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A what if Cs,Rocket,Laker, and ATL trade (idea)
« on: June 09, 2019, 05:40:53 PM »

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Floating this out there.

If (when) Irving leaves, (assuming no AD trade). We all know AL has to decide on his future. As many have speculated he many want to ring hunt and not stick with a Tatum/Brown core rebuild.

It has also been rumored that the Cs and Rockets have discussed a Capela deal.

Others trades that have been speculated include ATL wanting to trade up and the Lakers needing to add win now players around Lebron. This trade assumes the Lakers do not win AD sweepstakes ( or at least #4 is not part of deal.


The trade

Rockets get Horford, #20, and #22

Lakers get E Gordon #10, and #14

ATL gets #4

Celtics get Capela and #8


I would then assume the Lakers will look to other teams looking to move vets for picks.

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Skip pick 1-3

4. ATL.  Reddish
5  Cavs. Culver
6.  Suns Garland
7.  Bulls White
8   Celtics Hunter * maybe take Doumbouya given his size and much higher ceiling but Hunter fits with young core
9.  Wiz Doumbouya
10. LAL Washington

The Celtics reload with Hunter and Capela

The Hawks add a dynamic high ceiling player in reddish

The rockets become a better playoff team with AL and likely add two role players in the 20s

The Lakers add a nice vet next to Lebron while not effecting their assets or long term cap
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Re: A what if Cs,Rocket,Laker, and ATL trade (idea)
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2019, 06:13:49 PM »

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I just don't see Celtics and Lakers in a trade together. Putting that aside, it is a creative structure. Not sure how I feel about Hunter. Impressive in championship game, but was hoping for more length to play power forward for us.

I hadn't thought of Horford being traded for Capella. Why not just package Gordon with Capella for Horford? That seems fair, subject to salary matching.

Re: A what if Cs,Rocket,Laker, and ATL trade (idea)
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2019, 06:25:32 PM »

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I just don't see Celtics and Lakers in a trade together. Putting that aside, it is a creative structure. Not sure how I feel about Hunter. Impressive in championship game, but was hoping for more length to play power forward for us.

I hadn't thought of Horford being traded for Capella. Why not just package Gordon with Capella for Horford? That seems fair, subject to salary matching.

With Hunter length isn’t the issue he is 6’8 likely around 230 with a 7’2” wingspan. His perimeter defense could make the Cs over all D elite . With Smart, Brown,Tatum,Hunter and Capela the Cs May have the most switchable 5 in the NBA without sacrificing positional size. Issue is that he is likely limited to an Ariza like offenseive role. The other option I see is Doumbouya he is really young and raw but has good size 6’9 225 6’11 wingspan at 19 years old. His offensive ceiling is much higher then Hunters.

As for trade dynamics Horford and Hayward make to much to combine for Capela. Horford for Capela and Gordon should work under the cba
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Re: A what if Cs,Rocket,Laker, and ATL trade (idea)
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2019, 07:08:11 PM »

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I just don't see Celtics and Lakers in a trade together. Putting that aside, it is a creative structure. Not sure how I feel about Hunter. Impressive in championship game, but was hoping for more length to play power forward for us.

I hadn't thought of Horford being traded for Capella. Why not just package Gordon with Capella for Horford? That seems fair, subject to salary matching.

With Hunter length isn’t the issue he is 6’8 likely around 230 with a 7’2” wingspan. His perimeter defense could make the Cs over all D elite . With Smart, Brown,Tatum,Hunter and Capela the Cs May have the most switchable 5 in the NBA without sacrificing positional size. Issue is that he is likely limited to an Ariza like offenseive role. The other option I see is Doumbouya he is really young and raw but has good size 6’9 225 6’11 wingspan at 19 years old. His offensive ceiling is much higher then Hunters.

As for trade dynamics Horford and Hayward make to much to combine for Capela. Horford for Capela and Gordon should work under the cba
Horford for Capela and Gordon makes some sense. Would hate to give up Al though.

Re: A what if Cs,Rocket,Laker, and ATL trade (idea)
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2019, 07:56:43 PM »

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I just don't see Celtics and Lakers in a trade together. Putting that aside, it is a creative structure. Not sure how I feel about Hunter. Impressive in championship game, but was hoping for more length to play power forward for us.

I hadn't thought of Horford being traded for Capella. Why not just package Gordon with Capella for Horford? That seems fair, subject to salary matching.

With Hunter length isn’t the issue he is 6’8 likely around 230 with a 7’2” wingspan. His perimeter defense could make the Cs over all D elite . With Smart, Brown,Tatum,Hunter and Capela the Cs May have the most switchable 5 in the NBA without sacrificing positional size. Issue is that he is likely limited to an Ariza like offenseive role. The other option I see is Doumbouya he is really young and raw but has good size 6’9 225 6’11 wingspan at 19 years old. His offensive ceiling is much higher then Hunters.

As for trade dynamics Horford and Hayward make to much to combine for Capela. Horford for Capela and Gordon should work under the cba
Horford for Capela and Gordon makes some sense. Would hate to give up Al though.

I would not move him unless he wants to move on
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Re: A what if Cs,Rocket,Laker, and ATL trade (idea)
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2019, 01:43:52 AM »

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I just don't see Celtics and Lakers in a trade together. Putting that aside, it is a creative structure. Not sure how I feel about Hunter. Impressive in championship game, but was hoping for more length to play power forward for us.

I hadn't thought of Horford being traded for Capella. Why not just package Gordon with Capella for Horford? That seems fair, subject to salary matching.

With Hunter length isn’t the issue he is 6’8 likely around 230 with a 7’2” wingspan. His perimeter defense could make the Cs over all D elite . With Smart, Brown,Tatum,Hunter and Capela the Cs May have the most switchable 5 in the NBA without sacrificing positional size. Issue is that he is likely limited to an Ariza like offenseive role. The other option I see is Doumbouya he is really young and raw but has good size 6’9 225 6’11 wingspan at 19 years old. His offensive ceiling is much higher then Hunters.

As for trade dynamics Horford and Hayward make to much to combine for Capela. Horford for Capela and Gordon should work under the cba
Horford for Capela and Gordon makes some sense. Would hate to give up Al though.

I would not move him unless he wants to move on

Agree.  Only if Al asked for the trade to a contender.  Playoff Horford is so good. 

I think Celts and Atlanta give up a bit too much and Rockets and Lakers come out too well.  The following is attempt to tweak.

to Atlanta:   pick 4, 22 and 51
to Lakers:    Gordon and pick 10 (possibly add pick 42)
to Rockets:  Horford, pick 20 and pick 35.
To Celtics:   Capela and pick 8 (C's keep pick 14)

Celtics give Horford, pick 20, 22 and 51, for Capela and pick 8.   In this crazy draft, it's still a gamble for the C's.  20 or 22 could end up better players than #8.  But overall it's a gamble I like if Horford wants to move to a contender next year.

Re: A what if Cs,Rocket,Laker, and ATL trade (idea)
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2019, 06:28:54 AM »

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No horford for capella.


Hayward to detroit.

Reggie jackson, Jon leuer, robert williams and pick 51 to houston

Eric gordon and clint capela to boston.

Detroit gets shooting and playmaking from the wing(desparately needed)
Ish/fa
Galloway
Hayward
Blake
Drummond

Houston get more depth. (Desparately needed)
Paul(if not traded)
Harden
Pj
Leuer
Williams

Boston gets a young anchor and a sharpshooter. (Desparately needed)

Smart
Brown/gordon
Tatum
Horford
Capela


Re: A what if Cs,Rocket,Laker, and ATL trade (idea)
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2019, 06:36:36 AM »

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No horford for capella.


Hayward to detroit.

Reggie jackson, Jon leuer, robert williams and pick 51 to houston

Eric gordon and clint capela to boston.

Detroit gets shooting and playmaking from the wing(desparately needed)
Ish/fa
Galloway
Hayward
Blake
Drummond

Houston get more depth. (Desparately needed)
Paul(if not traded)
Harden
Pj
Leuer
Williams

Boston gets a young anchor and a sharpshooter. (Desparately needed)

Smart
Brown/gordon
Tatum
Horford
Capela
Why on earth do Houston do this?? They're trying to surround with more stars, not useless players for them like Leuer and Williams, or overpaid guys who can't shoot anything better than average like Jackson.
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PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: A what if Cs,Rocket,Laker, and ATL trade (idea)
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2019, 06:53:52 AM »

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No horford for capella.


Hayward to detroit.

Reggie jackson, Jon leuer, robert williams and pick 51 to houston

Eric gordon and clint capela to boston.

Detroit gets shooting and playmaking from the wing(desparately needed)
Ish/fa
Galloway
Hayward
Blake
Drummond

Houston get more depth. (Desparately needed)
Paul(if not traded)
Harden
Pj
Leuer
Williams

Boston gets a young anchor and a sharpshooter. (Desparately needed)

Smart
Brown/gordon
Tatum
Horford
Capela
Why on earth do Houston do this?? They're trying to surround with more stars, not useless players for them like Leuer and Williams, or overpaid guys who can't shoot anything better than average like Jackson.

they wont get stars by trading players that are not stars.

And they do not need more shooters, but they need a guy who can change the pace off the bench as a sparkplug (jackson)
They need a floor spacing PF (Leuer)
Williams is cheap depth in the front court.

They still also have Paul to trade.


Capela will not get them Horford. That is not a fair trade for Boston as Capela is not on Horfords level.

Capela is a very good young center, but it remains to be seen how much value he has not playing beside harden. therefore that lowers his value, not increase it.




Re: A what if Cs,Rocket,Laker, and ATL trade (idea)
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2019, 07:55:02 AM »

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No horford for capella.


Hayward to detroit.

Reggie jackson, Jon leuer, robert williams and pick 51 to houston

Eric gordon and clint capela to boston.

Detroit gets shooting and playmaking from the wing(desparately needed)
Ish/fa
Galloway
Hayward
Blake
Drummond

Houston get more depth. (Desparately needed)
Paul(if not traded)
Harden
Pj
Leuer
Williams

Boston gets a young anchor and a sharpshooter. (Desparately needed)

Smart
Brown/gordon
Tatum
Horford
Capela
Why on earth do Houston do this?? They're trying to surround with more stars, not useless players for them like Leuer and Williams, or overpaid guys who can't shoot anything better than average like Jackson.

they wont get stars by trading players that are not stars.

And they do not need more shooters, but they need a guy who can change the pace off the bench as a sparkplug (jackson)
They need a floor spacing PF (Leuer)
Williams is cheap depth in the front court.

They still also have Paul to trade.


Capela will not get them Horford. That is not a fair trade for Boston as Capela is not on Horfords level.

Capela is a very good young center, but it remains to be seen how much value he has not playing beside harden. therefore that lowers his value, not increase it.
Yeah, but they will get better than the garbage return they're getting here.

Reggie Jackson has already forced his way off one team because he didn't like being a bench player and thought he was better than that - why do you think he's matured?

Jon Leuer has played 49 games in the last 2 seasons with averages of 4PPG and 2.6RPG. Not really the missing piece now is he?

The Paul contract is so bad they'd likely have to overpay to move him, so not sure what your point there is.

Capela is probably their most valuable trade chip, and this would be a fire-worthy return for Morey if he did this
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PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
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Re: A what if Cs,Rocket,Laker, and ATL trade (idea)
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2019, 08:39:25 AM »

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Floating this out there.

If (when) Irving leaves, (assuming no AD trade). We all know AL has to decide on his future. As many have speculated he many want to ring hunt and not stick with a Tatum/Brown core rebuild.

It has also been rumored that the Cs and Rockets have discussed a Capela deal.

Others trades that have been speculated include ATL wanting to trade up and the Lakers needing to add win now players around Lebron. This trade assumes the Lakers do not win AD sweepstakes ( or at least #4 is not part of deal.


The trade

Rockets get Horford, #20, and #22

Lakers get E Gordon #10, and #14

ATL gets #4

Celtics get Capela and #8


I would then assume the Lakers will look to other teams looking to move vets for picks.

Post trade Mock top 10

Skip pick 1-3

4. ATL.  Reddish
5  Cavs. Culver
6.  Suns Garland
7.  Bulls White
8   Celtics Hunter * maybe take Doumbouya given his size and much higher ceiling but Hunter fits with young core
9.  Wiz Doumbouya
10. LAL Washington

The Celtics reload with Hunter and Capela

The Hawks add a dynamic high ceiling player in reddish

The rockets become a better playoff team with AL and likely add two role players in the 20s

The Lakers add a nice vet next to Lebron while not effecting their assets or long term cap
so essentially, Horford and 3 firsts this year for Capela and a slightly better first but not good enough to move up into a draft tier that has a significant difference from where we're already drafting?  no thanks.

-We're giving up the best player in the deal --> yes, Al is better than Capela and Gordon individually. 
- Lakers get a windfall for just giving up the #4 pick in a 3 player draft.
- Atlanta's only involvement is to give up picks 8 and 10 to get #4 apparently.
- Rockets give up Capela and Gordon to get Horford and 2 first rounders? 
==> Lakers and Atlanta make out like bandits.  C's take a real hit losing Al for Capela and a slightly better single pick.  Houston also gets a bit worse, not because Al isn't better than Capela but Houston can't afford to lose both those players regardless of the fact they're getting 2 late first rounders.

Re: A what if Cs,Rocket,Laker, and ATL trade (idea)
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2019, 08:54:27 AM »

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No horford for capella.


Hayward to detroit.

Reggie jackson, Jon leuer, robert williams and pick 51 to houston

Eric gordon and clint capela to boston.

Detroit gets shooting and playmaking from the wing(desparately needed)
Ish/fa
Galloway
Hayward
Blake
Drummond

Houston get more depth. (Desparately needed)
Paul(if not traded)
Harden
Pj
Leuer
Williams

Boston gets a young anchor and a sharpshooter. (Desparately needed)

Smart
Brown/gordon
Tatum
Horford
Capela
Why on earth do Houston do this?? They're trying to surround with more stars, not useless players for them like Leuer and Williams, or overpaid guys who can't shoot anything better than average like Jackson.

they wont get stars by trading players that are not stars.

And they do not need more shooters, but they need a guy who can change the pace off the bench as a sparkplug (jackson)
They need a floor spacing PF (Leuer)
Williams is cheap depth in the front court.

They still also have Paul to trade.


Capela will not get them Horford. That is not a fair trade for Boston as Capela is not on Horfords level.

Capela is a very good young center, but it remains to be seen how much value he has not playing beside harden. therefore that lowers his value, not increase it.
Yeah, but they will get better than the garbage return they're getting here.

Reggie Jackson has already forced his way off one team because he didn't like being a bench player and thought he was better than that - why do you think he's matured?

Jon Leuer has played 49 games in the last 2 seasons with averages of 4PPG and 2.6RPG. Not really the missing piece now is he?

The Paul contract is so bad they'd likely have to overpay to move him, so not sure what your point there is.

Capela is probably their most valuable trade chip, and this would be a fire-worthy return for Morey if he did this

It wad all just a hypthetical idea. You understamd that right.

Leuer when healthy is a good roleplayer. Jackson would most likely become the starter once paul is traded.

The whole premice is one of hayward being the centerpiece of a deal for capela. Not horford

We will not trade from a position of weakness to address the same position.

Not when we have too many wings.

Another idea is a deal with miami and houston.

Miami get hayward, paul, williams 3, pick 20 and 22, houston future first.

Houston gets whiteside, waiters, james johnson, mcgruder cash.

Boston gets capela and gordon and 13th




Re: A what if Cs,Rocket,Laker, and ATL trade (idea)
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2019, 09:10:19 AM »

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No horford for capella.


Hayward to detroit.

Reggie jackson, Jon leuer, robert williams and pick 51 to houston

Eric gordon and clint capela to boston.

Detroit gets shooting and playmaking from the wing(desparately needed)
Ish/fa
Galloway
Hayward
Blake
Drummond

Houston get more depth. (Desparately needed)
Paul(if not traded)
Harden
Pj
Leuer
Williams

Boston gets a young anchor and a sharpshooter. (Desparately needed)

Smart
Brown/gordon
Tatum
Horford
Capela
Why on earth do Houston do this?? They're trying to surround with more stars, not useless players for them like Leuer and Williams, or overpaid guys who can't shoot anything better than average like Jackson.

they wont get stars by trading players that are not stars.

And they do not need more shooters, but they need a guy who can change the pace off the bench as a sparkplug (jackson)
They need a floor spacing PF (Leuer)
Williams is cheap depth in the front court.

They still also have Paul to trade.


Capela will not get them Horford. That is not a fair trade for Boston as Capela is not on Horfords level.

Capela is a very good young center, but it remains to be seen how much value he has not playing beside harden. therefore that lowers his value, not increase it.
Yeah, but they will get better than the garbage return they're getting here.

Reggie Jackson has already forced his way off one team because he didn't like being a bench player and thought he was better than that - why do you think he's matured?

Jon Leuer has played 49 games in the last 2 seasons with averages of 4PPG and 2.6RPG. Not really the missing piece now is he?

The Paul contract is so bad they'd likely have to overpay to move him, so not sure what your point there is.

Capela is probably their most valuable trade chip, and this would be a fire-worthy return for Morey if he did this

It wad all just a hypthetical idea. You understamd that right.

Leuer when healthy is a good roleplayer. Jackson would most likely become the starter once paul is traded.

The whole premice is one of hayward being the centerpiece of a deal for capela. Not horford

We will not trade from a position of weakness to address the same position.

Not when we have too many wings.

Another idea is a deal with miami and houston.

Miami get hayward, paul, williams 3, pick 20 and 22, houston future first.

Houston gets whiteside, waiters, james johnson, mcgruder cash.

Boston gets capela and gordon and 13th

Look it’s a bad trade. If you’re the GM for the Rockets your goal in putting everyone on the block is to improve your team. If you are trading away STARTERS who don’t fit your team, then you are looking for STARTERS who do fit your team.

So what the Rockets know is that Chris Paul and Harden don’t work together. So now you choose which one do you think you believe gives you a high chance of winning a championship. You take the PnR boogeyman who can’t be stopped, or the floor general?

It’s easy you build around Harden, so what does Harden need? A center who can get boards, who can PnR and or PnP, Defenders (3 and D hopefully, some shooters, and some else who can get their own shot.

Great so now you know what you need, you’re capped out so can’t sign FA, so how can you improve your roster? Ok CP3 is no longer needed, but his value is very low because of his age and injury history so I may have to give him away for cap relief, but I still need to improve this roster.

Ok my biggest TRADE ASSETS are Capela, Gordon, and our draft picks. With knowing these are my biggest and only real draft assets that I have to help my team win NOW I have to make sure I completely fill needs.

This is referring to your trade with Detroit for the garage pieces you was giving Houston. They are looking for starter talent not bench players.

Now I can’t keep arguing on why Capela is a horrible fit for the Celtics, because you and many others just don’t listen not care how crazy it is.

Re: A what if Cs,Rocket,Laker, and ATL trade (idea)
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2019, 09:14:52 AM »

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The real problem with this trade is you have to do this trade before the draft with all the draft picks, but I can't see this type of trade happening before free agency starts as that would affect what many of those teams might do.
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Re: A what if Cs,Rocket,Laker, and ATL trade (idea)
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2019, 09:44:50 AM »

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Amazing for Houston = Horford big upgrade over Capela

Terrible for Boston = Capela big downgrade vs Horford

Terrible for LAL = Eric Gordon is mediocre. Borderline starter. Bench player really. LAL lose cap space and high draft pick (superior trading asset).

Bad for ATL = not enough difference in talent available between #4 and #8 & #10 to justify giving up two picks to move higher up. Better to keep the two picks.