2019 Summer Rumors official thread

[jpotter33]

Bobby Marks:

3-team S&T deal likely dead among Brooklyn, Boston, and Charlotte (unless they compensate Brooklyn, whcih they're not wanting to do yet). Though it was intimated that that could change if Al does give them indications that he would resign. Says that he doesn't think Al will be back in Boston.

Says right now it looks like a double S&T with just Boston and Charlotte - which I guess it means that we take the rest of Kemba's salary back in cap space? I'm not sure how that really works out.

Interesting.

Rozier starting at 17 or 18, yabusele, langford is really close to completing a deal

Or just pony up a pick and make it a 3 team deal

Or danny can cave and give a pick.

As has been explained ad nauseam over the past few weeks - that's not how this works because of Rozier being a Base Year Compensation player, so his outgoing salary only counts for 50% of his first year contract. So that package isn't coming anywhere close to being enough to match salary, let alone the fact that langford isn't even signed yet and can't be traded as a salary yet.

That said - I guess the way this would work between just Boston and Charlotte is that we just take the rest of Kemba's salary into our open cap space? We all need salty to provide some clarification about this.

[tazzmaniac]

On an unrelated note, why would Kawhi not sign a short-term deal with Toronto? Milwaukee lost one of their best players. Boston will be worse. Philly might be worse, although Simmons and Embiid will get better. Durant is out for a year. Oladipo will need time.

They should reach the Finals again if he stays.

Reddick is gone. It seems like butler wants to leave. Also given that Simmons did not improve at all between first and second year (I would say same for Tatum) no guarantee he improves.

Redick (why can't anyone on here spell his name correctly) is a pretty big loss for the Sixers but 2yr/26.5M is more than I'd want to pay.  I was thinking 3yr/30M at the most. 

[Surferdad]

How does a Kemba for Rozier S&T work?  What are the other outgoing assets?

I literally have no idea how this works. Would the rest of Kemba's salary come back and fit in the cap space??

https://twitter.com/dangercart/status/1145460773185052672

NBA radio said it gives the Celtics the full $9 million for another fa

So this opens up options like Favors? Good

Yup just heard Favors mentioned on NBA TV.

[SCeltic34]

Rodney Hood back to the Blazers for two years, 16 million?  I like that for the Blazers a lot.

[Roy H.]

How does a Kemba for Rozier S&T work?  What are the other outgoing assets?

I literally have no idea how this works. Would the rest of Kemba's salary come back and fit in the cap space??

NBA radio said it gives the Celtics the full $9 million for another fa

Yeah, but it doesn't work in its current form.

Sending out Rozier isn't enough to get Kemba here.

Rozier's outgoing salary in a deal is only around $9 million.  Kemba's incoming salary is $32 million from Boston's perspective. 

There have to be other pieces involved.

[Vox_Populi]

I don't want Kanter.

I wouldn’t mind Kanter, we could use his rebounding. Maybe whiz kid Brad can somehow teach him how to play some defense.

There's just something about him I don't like. He's been decent ever year he's been in the Playoffs to be fair, although there are match-ups he cannot handle.

I don't know the status of Robin Lopez, but I'd much rather have him.

[Jiri Welsch]

How does a Kemba for Rozier S&T work?  What are the other outgoing assets?

I literally have no idea how this works. Would the rest of Kemba's salary come back and fit in the cap space??

NBA radio said it gives the Celtics the full $9 million for another fa

Yeah, but it doesn't work in its current form.

Sending out Rozier isn't enough to get Kemba here.

Rozier's outgoing salary in a deal is only around $9 million.  Kemba's incoming salary is $32 million from Boston's perspective. 

There have to be other pieces involved.

Could be as simple as incorrect reporting. They reported a S&T as finalized when it was only tentative assuming the Nets signed on to the 3-team trade.

[alt]

A first rounder and two 2nd rounders for Brogdon S&T?  That's a steep, steep price.

What's the protection on the first? Hard to believe it's unprotected considering Brogdons' and Oladipos' health issues. If it's conservatively protected, it's a fine price.

Brogdon
Holiday
Oladipo
Lamb
TJ Warren
Sabonis
Turner

Not bad if Oladipo returns to his 17/18 form.

Wonder if they'll finally trade one of Sabonis/Turner for a more athletic and perimeter oriented big.

[KGs Knee]

How does a Kemba for Rozier S&T work?  What are the other outgoing assets?

I literally have no idea how this works. Would the rest of Kemba's salary come back and fit in the cap space??

I hope not, because that would cause the Celtics to lose the MLE.  But unless there are additional players leaving Boston, there is no other way.  Terry's outgoing trade value isn't enough for Kemba's salary.

[tazzmaniac]

Bobby Marks:

3-team S&T deal likely dead among Brooklyn, Boston, and Charlotte (unless they compensate Brooklyn, whcih they're not wanting to do yet). Though it was intimated that that could change if Al does give them indications that he would resign. Says that he doesn't think Al will be back in Boston.

Says right now it looks like a double S&T with just Boston and Charlotte - which I guess it means that we take the rest of Kemba's salary back in cap space? I'm not sure how that really works out.

Interesting.

Rozier starting at 17 or 18, yabusele, langford is really close to completing a deal

Or just pony up a pick and make it a 3 team deal

Or danny can cave and give a pick.

As has been explained ad nauseam over the past few weeks - that's not how this works because of Rozier being a Base Year Compensation player, so his outgoing salary only counts for 50% of his first year contract. So that package isn't coming anywhere close to being enough to match salary, let alone the fact that langford isn't even signed yet and can't be traded as a salary yet.

That said - I guess the way this would work between just Boston and Charlotte is that we just take the rest of Kemba's salary into our open cap space? We all need salty to provide some clarification about this.

Isn't Kemba also a BYC player in a sign-and-trade so we'd only be matching 16M+? 

[nickagneta]

Windhorst just brought up a great point. Point guards are getting huge money

Rozier $18 million per
Brogan $21 million per
Rubio $17 million per
Kyrie and Kemba $32.7 million per
Lillard $49 million per extension

For people that have claimed that there is a glut of good PGs and that should hold down salaries, well, that ain't happening.

[KGs Knee]

Bobby Marks:

3-team S&T deal likely dead among Brooklyn, Boston, and Charlotte (unless they compensate Brooklyn, whcih they're not wanting to do yet). Though it was intimated that that could change if Al does give them indications that he would resign. Says that he doesn't think Al will be back in Boston.

Says right now it looks like a double S&T with just Boston and Charlotte - which I guess it means that we take the rest of Kemba's salary back in cap space? I'm not sure how that really works out.

Interesting.

Rozier starting at 17 or 18, yabusele, langford is really close to completing a deal

Or just pony up a pick and make it a 3 team deal

Or danny can cave and give a pick.

As has been explained ad nauseam over the past few weeks - that's not how this works because of Rozier being a Base Year Compensation player, so his outgoing salary only counts for 50% of his first year contract. So that package isn't coming anywhere close to being enough to match salary, let alone the fact that langford isn't even signed yet and can't be traded as a salary yet.

That said - I guess the way this would work between just Boston and Charlotte is that we just take the rest of Kemba's salary into our open cap space? We all need salty to provide some clarification about this.

Isn't Kemba also a BYC player in a sign-and-trade so we'd only be matching 16M+? 

Nope, we count his full incoming salary.

[hwangjini_1]

How does a Kemba for Rozier S&T work?  What are the other outgoing assets?

I literally have no idea how this works. Would the rest of Kemba's salary come back and fit in the cap space??

NBA radio said it gives the Celtics the full $9 million for another fa

Yeah, but it doesn't work in its current form.

Sending out Rozier isn't enough to get Kemba here.

Rozier's outgoing salary in a deal is only around $9 million.  Kemba's incoming salary is $32 million from Boston's perspective. 

There have to be other pieces involved.

Could be as simple as incorrect reporting. They reported a S&T as finalized when it was only tentative assuming the Nets signed on to the 3-team trade.

and then there is:
From Albert Nahmad:

"Even if 3-team variant (incl. Nets) dies, Celtics and Hornets could still execute two-team S&T, where Celtics take Kemba Walker ($32.7M) into cap room and Hornets acquire Terry Rozier ($17.9M) in trade-match to BYC-adjusted salary of Walker ($16.4M). (CHA to compensate BOS?)"

i have NO idea how any of this works folks.

[SCeltic34]

A first rounder and two 2nd rounders for Brogdon S&T?  That's a steep, steep price.

What's the protection on the first? Hard to believe it's unprotected considering Brogdons' and Oladipos' health issues. If it's firmly protected, it's a fine price.

Brogdon
Holiday
Oladipo
Lamb
TJ Warren
Sabonis
Turner

Not bad if Oladipo returns to his 17/18 form.

Wonder if they'll finally trade one of Sabonis/Turner for a more athletic and perimeter oriented big.

Not sure about protection on the pick.  Hopefully heavily protected.  I'm against anything that helps the Bucks in the near future for obvious reasons.

[KGs Knee]

How does a Kemba for Rozier S&T work?  What are the other outgoing assets?

I literally have no idea how this works. Would the rest of Kemba's salary come back and fit in the cap space??

NBA radio said it gives the Celtics the full $9 million for another fa

Yeah, but it doesn't work in its current form.

Sending out Rozier isn't enough to get Kemba here.

Rozier's outgoing salary in a deal is only around $9 million.  Kemba's incoming salary is $32 million from Boston's perspective. 

There have to be other pieces involved.

Could be as simple as incorrect reporting. They reported a S&T as finalized when it was only tentative assuming the Nets signed on to the 3-team trade.

and then there is:
From Albert Nahmad:

"Even if 3-team variant (incl. Nets) dies, Celtics and Hornets could still execute two-team S&T, where Celtics take Kemba Walker ($32.7M) into cap room and Hornets acquire Terry Rozier ($17.9M) in trade-match to BYC-adjusted salary of Walker ($16.4M). (CHA to compensate BOS?)"

i have NO idea how any of this works folks.

Exactly how it's stated.

Boston absorbs Kemba's salary via cap space

Charlotte absorbs Terry salary via traded player exception (Kemba's base year salary + $5m).