Bulpett: Kyrie still considering C's; C's want AD regardless of Kyrie's decision

[fubar089]

I would be totally satisfied with the following taking place:

1. Kyrie resigns.
2. Celtics trade Jaylen Brown + Marcus Smart + Guerschon Yabusele + Robert Williams + Memphis Pick for Anthony Davis.

Starting Five

Kyrie Irving
Gordon Hayward
Jayson Tatum
Anthony Davis
Al Horford

Bench
Aron Baynes
Daniel Theis
Semi Ojeleye
Sign Vet swing to replace Marcus Morris (Carmelo Anthony??)
Sign vet ball handler to replace Terry Rozier (Patrick Beverley??)
End of Bench: Draft Picks

A perimeter defence of Kyrie, Hayward & Tatum would be tough to watch on a lotta nights imo. That bench is bare, no scoring. I hope we move on from Theis. Carmelo? Yeah no thanks.

[GreenCoffeeBean]

KI and AD alone aren’t enough to be contenders. I think they both go to LA.

[Roy H.]

KI and AD alone aren’t enough to be contenders. I think they both go to LA.

They wouldn’t be alone. They’d be surrounded by Hayward, Horford, Brown, Baynes, maybe Morris, etc.

That team would contend.

[footey]

So basically, Bullpett is saying Kyrie could walk and AD could be a one-year rental.  Thanks a lot. 

I imagine the Celtics front office is strategically leaking this info for their own purposes.

[Birdman]

My guess is Kyrie will wait to see where Davis is going before making his decision..

[footey]

KI and AD alone aren’t enough to be contenders. I think they both go to LA.

They wouldn’t be alone. They’d be surrounded by Hayward, Horford, Brown, Baynes, maybe Morris, etc.

That team would contend.

Yeah, I think chemistry wise Brown fits better with our remaining team than Tatum. I realize Tatum has more upside, and trade value, but I like the chemistry better with Brown staying. He is more consistent defensively, and seems better adjusted to playing a supporting role rather than a leading role.

[ETNCeltics]

How one player fits vs. the other is irrelevant. We're talking about one season for a 21 year old who may be around for another dozen years. Sacrificing a potential franchise player based on his fit for one season is absurd and so short term minded it's absurd to even discuss.

If that's how short-term Danny's thinking is, he needs to be relieved of his duties, immediately.

[jambr380]

How one player fits vs. the other is irrelevant. We're talking about one season for a 21 year old who may be around for another dozen years. Sacrificing a potential franchise player based on his fit for one season is absurd and so short term minded it's absurd to even discuss.

If that's how short-term Danny's thinking is, he needs to be relieved of his duties, immediately.

As much as I love Brown and believe in his potential, I would rather hang on to Tatum. Not only does he have an extra year left on his contract, but I believe his value around the league is higher.

Now, if it comes down to Brown/Mem pick or Tatum/#22, then I probably lean towards keeping Brown. I do believe he fits slightly better and I really don't want Danny to give up our last premium pick - especially with no guarantees from AD's future.

[seancally]

How one player fits vs. the other is irrelevant. We're talking about one season for a 21 year old who may be around for another dozen years. Sacrificing a potential franchise player based on his fit for one season is absurd and so short term minded it's absurd to even discuss.

If that's how short-term Danny's thinking is, he needs to be relieved of his duties, immediately.

Sacrificing a 21-year-old for a chance to contend for a title is not absurd, it's the cost of doing business.

[ETNCeltics]

How one player fits vs. the other is irrelevant. We're talking about one season for a 21 year old who may be around for another dozen years. Sacrificing a potential franchise player based on his fit for one season is absurd and so short term minded it's absurd to even discuss.

If that's how short-term Danny's thinking is, he needs to be relieved of his duties, immediately.

As much as I love Brown and believe in his potential, I would rather hang on to Tatum. Not only does he have an extra year left on his contract, but I believe his value around the league is higher.

Now, if it comes down to Brown/Mem pick or Tatum/#22, then I probably lean towards keeping Brown. I do believe he fits slightly better and I really don't want Danny to give up our last premium pick - especially with no guarantees from AD's future.

I love Brown as well, and hope we hold on to both of them. I think if we can find a pg who fits with them, they'll be contending for the East in a couple years.

But frankly, I'd give up Brown and all of the aforementioned draft picks before I'd trade Tatum. He's far and away the best asset of anything discussed in the AD trade, be it from the Celtics or anyone else.

[jambr380]

How one player fits vs. the other is irrelevant. We're talking about one season for a 21 year old who may be around for another dozen years. Sacrificing a potential franchise player based on his fit for one season is absurd and so short term minded it's absurd to even discuss.

If that's how short-term Danny's thinking is, he needs to be relieved of his duties, immediately.

As much as I love Brown and believe in his potential, I would rather hang on to Tatum. Not only does he have an extra year left on his contract, but I believe his value around the league is higher.

Now, if it comes down to Brown/Mem pick or Tatum/#22, then I probably lean towards keeping Brown. I do believe he fits slightly better and I really don't want Danny to give up our last premium pick - especially with no guarantees from AD's future.

I love Brown as well, and hope we hold on to both of them. I think if we can find a pg who fits with them, they'll be contending for the East in a couple years.

But frankly, I'd give up Brown and all of the aforementioned draft picks before I'd trade Tatum. He's far and away the best asset of anything discussed in the AD trade, be it from the Celtics or anyone else.

I totally respect your point of view - Tatum is still considered in that uppermost echelon of young players. Mine has more to do with the MEM pick and I guess we all saw how that worked out with SAC this year. Remember before the season we were all worried it would land at #1 and go to Philly? Yeah, that didn't happen.

[footey]

How one player fits vs. the other is irrelevant. We're talking about one season for a 21 year old who may be around for another dozen years. Sacrificing a potential franchise player based on his fit for one season is absurd and so short term minded it's absurd to even discuss.

If that's how short-term Danny's thinking is, he needs to be relieved of his duties, immediately.

You exaggerate the projected differences between Tatum and Brown.

Plus chemistry next year is extremely important, as witnessed by the lack thereof this past season.  Could be the difference between winning a championship next season, and not.  If we win, that greatly enhances the likelihood that Kyrie and Davis stick around.

[keevsnick]

Great update


The logic that he "wants to go to Brooklyn" cuz he signs with an agency where the owner is from brooklyn makes no sense. 99% of roc nation players don't play for Brooklyn

Also that agency has ties to the nets ownership. Why would you voluntarily lose leverage like that? Its like wanting to go to the Celtics and hiring  Austin Ainge to negotiate with danny

Well the logic is more "players who are just planning on resigning generally don't switch agents."

[ETNCeltics]

How one player fits vs. the other is irrelevant. We're talking about one season for a 21 year old who may be around for another dozen years. Sacrificing a potential franchise player based on his fit for one season is absurd and so short term minded it's absurd to even discuss.

If that's how short-term Danny's thinking is, he needs to be relieved of his duties, immediately.

Sacrificing a 21-year-old for a chance to contend for a title is not absurd, it's the cost of doing business.

One year of AD, with probably no Kyrie, and if Kyrie is back, he's still the same dysfunctional mess, is not truly contending. AD is a great player, but he isn't going to magically cure all the ills of last season.

Sacrificing everything that was built from the Nets trade for a one year shot with AD is so stupid, there's no way to appropriately put it into words.

[keevsnick]

How one player fits vs. the other is irrelevant. We're talking about one season for a 21 year old who may be around for another dozen years. Sacrificing a potential franchise player based on his fit for one season is absurd and so short term minded it's absurd to even discuss.

If that's how short-term Danny's thinking is, he needs to be relieved of his duties, immediately.

As much as I love Brown and believe in his potential, I would rather hang on to Tatum. Not only does he have an extra year left on his contract, but I believe his value around the league is higher.

Now, if it comes down to Brown/Mem pick or Tatum/#22, then I probably lean towards keeping Brown. I do believe he fits slightly better and I really don't want Danny to give up our last premium pick - especially with no guarantees from AD's future.

I love Brown as well, and hope we hold on to both of them. I think if we can find a pg who fits with them, they'll be contending for the East in a couple years.

But frankly, I'd give up Brown and all of the aforementioned draft picks before I'd trade Tatum. He's far and away the best asset of anything discussed in the AD trade, be it from the Celtics or anyone else.

I totally respect your point of view - Tatum is still considered in that uppermost echelon of young players. Mine has more to do with the MEM pick and I guess we all saw how that worked out with SAC this year. Remember before the season we were all worried it would land at #1 and go to Philly? Yeah, that didn't happen.

I can understand this opinion, I just don't think there's as much difference between the best Brown and Tatum could be as some think. Like I don't see Tatum as a top 10 player in the league level guy. In any event I think its kind of a moot point since there is IMO a near zero percent chance the deal doesn't involve Tatum. Right now Ainge is starting low, offering brown, but eventually Tatum is gonna be in it probably with fewer picks (or maybe we figure out a way to keep Smart). Start negotiations low.