none.

this board has gone over the discussion already. langford was the best player available for ainge, so that is whom you draft.

next, any center/big would be a rookie this year and the likelihood of them being able to start and be credible is very, very low.

third, at the time of the draft no one, not even ainge, knew exactly how everything would turn out in free agency and whom the celtics might be able to pick up as a FA. to ask ainge to take a lesser talent on draft night based upon this is not realistic.

[bellerephon]

Free agent guard Cory Joseph has agreed to a three-year, $37 million deal with the Sacramento Kings, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1145591210276352000?s=21

This means Cauley-Stein will be renounced if he hasn’t been already.

Good evening CBA exhalted one:

What is the most Cs can offer assuming Morris is renounced and no more trades?

The room exception — 2 years, $9.8 million.

If the Kyrie deal can't be arranged as a sign and trade, how much would someone like Morris need to get in a sign and trade to help complete the Kemba deal and keep us above the cap?

The max and then we’d need some more salary even when including Rozier.

Is that due to base year compensation coming into play?

I am pretty sure it's because even after signing Kemba we'd still be an "under the cap" team, and therefore only have access to the room exception.

I don’t understand all the details but it looks like the Celts will send Rozier to Charlotte in a sign and trade. They will also get Kemba in a separate sign and trade. This might result in the Celts having the full MLE, 9 million, and also a trade exception for also about 9 million. Full disclosure I don’t claim to know how this works but I've seen it around.

Would love to see link of that, because our local experts here on the board, who are very familiar with the rules, seem inclined to call that pie in the sky.

I'm no cap expert so I can't comment on the veracity of the report, but here's the link.

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2019/06/boston-celtics-strike-sign-and-trade-deal-to-send-terry-rozier-to-charlotte-hornets-report.html

Here's the relevant quote
By executing a sign-and-trade, Boston will be able to hold on to other key elements of their roster and roster-building tools, up to possibly keeping Al Horford and a full, $9 million mid-level exception.
It seems like Horford is now off the board, but MLE would be nice. Might also mean they don't need to renounce their bird rights on Morris.

[saltlover]

Free agent guard Cory Joseph has agreed to a three-year, $37 million deal with the Sacramento Kings, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1145591210276352000?s=21

This means Cauley-Stein will be renounced if he hasn’t been already.

Good evening CBA exhalted one:

What is the most Cs can offer assuming Morris is renounced and no more trades?

The room exception — 2 years, $9.8 million.

If the Kyrie deal can't be arranged as a sign and trade, how much would someone like Morris need to get in a sign and trade to help complete the Kemba deal and keep us above the cap?

The max and then we’d need some more salary even when including Rozier.

Is that due to base year compensation coming into play?

I am pretty sure it's because even after signing Kemba we'd still be an "under the cap" team, and therefore only have access to the room exception.

I don’t understand all the details but it looks like the Celts will send Rozier to Charlotte in a sign and trade. They will also get Kemba in a separate sign and trade. This might result in the Celts having the full MLE, 9 million, and also a trade exception for also about 9 million. Full disclosure I don’t claim to know how this works but I've seen it around.

Would love to see link of that, because our local experts here on the board, who are very familiar with the rules, seem inclined to call that pie in the sky.

I'm no cap expert so I can't comment on the veracity of the report, but here's the link.

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2019/06/boston-celtics-strike-sign-and-trade-deal-to-send-terry-rozier-to-charlotte-hornets-report.html

Here's the relevant quote
By executing a sign-and-trade, Boston will be able to hold on to other key elements of their roster and roster-building tools, up to possibly keeping Al Horford and a full, $9 million mid-level exception.
It seems like Horford is now off the board, but MLE would be nice. Might also mean they don't need to renounce their bird rights on Morris.

That article was at 5:30 pm yesterday, before the Irving S&T fell apart.  So it’s old, and thus largely wrong, excepting what I said a few posts above.

[manl_lui]

this is from Chris Broussard so take it as you will

https://twitter.com/chris_broussard/status/1145573120058654720?s=21

Kawhi to Lakers getting stronger, Rondo getting vet min to stay, with Iggy and Seth Curry also on their radar

[kraidstar]

Free agent guard Cory Joseph has agreed to a three-year, $37 million deal with the Sacramento Kings, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1145591210276352000?s=21

This means Cauley-Stein will be renounced if he hasn’t been already.

Good evening CBA exhalted one:

What is the most Cs can offer assuming Morris is renounced and no more trades?

The room exception — 2 years, $9.8 million.

If the Kyrie deal can't be arranged as a sign and trade, how much would someone like Morris need to get in a sign and trade to help complete the Kemba deal and keep us above the cap?

The max and then we’d need some more salary even when including Rozier.

Is that due to base year compensation coming into play?

I am pretty sure it's because even after signing Kemba we'd still be an "under the cap" team, and therefore only have access to the room exception.

I don’t understand all the details but it looks like the Celts will send Rozier to Charlotte in a sign and trade. They will also get Kemba in a separate sign and trade. This might result in the Celts having the full MLE, 9 million, and also a trade exception for also about 9 million. Full disclosure I don’t claim to know how this works but I've seen it around.

Would love to see link of that, because our local experts here on the board, who are very familiar with the rules, seem inclined to call that pie in the sky.

Yeah, the only way the above happens is if we convince either Brooklyn or Philadelphia to help us with a S&T involving Kyrie or Al.  The Al S&T would be better, as he probably can absorb Walker’s salary by himself, leaving us with the MLE, a trade exception equal to half of Rozier’s first year, the BAE, and, depending on the timing of the deals, a trade exception for Baynes.

Not impossible, by any means, but not where we currently stand.

TP

Immediate usefulness aside, having a couple $9M contracts on hand would be very valuable as potential trade chips down the road. Those are the sort of contracts we could use instead as salary filler of Smart if a star becomes available.

[Roy H.]

Free agent guard Cory Joseph has agreed to a three-year, $37 million deal with the Sacramento Kings, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1145591210276352000?s=21

This means Cauley-Stein will be renounced if he hasn’t been already.

Good evening CBA exhalted one:

What is the most Cs can offer assuming Morris is renounced and no more trades?

The room exception — 2 years, $9.8 million.

If the Kyrie deal can't be arranged as a sign and trade, how much would someone like Morris need to get in a sign and trade to help complete the Kemba deal and keep us above the cap?

The max and then we’d need some more salary even when including Rozier.

Theoretically that could come from looping in the Suns in the Baynes deal, I suppose.

[Fafnir]

I wouldn't be shocked if we're trying to involve Al/Philly in a sign and trade scenario and the price we'd pay is helping facilitate the Butler S&T that fell apart in some manner.

This is naturally ridiculously complicated and likely won't happen, but Mike Zarren has enough white boards and I'm sure he's trying to work on it all lol. 

[saltlover]

Free agent guard Cory Joseph has agreed to a three-year, $37 million deal with the Sacramento Kings, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1145591210276352000?s=21

This means Cauley-Stein will be renounced if he hasn’t been already.

Good evening CBA exhalted one:

What is the most Cs can offer assuming Morris is renounced and no more trades?

The room exception — 2 years, $9.8 million.

If the Kyrie deal can't be arranged as a sign and trade, how much would someone like Morris need to get in a sign and trade to help complete the Kemba deal and keep us above the cap?

The max and then we’d need some more salary even when including Rozier.

Theoretically that could come from looping in the Suns in the Baynes deal, I suppose.

Yes, but the idea was supposed to end at Morris receiving the max.