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Report: Hayward favouritism caused issues
« on: June 19, 2019, 12:26:21 AM »

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As ESPN.com's Jackie MacMullan explained Tuesday on Arbella Early Edition, the coaching staff created problems by pushing the former All-Star.

"You hate to pick on Gordon Hayward because he was coming back from injury and he was doing the best he could, but I really think that's where it started," MacMullan said (h/t Michael Deprisco of NBC Sports). "They were force-feeding him on his teammates. Brad [Stevens] knew Gordon well. He wanted to get his confidence back." ....

"He gave the benefit of the doubt over and over to a player that wasn't ready, to a guy who had history with him, and it rankled that locker room, and it bothered that locker room," MacMullan said.

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This was obvious to me since training camp.
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Re: Report: Hayward favouritism caused issues
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2019, 12:29:18 AM »

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This is silly. Trying to get an all star player back in form is not favoritism, it's common sense.

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Yikes. This can't be good moving forward.
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I also think it grew due to some delusions of grandeur from some of our guys, chiefly Rozier
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"Hayward favouristim"?? I think you spelled Kyrie Irving wrong.

According to a bunch of people, he was, is, and always be the only issue the Celtics ever had.
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SF: Gordon Hayward/Demar Derozan
PF: Giannis Antetokounmpo/Robert Covington
C: Kristaps Porzingis/Bobby Portis/James Wiseman

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As ESPN.com's Jackie MacMullan explained Tuesday on Arbella Early Edition, the coaching staff created problems by pushing the former All-Star.

"You hate to pick on Gordon Hayward because he was coming back from injury and he was doing the best he could, but I really think that's where it started," MacMullan said (h/t Michael Deprisco of NBC Sports). "They were force-feeding him on his teammates. Brad [Stevens] knew Gordon well. He wanted to get his confidence back." ....

"He gave the benefit of the doubt over and over to a player that wasn't ready, to a guy who had history with him, and it rankled that locker room, and it bothered that locker room," MacMullan said.

when are they going to talk about the elephant in the room? Its not just Gordon's history with Brad that was the problem, was it.

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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2019, 12:33:05 AM »

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This is silly. Trying to get an all star player back in form is not favoritism, it's common sense.

not according to the new WOKE crowd,

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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2019, 12:33:37 AM »

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"Hayward favouristim"?? I think you spelled Kyrie Irving wrong.

According to a bunch of people, he was, is, and always be the only issue the Celtics ever had.
Rofl.

I do think Kyrie was a bigger issue than this was, but it was all just a crapheap
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PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2019, 12:33:42 AM »

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I also think it grew due to some delusions of grandeur from some of our guys, chiefly Rozier

I don't think it was even just Rozier, honestly. I could see Brown having issues - especially as Brad's had a short hook with him when he made mistakes. Same with Tatum. They're not entirely justified, but you can see how Gordon may have been viewed as the coach's pet.
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PG: Kyrie Irving/Patty Mills/Jalen Brunson
SG: OG Anunoby/Norman Powell/Matisse Thybulle
SF: Gordon Hayward/Demar Derozan
PF: Giannis Antetokounmpo/Robert Covington
C: Kristaps Porzingis/Bobby Portis/James Wiseman

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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2019, 12:35:32 AM »

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This is silly. Trying to get an all star player back in form is not favoritism, it's common sense.

not according to the new WOKE crowd,
I think it was more just an example of Brad refusing to discipline players when they play badly. Hayward gets down on himself when he played badly and compounded it, whereas Rozier, Morris and Tatum have this irrational confidence in themselves regardless of how they playing - which also compounded it, but in a different way.

I think this team was rife with entitlement
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PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

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This is silly. Trying to get an all star player back in form is not favoritism, it's common sense.

Yeah, imagine that. Trying to get your all-star back healthy and confident.

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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2019, 12:36:16 AM »

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I also think it grew due to some delusions of grandeur from some of our guys, chiefly Rozier

I don't think it was even just Rozier, honestly. I could see Brown having issues - especially as Brad's had a short hook with him when he made mistakes. Same with Tatum. They're not entirely justified, but you can see how Gordon may have been viewed as the coach's pet.
Yeah, this is where I was going with the post I just made! Too many players thought they were due more than they were given
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

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I also think it grew due to some delusions of grandeur from some of our guys, chiefly Rozier

I don't think it was even just Rozier, honestly. I could see Brown having issues - especially as Brad's had a short hook with him when he made mistakes. Same with Tatum. They're not entirely justified, but you can see how Gordon may have been viewed as the coach's pet.
Yeah, this is where I was going with the post I just made! Too many players thought they were due more than they were given

I think it was compounded by Brad's "hands off" coaching. There were reports right after the season ended that Brad generally let players police themselves and he tried to step in too late. This was the season where Brad really needed to adjust his coaching style to manage personalities and expectations in a way he hasn't before. He failed at it.
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SF: Gordon Hayward/Demar Derozan
PF: Giannis Antetokounmpo/Robert Covington
C: Kristaps Porzingis/Bobby Portis/James Wiseman

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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2019, 12:42:55 AM »

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This is silly. Trying to get an all star player back in form is not favoritism, it's common sense.

This.  If these players couldn’t understand the reason for the strategy, then we had a stupid team.