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Are We Really Bringing Back Rozier?? (Update: Nope! Phew)
« on: June 23, 2019, 12:17:45 PM »

Offline Phantom255x

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I mean, do I really need to bring up his appearances on ESPN this past month?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBRYxN4MLPk
(‘I sacrificed my talent’ playing with Kyrie Irving and Gordon Hayward – Terry Rozier | First Take)

Gordon Hayward is still on this team, and are we sure Rozier won't feel the same way if he sees Jaylen and Tatum getting more of a role and more shot attempts in games?

He also went on Get Up that same day and basically called out the coaching and said he'd have no problem at all leaving.

This is the guy we want to bring back to be our starting PG? Had one great playoff run in 2017-2018, but I'll remind folks that while he was exceptional in the home games, he was mediocre in those road games too. And then this past April, he was basically a no-show and killed us many times out there.

Keep in mind too, if you bring back Rozier, then our cap space available likely drops 10M, or even more depending on what he signs for exactly, so instead of 35M+ you'd have like 25M-ish. That's still a pretty big difference if you're targeting someone like Randle or Vucevic in FA, or if you trade for someone like Adams/Capela and still need to fill out the bench.

If we bring back Rozier, I can understand it. But that doesn't mean that I'll have extreme doubts about it, and feel that this summer would have truly been a disaster. Losing Kyrie turned out to be inevitable, but then you lose Horford, probably Morris and a few others as well. Bring back Rozier who strikes me as a guy who is extremely selfish and was seemingly one of the primary cancers in the locker room last season, and yikes.

I'd so much rather we sign D'Lo in FA, but if not then go after someone like Rubio or Collison on a modest deal or something then either trade or sign 1-2 more PF/C to fill out the front court.

Even if we believe Kyrie was the real problem last season with the off-the-court drama, would things really change if we kept Rozier along too? I honestly doubt it. He might add more unnecessary drama if his role remains limited in some instances.

Idk, am I being too harsh with this post or do people feel the same way? I just hate the idea of bringing back Rozier after all that's transpired lately. There's got to be other routes and plans to take here.
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Re: Are We Really Bringing Back Rozier??
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2019, 12:28:47 PM »

Offline dreamgreen

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May have to just to get a PG. He's not the passing PG I prefer but he has some good qualities, not afraid to take big shots and often hits them. Think people are to bent out of shape of all the stupid things he's said. Sometimes you just have to let that go but saying that I prefer Rubio lol.
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Re: Are We Really Bringing Back Rozier??
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2019, 12:37:23 PM »

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Probably.

His value is low right now because of the year he had.

If he signs a 3-4 year deal for a reasonable annual figure and then puts up numbers similar to what he did in the 2018 playoffs in a full time starting role, he will be an asset.

The Celtics are in asset collection mode now.
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Re: Are We Really Bringing Back Rozier??
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2019, 12:40:35 PM »

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He also might be willing to sign a 1 year deal with a player option for the second year. Gives him a chance to build value for free agency and if he plays well he could be valuable as a trade piece at the deadline. The Celts can pay him a salary that appeals to him without locking themselves in long term.
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2019, 12:52:41 PM »

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I think it’s looking very likely.
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Re: Are We Really Bringing Back Rozier??
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2019, 01:16:09 PM »

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Danny did not trade Rozier for this very reason. Security blanket  if “flaky” Kyrie bolted another franchise. Danny loves his drafted PG’s...Rozier will be our starter unless someone much older and more expensive is being traded for soon..time will tell....
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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2019, 01:18:49 PM »

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We have 3 point guards already on the roster.

Why not add another.
Might as well use the rest of the capspace on sg/sf combos as well.

Can never have to many of those.

Danny's objective is to corner the market on sg/sf combos.

Smart/edwards/waters
Brown/langford
Tatum/Hayward/Semi

I mean obviously we only have 3 pgs and 5 wing players. We need another pg, 2 more sg/sf and 1 more sf. Then we are set. Need to be 4 deep at each wing position.

We have 2 front court players....thats more than enough.


What good is having bigmen in the nba when we can be the only team to run a pg/pg/sg/sf/sf lineup.

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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2019, 01:22:30 PM »

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Quote from: Silky on June 23, 2019, 01:18:49 PM
We have 3 point guards already on the roster.

Why not add another.
Might as well use the rest of the capspace on sg/sf combos as well.

Can never have to many of those.

Danny's objective is to corner the market on sg/sf combos.

Smart/edwards/waters
Brown/langford
Tatum/Hayward/Semi

I mean obviously we only have 3 pgs and 5 wing players. We need another pg, 2 more sg/sf and 1 more sf. Then we are set. Need to be 4 deep at each wing position.

We have 2 front court players....thats more than enough.


What good is having bigmen in the nba when we can be the only team to run a pg/pg/sg/sf/sf lineup.

The reason Rozier would come back is that he’s got a relatively small cap hold, making it possible to both retain him and sign a big to a large contract.
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Re: Are We Really Bringing Back Rozier??
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2019, 01:29:36 PM »

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Somewhere along the line, Terry became a legend in his own mind. It took place right around the time he got the "Scary" handle.

Rozier is an anti-team player, just like Kyrie is... only Terry has much much less talent.

Sorry I'll pass.
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2019, 01:34:36 PM »

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There's very little downside to signing him, he doesn't have chemistry issues with anyone left on the team, or even Stevens, by all accounts.

The trick will be re-signing him at a number low enough so we can move him if we want to. He will immediately become our best "salary to match" in a trade.
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2019, 01:42:57 PM »

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If he shows some humility and remorse and willingness to be a team player.  Otherwise no
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2019, 02:04:20 PM »

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Quote from: PhoSita on June 23, 2019, 12:37:23 PM
Probably.

His value is low right now because of the year he had.

If he signs a 3-4 year deal for a reasonable annual figure and then puts up numbers similar to what he did in the 2018 playoffs in a full time starting role, he will be an asset.

The Celtics are in asset collection mode now.

As Rozier said, he "sacrificed for the team" and complained about Hayward taking his minutes.  :(
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Re: Are We Really Bringing Back Rozier??
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2019, 02:12:28 PM »

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Quote from: Roy H. on June 23, 2019, 01:22:30 PM
The reason Rozier would come back is that he’s got a relatively small cap hold, making it possible to both retain him and sign a big to a large contract.

This is about where we're at. But even the difference between his cap hold and actual salary are probably not as far apart as he once hoped.

I would gladly take Russell with the max and sign the best big men we can with the rest of the cap space and the Room Exception. Otherwise, Adams and Rozier here we come!
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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2019, 02:19:04 PM »

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Why not. Hes young and has shown the ability to be a 15-16ppg scorer in a starting role. You can always move him if he becomes a malcontent. and if he returns to form as that 16ppg player his value will only rise

But chances are he will be happy if he is a starter. He never became a problem until this year.

Why lose an asset for nothing?
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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2019, 02:22:46 PM »

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Quote from: Roy H. on June 23, 2019, 01:22:30 PM
Quote from: Silky on June 23, 2019, 01:18:49 PM
We have 3 point guards already on the roster.

Why not add another.
Might as well use the rest of the capspace on sg/sf combos as well.

Can never have to many of those.

Danny's objective is to corner the market on sg/sf combos.

Smart/edwards/waters
Brown/langford
Tatum/Hayward/Semi

I mean obviously we only have 3 pgs and 5 wing players. We need another pg, 2 more sg/sf and 1 more sf. Then we are set. Need to be 4 deep at each wing position.

We have 2 front court players....thats more than enough.


What good is having bigmen in the nba when we can be the only team to run a pg/pg/sg/sf/sf lineup.

The reason Rozier would come back is that he’s got a relatively small cap hold, making it possible to both retain him and sign a big to a large contract.

Yep.  It’s probably the best way of utilizing our cap space unless of course we get a top tier max guy, or if you feel we should go after Russell that I’m wishy washy on.
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