Time for Ainge to Retire?

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Ainge hasn't had the best 12 months of his career but anyone second guessing the Hayward signing is practicing revisionist history.  Everyone was pumped when he signed here.  Kyrie didn't work out but keeping IT wouldn't have worked out either. 

And for everyone pointing at Kawhai and Toronto - if Durant and Thompson don't get hurt, Toronto doesn't beat GS.

I was steaming mad when it happened, I'm still steaming mad. And it wasn't just me who hated it at the time. I remember a Bill Simmons podcast during the 2017 off-season, I think, where he had Haralabos Voulgaris on. You know, the guy who made millions off of betting on NBA games. Bill was gushing over the new Celtics, and how they'll dominate the east for years to come, and how Tatum will turn into the next Kobe and so on. When asked for his thoughts, Voulgaris paused, laughed in his face and said something like "No, just no". He was ouright mocking him. So no, not everyone thought this was a good move. This could've been avoided.

A GM who gets cold feet when he has to cash in his assets is useless, regardless of how many small deals he wins. We had five years to prepare for Davis (or any other top player) becoming available, instead everything's going down the drain.

Who was the genius who thought it was a good idea to go for a nutcase like Kyrie Irving? It's one thing if fans on an internet message board can't see past stats and hype, nobody expects them to, but it's basically the whole job description for a GM to identify the correct players.

This whole "In Ainge we trust" mantra has become a tired and worn out shtick, repeated ad nauseum by the same people who deluded themselves into the most optimistic perspective possible every step along they way. Every little move we made was supposedly part of Ainge's masterplan, and we were winning them all, and winning, and winning, and winning.

Turns out, there's no tiger blood in our tank, and every small sideway move that we did win now rings hollow, and was probably never all that important to begin with.

The simple truth of the matter is this: every single GM of every floundering franchise in the league could theoretically get their team into the play-offs. Draft the safest choice, overpay in free agency, trade good draft picks for disgruntled B-level stars. Takes you...maybe two years. You can make the play-offs that way, but you're never going to win a championship.
There is no mystery here, and being able to put a mildly successful team on the floor is not what distinguishes a good from a bad GM.

Yet, that seems to be exactly how Danny handled what we used to call "our treasure trove of assets". There is exactly zero reason, aside from the aforementioned delusion, to trust Danny with another rebuild and believe this time things will be different.

[cltc5]

Danny doesn’t need to retire.  Uneducated Celtic fans do

[mctyson]

We have gone from championship aspirations to hoping we sign...Russell? We have won nothing in over a decade. Kyrie and Al are history, and AD never wanted to come here for some reason.

With Ainge’s health issues, it may be time for him to retire so we can rebuild with a fresh approach? Thoughts?

If Ainge matched a 4 year, $25M per year offer for Horford to stay, would you be asking for Ainge to retire?

My guess is yes.

[Surferdad]

Hey, I'm disappointed too, but the overreaction is simply over-the-top.

Ainge DIDN'T chase Irving or Horford away. 
Ainge DIDN'T cause the chemistry issues that so many blame for their season. 
Ainge DIDN'T break Hayward's ankle.

Ainge DID acquire Irving, Horford and Hayward, three legitimate stars including some via free agency, which had not been done much by the C's previously.

Ainge DID hold on to a young core.

Ainge DIDN'T overpay for a broken down IT.

Ainge DID sign one of the best young coaches in the NBA.

[Neurotic Guy]

Absolutely not.  He miscalculated, but not sure what he could have done differently without clairvoyance.  If he'd known Kyrie was not coming back at the trade deadline, maybe he could have got 30 cents on the dollar, but not sure that would have made much of a difference.   

The only thing I can say right now is that had DA done the unwise thing and sent Tatum, Smart (and whatever else) to get AD I'd be stupidly feeling a lot better right now.   My disappointment in things going downhill for C's as they go uphill again for LAL clouds my judgement.   To have AD for a year would be have been a pacifying short-term fix, but a year from now I'd be wishing it hadn't happened. 

Danny miscalculated but I am very interested in seeing where he takes this from here.  He's made great moves in the past and I think he will again.

[Sketch5]

You know it's right before the draft when there are multiple Danny sucks, or Danny should get fired threads. LOL

[Donoghus]

You know it's right before the draft when there are multiple Danny sucks, or Danny should get fired threads. LOL

And they'll probably be more after the insta-armchair post draft analysis.

[Sketch5]

You know it's right before the draft when there are multiple Danny sucks, or Danny should get fired threads. LOL

And they'll probably be more after the insta-armchair post draft analysis.

And then 5 minutes into FA signings "Why hasn't DA landing a big FA yet?!"

[BMark]

I would say let him fix this situation and see where we are by mid-season. I do think Danny is the guy that can fix it as opposed to some other GMs. The other GM that I might have wanyted is now in New Orleans.

Masai Ujuri is the best GM right now.

Ask the Wizards' fans if they wish that DA had been their GM instead of Ernie Grunfeld over the last 15 years.  DA is clearly one of the top 5 in his job; he made the Cs contenders two separate times with essentially two completely different rosters.

[KG Living Legend]

 I second that notion.

[bdm860]

You know it's right before the draft when there are multiple Danny sucks, or Danny should get fired threads. LOL

And they'll probably be more after the insta-armchair post draft analysis.

I mean how can you take Brown at #3 ahead of Bender and Dunn?  Brown was projected to go #8.  How does Danny still have his job?


HE TRADED AWAY THE CONSENSUS #1 PICK?!?! TO PICK #3?!?! IN A 2 PLAYER DRAFT?!?!  Forget firing Danny, this one is on Wyc for letting Danny run wild for so long.  He needs to sell the team.

[nickagneta]

You know it's right before the draft when there are multiple Danny sucks, or Danny should get fired threads. LOL

And they'll probably be more after the insta-armchair post draft analysis.

I mean how can you take Brown at #3 ahead of Bender and Dunn?  Brown was projected to go #8.  How does Danny still have his job?


HE TRADED AWAY THE CONSENSUS #1 PICK?!?! TO PICK #3?!?! IN A 2 PLAYER DRAFT?!?!  Forget firing Danny, this one is on Wyc for letting Danny run wild for so long.  He needs to sell the team.

Strong in sarcasm this one is(I think)!

[mr. dee]

Probably, yes. I'm concerned about his health and managing the team and negotiating with players and teams can be really stressful.

Maybe its time for Mike Zarren to take over the office.

[BMark]

Blaming Ainge for our current circumstance is ridiculous... this is the very type of situation we need a GM like Ainge to guide us through. Ainge's management of our assets had us contending and rebuilding simultaneously!!!!! No other team was doing that... and we still have other assets in the treasure chest. If we "rebuild" it would be from a position where we already have an all-star on the roster and two #3 picks that are on the rise, with an all-defense 1st teamer.

Now the reality we face is that the 29 other teams are going to be making moves as well and some in more attractive markets... Ainge has no control over that. He put together a team that at the start of the season all media houses had us as the favourites. Now it hasn't worked out as planned and players are exercising their "options"... even so, we're still left with building blocks to rise up again, that's the NBA.

From the get-go there were several paths that we could take... this simply means the finished Celtics product may look a bit more like the Nuggets with several players pulling together as opposed to a star-driven Rockets, which is how we were with Kyrie.

Either way... future is bright.

Everyone makes mistakes but on balance DA has done a terrific job. I wish the Cs had sold high on Rosier last year

[Celtics4ever]

With Ainge’s health issues, it may be time for him to retire so we can rebuild with a fresh approach? Thoughts?

Hopefully the OP retires.....with his two post count.