No kyrie, no davis, no problem

[Silky]

Just build around the kids.

Kyrie S&T and pick 22 to Brooklyn for Dinwiddie and Musa.

Brooklyn saves enough to add a second star and resign russell.


For boston they net Dinwddie, but also would get a 22 million tpe.

Second deal would be to trade the tpe for Whiteside.

Miami get out of that big contract immediately.

This nets the Celtics a Big body who can rebound and block shots and most importantly, move Horford to the pf spot.

Nyk is looking to dump Frank ntikilina for a first round pick according to reports, so boston should take that deal with pick 20 in the draft. Netting the celtics a capable backup pg who can defend and is working hard on his shooting.

Next Full MLE at Pat Beverly. Pat gets double the salary and comes here making a defensive terror with smart off the bench.

Picks 14 on Samanic
pick 20 on bpa




Boston rolls out with a terrifying defensive team capable on knocking down shots and attacking the rim.

Team has the flexibily to go small ball with Al at center and Tatum at PF to close out games.

Team would be a defensive nightmare and has outstanding depth. Scoring should not drop at all with Tatum becoming focal point of offense and Hayward dominating off the bench.


Dinwiddie/Beverly/Frank
Brown/Smart/Gibson
Tatum/Hayward/Semi
Horford/Samanic/Yabusele
Whiteside/Baynes/Williams.

[Diggles]

Can't see the Nets helping the Celtics out like this.   When they could use another team not in their division to create cap space.   

[Silky]

Can't see the Nets helping the Celtics out like this.   When they could use another team not in their division to create cap space.

cannot see teams with capspace wanting to give it up for Dinwiddie.

I like Dinwiddie, but the teams that have the space to absorb him outright either
A) Dont need a pg/sg combo player at 10 mill per season
B) are chasing far bigger fish

[fubar089]

Can't see the Nets helping the Celtics out like this.

Yeah I don't foresee the Nets aiding the Celtics at all after the Danny fleecing.

[Silky]

Can't see the Nets helping the Celtics out like this.

Yeah I don't foresee the Nets aiding the Celtics at all after the Danny fleecing.

this lets them keep Russell and sign either Durant or Butler to pair with Irving.

The past is the Past, they no longer have the same front office, so this new front office would hold no grudge.

Marks is a smart guy.

Being able to make this deal has a net result for Brooklyn of
Irving, Russell and either Durant or Butler.

Not making the deal means they would need to trade Dinwiddie plus another asset(no one is going to take salary to help Nets get 2 max free agents AND keep russell for free) to a team that is willing to take Dinwiddie on for nothing.

[footey]

Just build around the kids.

Kyrie S&T and pick 22 to Brooklyn for Dinwiddie and Musa.

Brooklyn saves enough to add a second star and resign russell.


For boston they net Dinwddie, but also would get a 22 million tpe.

Second deal would be to trade the tpe for Whiteside.

Miami get out of that big contract immediately.

This nets the Celtics a Big body who can rebound and block shots and most importantly, move Horford to the pf spot.

Nyk is looking to dump Frank ntikilina for a first round pick according to reports, so boston should take that deal with pick 20 in the draft. Netting the celtics a capable backup pg who can defend and is working hard on his shooting.

Next Full MLE at Pat Beverly. Pat gets double the salary and comes here making a defensive terror with smart off the bench.

Picks 14 on Samanic
pick 20 on bpa




Boston rolls out with a terrifying defensive team capable on knocking down shots and attacking the rim.

Team has the flexibily to go small ball with Al at center and Tatum at PF to close out games.

Team would be a defensive nightmare and has outstanding depth. Scoring should not drop at all with Tatum becoming focal point of offense and Hayward dominating off the bench.


Dinwiddie/Beverly/Frank
Brown/Smart/Gibson
Tatum/Hayward/Semi
Horford/Samanic/Yabusele
Whiteside/Baynes/Williams.

Samanic at 14? Dude is projected a 2nd round pick.

I like the Frank Ntilikina idea, good thought. He can still work out in the NBA, very young.

Hate the Whiteside idea; just keep him away from the Celtics.  Bad attitude, no outside game, no thank you.

[drogbagarnett]

I really like your idea man!!

If it makes it easier for Brooklyn to get Kyrie and add a Top free agent along with him then this makes total sense to me!

However, I'm not feeling Frank Ntikila and Whiteside has good options here...

I would rather get Alonso Trier from NYK if possible or Delon Wright from Memphis instead and maybe Alex Len as a better option than Whiteside... and try to get Joe Harris with Dinwiddie instead of the big TPE...

We could look something like :

Dinwiddie/Delon Wright (or Alonso Trier)/Gibson
Tatum/Smart/Harris
Hayward/Brown/Semi
Horford/Morris/Samanic
Len/Baynes/Williams

[PhoSita]

Setting aside all the other stuff, no thank you on Whiteside.

We're just getting done dealing with Kyrie Irving for two years, now you want to saddle us with Whiteside? 

How about a team without any perpetually-unhappy guys on it? That's what I'd like to see.

[Silky]

Setting aside all the other stuff, no thank you on Whiteside.

We're just getting done dealing with Kyrie Irving for two years, now you want to saddle us with Whiteside? 

How about a team without any perpetually-unhappy guys on it? That's what I'd like to see.

I think the whiteside stuff is a little overblown.

He doesnt like the way that Miami forces him to play, and would like to take shots and shoot 3s but isnt allowed.

add to that them signing him to a big contract only to turn around and draft a replacement.

I would be miffed as well.

And he is expiring contract

[jambr380]

Yeah, I think we've both talked about Dinwiddie before and how he would be a good consolation prize. I also agree with your assessment that it would actually benefit the Nets as they could then go forward with Irving, Russell, and somebody like Harris.

It's been discussed doing the same thing with Russell, but that would cost us more assets and the Nets give up one of their best assets. I like Dinwiddie and think he would fit in well here.

But, sorry man, no way on Whiteside

[Sketch5]

Just build around the kids.

Kyrie S&T and pick 22 to Brooklyn for Dinwiddie and Musa.

Brooklyn saves enough to add a second star and resign russell.


For boston they net Dinwddie, but also would get a 22 million tpe.

Second deal would be to trade the tpe for Whiteside.

Miami get out of that big contract immediately.

This nets the Celtics a Big body who can rebound and block shots and most importantly, move Horford to the pf spot.

Nyk is looking to dump Frank ntikilina for a first round pick according to reports, so boston should take that deal with pick 20 in the draft. Netting the celtics a capable backup pg who can defend and is working hard on his shooting.

Next Full MLE at Pat Beverly. Pat gets double the salary and comes here making a defensive terror with smart off the bench.

Picks 14 on Samanic
pick 20 on bpa




Boston rolls out with a terrifying defensive team capable on knocking down shots and attacking the rim.

Team has the flexibily to go small ball with Al at center and Tatum at PF to close out games.

Team would be a defensive nightmare and has outstanding depth. Scoring should not drop at all with Tatum becoming focal point of offense and Hayward dominating off the bench.


Dinwiddie/Beverly/Frank
Brown/Smart/Gibson
Tatum/Hayward/Semi
Horford/Samanic/Yabusele
Whiteside/Baynes/Williams.

Samanic at 14? Dude is projected a 2nd round pick.

I like the Frank Ntilikina idea, good thought. He can still work out in the NBA, very young.

Hate the Whiteside idea; just keep him away from the Celtics.  Bad attitude, no outside game, no thank you.

I like Frank too. Saw a video of him locking Irving down in a game, which was quite impressive. Kid's still only 20 so there is hope, and in short minutes he can get a lot of assists up. Love to bring in some one like Rubio with Frank backing him up for a season or two.

Every one wants a scoring PG which I get thats were the league is at, but I think some one who can get the offense going but score when needed and player really good D would make the team so much better.

Hate the Whitside Idea. Maybe 4 or 5 years ago when he was blowing up, but we have a new system and need a guy who can score out side of 10 feet.

[Silky]

Just build around the kids.

Kyrie S&T and pick 22 to Brooklyn for Dinwiddie and Musa.

Brooklyn saves enough to add a second star and resign russell.


For boston they net Dinwddie, but also would get a 22 million tpe.

Second deal would be to trade the tpe for Whiteside.

Miami get out of that big contract immediately.

This nets the Celtics a Big body who can rebound and block shots and most importantly, move Horford to the pf spot.

Nyk is looking to dump Frank ntikilina for a first round pick according to reports, so boston should take that deal with pick 20 in the draft. Netting the celtics a capable backup pg who can defend and is working hard on his shooting.

Next Full MLE at Pat Beverly. Pat gets double the salary and comes here making a defensive terror with smart off the bench.

Picks 14 on Samanic
pick 20 on bpa




Boston rolls out with a terrifying defensive team capable on knocking down shots and attacking the rim.

Team has the flexibily to go small ball with Al at center and Tatum at PF to close out games.

Team would be a defensive nightmare and has outstanding depth. Scoring should not drop at all with Tatum becoming focal point of offense and Hayward dominating off the bench.


Dinwiddie/Beverly/Frank
Brown/Smart/Gibson
Tatum/Hayward/Semi
Horford/Samanic/Yabusele
Whiteside/Baynes/Williams.

Samanic at 14? Dude is projected a 2nd round pick.

I like the Frank Ntilikina idea, good thought. He can still work out in the NBA, very young.

Hate the Whiteside idea; just keep him away from the Celtics.  Bad attitude, no outside game, no thank you.

I like Frank too. Saw a video of him locking Irving down in a game, which was quite impressive. Kid's still only 20 so there is hope, and in short minutes he can get a lot of assists up. Love to bring in some one like Rubio with Frank backing him up for a season or two.

Every one wants a scoring PG which I get thats were the league is at, but I think some one who can get the offense going but score when needed and player really good D would make the team so much better.

Hate the Whitside Idea. Maybe 4 or 5 years ago when he was blowing up, but we have a new system and need a guy who can score out side of 10 feet.

there are not many centers out there available for straight capspace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMgz8cfhNJg

[Evantime34]

I loved the title and the idea that we will be fine, I do not love the execution.

On one hand paying the Nets to make it a sign and trade so that we can have a TPE is a good idea. On the other hand, if Kyrie leaves us I want his time in Brooklyn to be miserable. Even then I don't think the Nets would do this because I don't see Russell and Kyrie as a playable back court. They already have the money for two max slots if they let Russell walk so I don't think they would help us out with a TPE to create extra space.

If we could somehow land Russell to compliment our young guys I would love that.

Honestly, I think if Kyrie walks and we run out a lineup of Smart, Brown, Hayward, Tatum and Horford that team has the upside of one of the East's top seeds. In fact I would expect that team to win more regular season games than this past season's team.

Really want no part of Whiteside. If we took on his contract the Heat would have to kick in an asset.

[hwangjini_1]

Setting aside all the other stuff, no thank you on Whiteside.

We're just getting done dealing with Kyrie Irving for two years, now you want to saddle us with Whiteside? 

How about a team without any perpetually-unhappy guys on it? That's what I'd like to see.

I think the whiteside stuff is a little overblown.

He doesnt like the way that Miami forces him to play, and would like to take shots and shoot 3s but isnt allowed.

add to that them signing him to a big contract only to turn around and draft a replacement.

I would be miffed as well.

And he is expiring contract

whiteside in 7 seasons and 343 nba games has taken a total of 18 3 pointers, and made 22.2% of them. in one year of college ball, he took a total of 5 3 pointers.

i have no idea how you formed your opinion that he (1) wants to shoot 3 pointers, or, (2) would be successful at them. a plausible alternative theory is that he isnt allowed to shoot 3 pointers by his coach because he is terrible at it.

also, add in that he is a career 59.3% FT shooter and that for his career he averages 0.6 assists per game. i just dont think he fits well with the celtics schemes.

[OldSchoolDude]

I think we can be really competitive a lot of different ways without Irving but not without Davis.
Without both we go all in on youth and that may mean no Horford.  There is a lot of talk to restructure his deal but that seems more to be around AD coming here.

with no Irving but AD we would likely start

PG: ? (Rubio/Rondo/Beverly)
SG: Brown
SF: Hayward
PF: Horford
C: Davis
Really good lineup and if we could some how swing the trade for Conley without giving up one of those four then It would be pretty sweet.  I can't see how the money for a Conley trad would work so maybe creating a trade exemption for Memphis but the Conley for Hayward deal I've heard rumor of doesn't make sens if we get AD so I think its the media playing with the trade machine.  If there is legit talk for a Conley trade I bet Ainge is trying to swing it some other way.

with no  Irving and No Davis
PG: Smart
SG: Brown
SF: Hayward
PF: Tatum
C: Baynes
Horford probably heads to a contender but even if he stayed would that really be a legit title contender?

So make some FA moves and/or trades.  looking at the OP suggested roster:

Dinwiddie/Beverly/Frank
Brown/Smart/Gibson
Tatum/Hayward/Semi
Horford/Samanic/Yabusele
Whiteside/Baynes/Williams.

Smart and Hayward on the bench is a problem.  I think the biggest issue that probably wasn't talked about with regards to the minutes issue was who we closed games with.   So do you close with smart, then brown is on the bench.  Do you close with Tatum, then Hayward is on the bench.  I don't see Patrick Beverly signing with us for probably less money than he can get somewhere else to come off the bench.  These guys all need to start and close games.  I think that was more of a real problem then Hayward starting, especially since he moved to the bench  for the second half of the season if not more, and came off the bench throughout the playoffs.   I think we learned this year that you can't have an all star bench, you need a role playing bench.   Going to the Bench for Avery Bradley is what I think caused more problems with resigning Ray Allan then personal issues with Rondo.