The Bash Danny Ainge thread

[Chris22]

What did he fail at?

The boo hoos are so silly. Are people this upset over AD NOT WANTING to come play in Boston?

He didn't want to be here and I didnt want to sit through a season of listening him pouting because he wants to be in LA.

Bingo. We have a good team and five first round picks.

We have some nice young players and plenty of ways to build a fun, solid, sustainable team.

Do we have a realistic or obvious path to contention?

Yes.

Let Horford and Hayward leave, and then sign a max player who can bring us a championship.

It's not rocket science.

Who?

This becomes a lot harder if you actually look at the max guys set to become available in the next few years.

Nobody knows who will be available. Things change over time.

So in other words "who knows I'm sure they'll figure something out"

In other words, Ainge should never have signed Hayward to such a big contract. I did not like it at the time, and it looks terrible now.

It's impossible to grade that signing. No one could have predicted that Hayward would suffer an injury that would keep him out a full season and then cripple him for the next.

Kevin Durant would have been a bad signing too if he tore his achilles 6 minutes into his Celtics career.

Hayward was never a max player. Bad signing.

[Mahk E Mahk]

I'm hoping that I'm wrong on Tatum. By all accounts it seems that the Celtics view Tatum as a potential superstar and I don't see it. If Tatum does become a top 10 player then I will have a very different opinion on the outcome of this year than I do know.

Right now it just feels that we lost.

A championship rotation of Irving/Smart/Brown/Hayward/Morris/Horford/Davis/Baynes was in reach. So annoyingly close. That will hurt for some time. Now we have to lick our wounds, accept our situation, don't do anything rash and build in silence.

Ainge and Stevens have made many mistakes this year, but despite the damage the Celtics could be in a worse spot. And both have done too many great things to want to have them fired over this debacle.

how do you know it was in reach? danny can’t force kyrie to re-sign, and it seemed clear that AD was never going to re-sign, if traded to the c’s. the only thing truthfully “in reach” was the option to give away far too much in trade for a one year rental, who didn’t want to be here. kudos to danny for taking the long view, as opposed to a one-year, all-in bet on a championship next year.

and what does “build in silence” even mean? the handwringing by a few folks is puzzling.

[PAOBoston]

What did he fail at?

The boo hoos are so silly. Are people this upset over AD NOT WANTING to come play in Boston?

He didn't want to be here and I didnt want to sit through a season of listening him pouting because he wants to be in LA.

Bingo. We have a good team and five first round picks.

We have some nice young players and plenty of ways to build a fun, solid, sustainable team.

Do we have a realistic or obvious path to contention?

Yes.

Let Horford and Hayward leave, and then sign a max player who can bring us a championship.

It's not rocket science.

Who?

This becomes a lot harder if you actually look at the max guys set to become available in the next few years.

Nobody knows who will be available. Things change over time.

So in other words "who knows I'm sure they'll figure something out"

In other words, Ainge should never have signed Hayward to such a big contract. I did not like it at the time, and it looks terrible now.

It's impossible to grade that signing. No one could have predicted that Hayward would suffer an injury that would keep him out a full season and then cripple him for the next.

Kevin Durant would have been a bad signing too if he tore his achilles 6 minutes into his Celtics career.

Hayward was never a max player. Bad signing.

This is false. We were really robbed of seeing why Hayward can really do. It’s unfortunate the injury happened 5 minutes into his Cs career. It really could have been so different today. It is probably the central moment in the rebuild for Ainge. That moment changed everything.

[Chris22]

What did he fail at?

The boo hoos are so silly. Are people this upset over AD NOT WANTING to come play in Boston?

He didn't want to be here and I didnt want to sit through a season of listening him pouting because he wants to be in LA.

Bingo. We have a good team and five first round picks.

We have some nice young players and plenty of ways to build a fun, solid, sustainable team.

Do we have a realistic or obvious path to contention?

Yes.

Let Horford and Hayward leave, and then sign a max player who can bring us a championship.

It's not rocket science.

Who?

This becomes a lot harder if you actually look at the max guys set to become available in the next few years.

Nobody knows who will be available. Things change over time.

So in other words "who knows I'm sure they'll figure something out"

In other words, Ainge should never have signed Hayward to such a big contract. I did not like it at the time, and it looks terrible now.

It's impossible to grade that signing. No one could have predicted that Hayward would suffer an injury that would keep him out a full season and then cripple him for the next.

Kevin Durant would have been a bad signing too if he tore his achilles 6 minutes into his Celtics career.

Hayward was never a max player. Bad signing.

This is false. We were really robbed of seeing why Hayward can really do. It’s unfortunate the injury happened 5 minutes into his Cs career. It really could have been so different today. It is probably the central moment in the rebuild for Ainge. That moment changed everything.

Hayward was never a max player. Even in Utah.

If you look at his shooting percentages at the end of this year, they are about the same as in Utah.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

 Well it's official. He failed. Defend him if you please. This was the last domino. I listened to Larbrd plead with me that this has always been about Davis.

 I agreed I'll wait until the end and the end times is here. Fire Danny. Hire Masai at all costs. GM more important than Stevens that's for sure.

 No Paul George, Butler, Davis, Cousins, Kawhi. Fire Danny!

[LarBrd33]

I'm not necessarily mad at Ainge.  I completely understand why people are angry though.  They are recognizing that Ainge held all his cards, passed on George, passed on Butler, passed on Kawhi... only to find that Davis wasn't a possibility. Now, our assets are diminishing in value (outside of Tatum). Brown is a decently valued player on the verge of getting paid in a year - which subsequently drops his trade value (which is why the Pelicans didn't want a package built around him). Kings pick ended up a dud. Kyrie is on the verge of bailing in large part, because we don't have the supporting cast to contend. Meanwhile there's crap out of Ainge's control that just blew up in our face ... namely, Hayward signing a max deal and promptly having his career derailed.

You're just seeing frustrated fans coming to terms with the reality that we may be marching out a line-up of Rozier, Smart, Tatum, Morris and HOrford with Brown and Hayward off the bench. A team that generously projects to win about 35-43 games. A team that isn't likely to contend at any point in the next 5 years unless Tatum takes a leap from solid starter to NBA superstar.

What you're seeing is fans coming to grips with the fact we are stepping into irrelevance, Danny's gamble didn't pay off, and we just set back the timeline to 2021 at the earliest (if we can become a player in that free agent class).

Really, it's fine... it just sucks to come so close to feeling like you're on the verge of being a true contender - only to see yourself get kicked down to the ranks of the Pistons and Orlando Magic with no reasonable hope of contending in the near-to-distant future. I'm sure Ainge is deflated as well. Hopefully, he's got the energy to stick around and see where this goes over the next several years. NO doubt, this Summer is shaping up to be a massive bummer, but for perspective think of how a team like the Knicks is going to feel if Kemba joins the Lakers and Kyrie/Butler join the Nets.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

It has become so hard to be a fan of this team under Danny Ainge. He hoards his young guys at the expense of Superstars. He signed Hayward over trading for Paul George.


We have no path to contention and Kyrie is leaving. Ainge never built the team around Kyrie and he got frustrated. Stars are like that.


Until Danny is gone, I'm done with basketball.

SEE YA!

[PAOBoston]

What did he fail at?

The boo hoos are so silly. Are people this upset over AD NOT WANTING to come play in Boston?

He didn't want to be here and I didnt want to sit through a season of listening him pouting because he wants to be in LA.

Bingo. We have a good team and five first round picks.

We have some nice young players and plenty of ways to build a fun, solid, sustainable team.

Do we have a realistic or obvious path to contention?

Yes.

Let Horford and Hayward leave, and then sign a max player who can bring us a championship.

It's not rocket science.

Who?

This becomes a lot harder if you actually look at the max guys set to become available in the next few years.

Nobody knows who will be available. Things change over time.

So in other words "who knows I'm sure they'll figure something out"

In other words, Ainge should never have signed Hayward to such a big contract. I did not like it at the time, and it looks terrible now.

It's impossible to grade that signing. No one could have predicted that Hayward would suffer an injury that would keep him out a full season and then cripple him for the next.

Kevin Durant would have been a bad signing too if he tore his achilles 6 minutes into his Celtics career.

Hayward was never a max player. Bad signing.

This is false. We were really robbed of seeing why Hayward can really do. It’s unfortunate the injury happened 5 minutes into his Cs career. It really could have been so different today. It is probably the central moment in the rebuild for Ainge. That moment changed everything.

Hayward was never a max player. Even in Utah.

If you look at his shooting percentages at the end of this year, they are about the same as in Utah.

A max player is what the CBA dictates is a max player. It’s the cost of doing business in FA. Based off that, Hayward is a max player. If the Cs didn’t offer that, he would have taken the same deal with a different team.

[Seymour scagnetti]

I think that there is a handful of max players in the nba. Guys get overpaid , and that is the deal. If Boston didn't pay Hayward, another team would have. Acquire  as much talent as you fiscally can. It just didn't work out for Ainge,yet, he will keep on trying.

[RodyTur10]

I'm hoping that I'm wrong on Tatum. By all accounts it seems that the Celtics view Tatum as a potential superstar and I don't see it. If Tatum does become a top 10 player then I will have a very different opinion on the outcome of this year than I do know.

Right now it just feels that we lost.

A championship rotation of Irving/Smart/Brown/Hayward/Morris/Horford/Davis/Baynes was in reach. So annoyingly close. That will hurt for some time. Now we have to lick our wounds, accept our situation, don't do anything rash and build in silence.

Ainge and Stevens have made many mistakes this year, but despite the damage the Celtics could be in a worse spot. And both have done too many great things to want to have them fired over this debacle.

how do you know it was in reach? danny can’t force kyrie to re-sign, and it seemed clear that AD was never going to re-sign, if traded to the c’s. the only thing truthfully “in reach” was the option to give away far too much in trade for a one year rental, who didn’t want to be here. kudos to danny for taking the long view, as opposed to a one-year, all-in bet on a championship next year.

and what does “build in silence” even mean? the handwringing by a few folks is puzzling.

I'm sure Kyrie didn't know a year ago that he wouldn't re-sign. All that went wrong in the Celtics organization this year has been a massive reason why this scenario didn't work out. That doesn't mean it was unrealistic.

Just a couple of days ago many Celtics fans would have believed that Irving and Davis could be on the team next season (and perhaps many more). And it's quite apparent that Tatum was the big eye catcher for the Pelicans, dealing Tatum + filler and some picks would have been enough to land Davis.

'Build in silence' means that we're done with making big moves for now. The league (and fans) had a lot of attention on what the Celtics would do to make the next step, I'd even argue that we were the center of the NBA (besides GSW). Now we can go back to developing the youngsters without all the rumours and expectations.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

I like it.

Keep our young core and get rid of Kyrie. Five first round picks over the next two years.

right let's lose proven players and NOT trade for proven players and hope and pray all these draftees pan out as stars. 

[chiken Green]

This might be hard for some to stomach, but the team is actually better when its filled with people who actually want to be here.
I happen to really believe in the young J's and Look forward to seeing them grow into their appropriate positions... BS is the perfect coach to help Groom these young men into Stars (the Same way Pop Did with KL....

Aren't we tired of begging for these uninterested guys into staying here... Being a Celtic isn't for everyone.. there is a lot of pressure here to live up to the rich Tradition. Everyone isnt made for it.. It's easier in other places.. not here.. We have to accept that..

[indeedproceed]

I hate that Danny Ainge doesn’t drink so that he can’t wallow properly before he goes and gets his eventual vengeance

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

hope everybody enjoyed our last two ECF appearances. may be a long time wil we see it again much less a finals with this hope and pray approach with draftees. year 6 of the rebuild commences with no end in sight

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[Yoki_IsTheName]

I like it.

Keep our young core and get rid of Kyrie. Five first round picks over the next two years.

right let's lose proven players and NOT trade for proven players and hope and pray all these draftees pan out as stars. 

Yes.

With the hand that was given to us, with AD and his camp adamant that they won't stay, to Kyrie being weird, I'd really rather have this than gamble, and go dark for the next few years.