Celtics may be targeting Clint Capela in trade.

[footey]

I believe Hayward is going to be an all star next season. I expect him to be the guy he was in Utah...esp if Kyrie leaves.

coming off the bench?

or who is he taking shots and time from? Tatum? Brown?

Gordon has a higher chance of continuing to be overpaid for his production and taking time away from younger players with a much higher ceiling than he has of becoming an allstar.

What are you talking about, taking shots away?  Hayward when healthy (and he should be) is more efficient than Tatum or Brown. And frankly one of the most unselfish team oriented players. Once Brown figured that out, he flourished with Hayward on the court.  You cast this perception that Hayward is going to get all the shots, when in fact he is that rare combination of play making forward that makes his teammates play better.

Stop listening to SAS nonsense about Hayward hurting team chemistry. Reach conclusions based on how they play on the court.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Some of y’all just need to work on your team building strategies. They just aren’t any good. If your target is Capela, for this roster then you really need to get back to the drawing board. Y’all make it seem like we are getting him for free. An asset has to go out for him, so who you giving up? Smart? Rozier? Then whose running your PG? Hayward? Then whose your shooter? Horford? Then whose stopping Embiid and Gannis? Like y’all aren’t making logical sense or are not really watching Capela play...

lol you're lecturing people after saying Williams - a guy who has never played meaningful minutes nor proved he can even stick in the nba - was comparable to a guy who has averaged 17/13 and is one of the league's better shot blockers.

*sigh*

I’m going to shorty try and dumb this down a littler further. Before I can I need you to understand that teams/coaches have “systems” or philosophies on how they want to run their team. I’m not digging any deeper than this, just understand that.

Next I need you to understand in the Rockets system (current constructed) they rely heavy on James Harden scoring. Now Harden can score all by himself. He can dribble and create his own bucket or the rockets can run something called a Pick and Roll. With this play a big guy has to come and set a screen for Harden, with the objective to get Harden open. If said player sets a screen and the opposing player stay guarding you (the screener) Then you have successfully gotten Harden open, but still crash the paint Incase Harden misses.

Now if you come and set the screen and your man steps up and guards Harden, now your job is to crash the lane. Either you will be wide open or a small guy will be switched on to you.

Capelas job is to set a screen and roll to the basket, NO MATTER WHAT. In other words Capelas job is so easy a caveman can do it WITH THIS ROCKETS SYSTEM.

So yes you can plug in someone with little experience (Williams 3) and ONLY teach him to screen and roll to the basket and he will be exactly what Capela is.

This system only works because Harden is sooo good that teams have to leave the screen setter open because Harden is way more of a threat. A 2 is better to give away than a 3.

Your question:
If it’s so easy why aren’t other teams doing it.

Answer: because they don’t have Harden, and this is also extremely easy to stop if the ballhandler is not really really good.

Your question:
So if it’s so easy then why pay Capela all that money?

Answer:
Bigs and teams know that have a center who can’t shoot/score cripples their offence. All teams have to do is pack the paint and if the ballhandler cannot shoot extremely well, they will still be forced to shoot because the paint is clogged with defenders (why protect the perimeter if the players can’t shoot?).

With that being known bigs are now learning to stretch the floor. When the screen comes a defender HAS to stay on the screener because he’s as big as a threat to hit a 3 as much as the ballhandler. 

I hope this clears things up, if not...🤷🏽‍♂️ I’m not explaining basic basketball to you guys anymore lol.

[wdleehi]

Some of y’all just need to work on your team building strategies. They just aren’t any good. If your target is Capela, for this roster then you really need to get back to the drawing board. Y’all make it seem like we are getting him for free. An asset has to go out for him, so who you giving up? Smart? Rozier? Then whose running your PG? Hayward? Then whose your shooter? Horford? Then whose stopping Embiid and Gannis? Like y’all aren’t making logical sense or are not really watching Capela play...

lol you're lecturing people after saying Williams - a guy who has never played meaningful minutes nor proved he can even stick in the nba - was comparable to a guy who has averaged 17/13 and is one of the league's better shot blockers.

*sigh*

I’m going to shorty try and dumb this down a littler further. Before I can I need you to understand that teams/coaches have “systems” or philosophies on how they want to run their team. I’m not digging any deeper than this, just understand that.

Next I need you to understand in the Rockets system (current constructed) they rely heavy on James Harden scoring. Now Harden can score all by himself. He can dribble and create his own bucket or the rockets can run something called a Pick and Roll. With this play a big guy has to come and set a screen for Harden, with the objective to get Harden open. If said player sets a screen and the opposing player stay guarding you (the screener) Then you have successfully gotten Harden open, but still crash the paint Incase Harden misses.

Now if you come and set the screen and your man steps up and guards Harden, now your job is to crash the lane. Either you will be wide open or a small guy will be switched on to you.

Capelas job is to set a screen and roll to the basket, NO MATTER WHAT. In other words Capelas job is so easy a caveman can do it WITH THIS ROCKETS SYSTEM.

So yes you can plug in someone with little experience (Williams 3) and ONLY teach him to screen and roll to the basket and he will be exactly what Capela is.

This system only works because Harden is sooo good that teams have to leave the screen setter open because Harden is way more of a threat. A 2 is better to give away than a 3.

Your question:
If it’s so easy why aren’t other teams doing it.

Answer: because they don’t have Harden, and this is also extremely easy to stop if the ballhandler is not really really good.

Your question:
So if it’s so easy then why pay Capela all that money?

Answer:
Bigs and teams know that have a center who can’t shoot/score cripples their offence. All teams have to do is pack the paint and if the ballhandler cannot shoot extremely well, they will still be forced to shoot because the paint is clogged with defenders (why protect the perimeter if the players can’t shoot?).

With that being known bigs are now learning to stretch the floor. When the screen comes a defender HAS to stay on the screener because he’s as big as a threat to hit a 3 as much as the ballhandler. 

I hope this clears things up, if not...🤷🏽‍♂️ I’m not explaining basic basketball to you guys anymore lol.

If it is so easy to get a big man to do this at this level, why did the Rockets give him that contract?

And why don't they have others on the team ready to do it in his place?   



I still think the Celtics are a bad match for such a trade, but it is clear the Celtics do not have a player like him at that level.   

[NKY fan]

I think CC is overpaid.. Nurkic from Portland should be used as a baseline to compare contracts for useful but not star level big guys in the league. I think Nurkic makes around $10-11M a year.
Capela is overpaid by at least $3-4M using this simple test.

[PhoSita]

If the Celts trade for Capela it's because they view him as an upgrade on their future assets.

I wouldn't focus too much on his attributes as a player. 

[Silky]

Not sure how Hayward would take time from Brown and Tatum. With Kyrie gone that opens up minutes at PG for Smart, so his minutes he played at the wing disappear and need to be made up.

Smart played 88% of his 28 MPG playing SG. My guess is that will become 88% playing PG next year if Kyrie is gone.

Hayward and Brown played 27 MPG each and Tatum 31 MPG. Spread Smart's wing position minutes amongst Hayward, Brown and Tatum and there is more than enough for all three to be slightly over 30 MPG and still have some left over for Smart, Semi or someone else to put in some wing minutes.

Hayward will not be taking any minutes from the Jays

we talking about shots.

[Scintan]

Celtics may be targeting Clint Capela in trade

Bad idea, IMO, based on both system and personnel.

[Silky]

I believe Hayward is going to be an all star next season. I expect him to be the guy he was in Utah...esp if Kyrie leaves.

coming off the bench?

or who is he taking shots and time from? Tatum? Brown?

Gordon has a higher chance of continuing to be overpaid for his production and taking time away from younger players with a much higher ceiling than he has of becoming an allstar.

What are you talking about, taking shots away?  Hayward when healthy (and he should be) is more efficient than Tatum or Brown. And frankly one of the most unselfish team oriented players. Once Brown figured that out, he flourished with Hayward on the court.  You cast this perception that Hayward is going to get all the shots, when in fact he is that rare combination of play making forward that makes his teammates play better.

Stop listening to SAS nonsense about Hayward hurting team chemistry. Reach conclusions based on how they play on the court.

Brown and Tatum have a far higher ceiling than Hayward. So they should get shots.

Are you proposing that Hayward doesn't get shots? If not how will he actually produce on the court?

Lineups featuring all of Hayward, Brown and Tatum were a net negative on the season. Dont need to listen to steven a to see that. 

Brown thriving is credit to Brown, not Hayward. Brown figured out how to make it work on his own. Hayward did nothing to improve him.

Hayward is a mediocre player, whose best seasons came off a team that maximized his potential and allowed him to dominate the play.

You could easily compare Hayward to Demar Derozan, only Demar is far more durable and on a cheaper contract.

People look at hayward with twinkles in their eyes cause he signed her, but they need to take off the rose colored glasses and look at it deeper.

[Sophomore]

IF KI is gone, I may be OK with GH and #14 for Capela and gordon to give a lineup of MS, JB, JT, AH, CC with MM,AB, EG on the bench with a MLE PG like rubio or beverly.  Otherwise I keep GH until at least the trade deadline and let his value get back to where it should be when he is healthy.  That lineup would be good on D, but be lacking in playmakers I think with both KI and GH gone.  AH would be the new PF in that scenario.

Unless Al Horford decides to walk because he doesn’t want to wait for the youth movement and thinks there’s another team with cap space that will give him a better chance at a ring the next two years. Maybe wherever KD ends up, or joining Kawhi in LA.  He’s got a player option next year. He stays only if he wants to.

[nickagneta]

Not sure how Hayward would take time from Brown and Tatum. With Kyrie gone that opens up minutes at PG for Smart, so his minutes he played at the wing disappear and need to be made up.

Smart played 88% of his 28 MPG playing SG. My guess is that will become 88% playing PG next year if Kyrie is gone.

Hayward and Brown played 27 MPG each and Tatum 31 MPG. Spread Smart's wing position minutes amongst Hayward, Brown and Tatum and there is more than enough for all three to be slightly over 30 MPG and still have some left over for Smart, Semi or someone else to put in some wing minutes.

Hayward will not be taking any minutes from the Jays

we talking about shots.

And 18.5 Kyrie shots and Rozier's 8.4 shots will be available. 27 more shots a game open up if Kyrie and Rozier are gone.

Certainly Smart might take a couple more and let's say they get Rubio, who as a back up, takes Rozier's, that still leaves 16 shots a game to divy up amongst Tatum, Brown, Hayward and others.

That should be good to get Hayward, Brown and Tatum into the 15-18 shots a game area. And if Boston increases their pace with more fast break ball there will be even more shots to take.

Shots won't be a problem and neither will minutes. Hayward, Tatum and Brown should be able to coexist quite fine.

[Silky]

Not sure how Hayward would take time from Brown and Tatum. With Kyrie gone that opens up minutes at PG for Smart, so his minutes he played at the wing disappear and need to be made up.

Smart played 88% of his 28 MPG playing SG. My guess is that will become 88% playing PG next year if Kyrie is gone.

Hayward and Brown played 27 MPG each and Tatum 31 MPG. Spread Smart's wing position minutes amongst Hayward, Brown and Tatum and there is more than enough for all three to be slightly over 30 MPG and still have some left over for Smart, Semi or someone else to put in some wing minutes.

Hayward will not be taking any minutes from the Jays

we talking about shots.

And 18.5 Kyrie shots and Rozier's 8.4 shots will be available. 27 more shots a game open up if Kyrie and Rozier are gone.

Certainly Smart might take a couple more and let's say they get Rubio, who as a back up, takes Rozier's, that still leaves 16 shots a game to divy up amongst Tatum, Brown, Hayward and others.

That should be good to get Hayward, Brown and Tatum into the 15-18 shots a game area. And if Boston increases their pace with more fast break ball there will be even more shots to take.

Shots won't be a problem and neither will minutes. Hayward, Tatum and Brown should be able to coexist quite fine.

well, they have no co-existed fine this far.

tatum should get 5 more shots per game anyways, give brown 4 at least, so I guess that is a few more for Hayward. looking at everything in a bubble.

So if he got 7 more shots...then he would be at what he had in his career best season...so he had better put up 20 5 and 4.

[nickagneta]

Not sure how Hayward would take time from Brown and Tatum. With Kyrie gone that opens up minutes at PG for Smart, so his minutes he played at the wing disappear and need to be made up.

Smart played 88% of his 28 MPG playing SG. My guess is that will become 88% playing PG next year if Kyrie is gone.

Hayward and Brown played 27 MPG each and Tatum 31 MPG. Spread Smart's wing position minutes amongst Hayward, Brown and Tatum and there is more than enough for all three to be slightly over 30 MPG and still have some left over for Smart, Semi or someone else to put in some wing minutes.

Hayward will not be taking any minutes from the Jays

we talking about shots.

And 18.5 Kyrie shots and Rozier's 8.4 shots will be available. 27 more shots a game open up if Kyrie and Rozier are gone.

Certainly Smart might take a couple more and let's say they get Rubio, who as a back up, takes Rozier's, that still leaves 16 shots a game to divy up amongst Tatum, Brown, Hayward and others.

That should be good to get Hayward, Brown and Tatum into the 15-18 shots a game area. And if Boston increases their pace with more fast break ball there will be even more shots to take.

Shots won't be a problem and neither will minutes. Hayward, Tatum and Brown should be able to coexist quite fine.

well, they have no co-existed fine this far.

tatum should get 5 more shots per game anyways, give brown 4 at least, so I guess that is a few more for Hayward. looking at everything in a bubble.

So if he got 7 more shots...then he would be at what he had in his career best season...so he had better put up 20 5 and 4.

How have they not co-existed? Because the team had a bad year and chemistry with the entire team sucked? That doesn't mean that they can't all play great on the same team. It just means last year's entire team didn't. Get a new PG and put in place a new team offensive hierarchy and there should be no trouble with Hayward, Brown and Tatum all getting their minutes and shots and all play so that they make the entire team better.

[Bobshot]

Some of y’all just need to work on your team building strategies. They just aren’t any good. If your target is Capela, for this roster then you really need to get back to the drawing board. Y’all make it seem like we are getting him for free. An asset has to go out for him, so who you giving up? Smart? Rozier? Then whose running your PG? Hayward? Then whose your shooter? Horford? Then whose stopping Embiid and Gannis? Like y’all aren’t making logical sense or are not really watching Capela play...

lol you're lecturing people after saying Williams - a guy who has never played meaningful minutes nor proved he can even stick in the nba - was comparable to a guy who has averaged 17/13 and is one of the league's better shot blockers.

*sigh*

I’m going to shorty try and dumb this down a littler further. Before I can I need you to understand that teams/coaches have “systems” or philosophies on how they want to run their team. I’m not digging any deeper than this, just understand that.

Next I need you to understand in the Rockets system (current constructed) they rely heavy on James Harden scoring. Now Harden can score all by himself. He can dribble and create his own bucket or the rockets can run something called a Pick and Roll. With this play a big guy has to come and set a screen for Harden, with the objective to get Harden open. If said player sets a screen and the opposing player stay guarding you (the screener) Then you have successfully gotten Harden open, but still crash the paint Incase Harden misses.

Now if you come and set the screen and your man steps up and guards Harden, now your job is to crash the lane. Either you will be wide open or a small guy will be switched on to you.

Capelas job is to set a screen and roll to the basket, NO MATTER WHAT. In other words Capelas job is so easy a caveman can do it WITH THIS ROCKETS SYSTEM.

So yes you can plug in someone with little experience (Williams 3) and ONLY teach him to screen and roll to the basket and he will be exactly what Capela is.

This system only works because Harden is sooo good that teams have to leave the screen setter open because Harden is way more of a threat. A 2 is better to give away than a 3.

Your question:
If it’s so easy why aren’t other teams doing it.

Answer: because they don’t have Harden, and this is also extremely easy to stop if the ballhandler is not really really good.

Your question:
So if it’s so easy then why pay Capela all that money?

Answer:
Bigs and teams know that have a center who can’t shoot/score cripples their offence. All teams have to do is pack the paint and if the ballhandler cannot shoot extremely well, they will still be forced to shoot because the paint is clogged with defenders (why protect the perimeter if the players can’t shoot?).

With that being known bigs are now learning to stretch the floor. When the screen comes a defender HAS to stay on the screener because he’s as big as a threat to hit a 3 as much as the ballhandler. 

I hope this clears things up, if not...🤷🏽‍♂️ I’m not explaining basic basketball to you guys anymore lol.

Gee, that sounds like Bill Russell.  He really crippled the Celtics offense. To the contrary, he made it better by defending the paint and getting the ball.  You do have to get the ball to score. Basic basketball.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Some of y’all just need to work on your team building strategies. They just aren’t any good. If your target is Capela, for this roster then you really need to get back to the drawing board. Y’all make it seem like we are getting him for free. An asset has to go out for him, so who you giving up? Smart? Rozier? Then whose running your PG? Hayward? Then whose your shooter? Horford? Then whose stopping Embiid and Gannis? Like y’all aren’t making logical sense or are not really watching Capela play...

lol you're lecturing people after saying Williams - a guy who has never played meaningful minutes nor proved he can even stick in the nba - was comparable to a guy who has averaged 17/13 and is one of the league's better shot blockers.

*sigh*

I’m going to shorty try and dumb this down a littler further. Before I can I need you to understand that teams/coaches have “systems” or philosophies on how they want to run their team. I’m not digging any deeper than this, just understand that.

Next I need you to understand in the Rockets system (current constructed) they rely heavy on James Harden scoring. Now Harden can score all by himself. He can dribble and create his own bucket or the rockets can run something called a Pick and Roll. With this play a big guy has to come and set a screen for Harden, with the objective to get Harden open. If said player sets a screen and the opposing player stay guarding you (the screener) Then you have successfully gotten Harden open, but still crash the paint Incase Harden misses.

Now if you come and set the screen and your man steps up and guards Harden, now your job is to crash the lane. Either you will be wide open or a small guy will be switched on to you.

Capelas job is to set a screen and roll to the basket, NO MATTER WHAT. In other words Capelas job is so easy a caveman can do it WITH THIS ROCKETS SYSTEM.

So yes you can plug in someone with little experience (Williams 3) and ONLY teach him to screen and roll to the basket and he will be exactly what Capela is.

This system only works because Harden is sooo good that teams have to leave the screen setter open because Harden is way more of a threat. A 2 is better to give away than a 3.

Your question:
If it’s so easy why aren’t other teams doing it.

Answer: because they don’t have Harden, and this is also extremely easy to stop if the ballhandler is not really really good.

Your question:
So if it’s so easy then why pay Capela all that money?

Answer:
Bigs and teams know that have a center who can’t shoot/score cripples their offence. All teams have to do is pack the paint and if the ballhandler cannot shoot extremely well, they will still be forced to shoot because the paint is clogged with defenders (why protect the perimeter if the players can’t shoot?).

With that being known bigs are now learning to stretch the floor. When the screen comes a defender HAS to stay on the screener because he’s as big as a threat to hit a 3 as much as the ballhandler. 

I hope this clears things up, if not...🤷🏽‍♂️ I’m not explaining basic basketball to you guys anymore lol.

If it is so easy to get a big man to do this at this level, why did the Rockets give him that contract?

And why don't they have others on the team ready to do it in his place?   
do you understand how average Capelas contract is? He’s making 14M the start of next season and this is after not getting any offers through restricted free agency. This is why Smart got locked up for us. He offense was extremely bad, but we didn’t need him for not much more than Defense as we had scorers in other places. If he is committed towards doing the 1 thing your team needs and you can lock him up for cheap, then why not? But you have to realize that he IS on the trading block, so apparently they are looking to go In a different direction, because it’s  not working.

You will learn there are some people who are content with just getting by and others who really want to get out and do more. Some people chase contracts, some chase a starter job, some chase championships, it’s hard to gauge what 1 individual is really chasing.

Capela decided that he would get locked up with decent money and a team that has a chance for contention if all he did was learn how to set screens for harden. No he didn’t want to learn how to post up, shoot a mid range, shoot a 3 point shot, or anything else OTHER big man have to learn in order to get a position on a team. If Capela leaves this team, he will be a scrub because he doesn’t know how to do anything other than pick and roll to the cup.



I still think the Celtics are a bad match for such a trade, but it is clear the Celtics do not have a player like him at that level.

[nickagneta]

Some of y’all just need to work on your team building strategies. They just aren’t any good. If your target is Capela, for this roster then you really need to get back to the drawing board. Y’all make it seem like we are getting him for free. An asset has to go out for him, so who you giving up? Smart? Rozier? Then whose running your PG? Hayward? Then whose your shooter? Horford? Then whose stopping Embiid and Gannis? Like y’all aren’t making logical sense or are not really watching Capela play...

lol you're lecturing people after saying Williams - a guy who has never played meaningful minutes nor proved he can even stick in the nba - was comparable to a guy who has averaged 17/13 and is one of the league's better shot blockers.

*sigh*

I’m going to shorty try and dumb this down a littler further. Before I can I need you to understand that teams/coaches have “systems” or philosophies on how they want to run their team. I’m not digging any deeper than this, just understand that.

Next I need you to understand in the Rockets system (current constructed) they rely heavy on James Harden scoring. Now Harden can score all by himself. He can dribble and create his own bucket or the rockets can run something called a Pick and Roll. With this play a big guy has to come and set a screen for Harden, with the objective to get Harden open. If said player sets a screen and the opposing player stay guarding you (the screener) Then you have successfully gotten Harden open, but still crash the paint Incase Harden misses.

Now if you come and set the screen and your man steps up and guards Harden, now your job is to crash the lane. Either you will be wide open or a small guy will be switched on to you.

Capelas job is to set a screen and roll to the basket, NO MATTER WHAT. In other words Capelas job is so easy a caveman can do it WITH THIS ROCKETS SYSTEM.

So yes you can plug in someone with little experience (Williams 3) and ONLY teach him to screen and roll to the basket and he will be exactly what Capela is.

This system only works because Harden is sooo good that teams have to leave the screen setter open because Harden is way more of a threat. A 2 is better to give away than a 3.

Your question:
If it’s so easy why aren’t other teams doing it.

Answer: because they don’t have Harden, and this is also extremely easy to stop if the ballhandler is not really really good.

Your question:
So if it’s so easy then why pay Capela all that money?

Answer:
Bigs and teams know that have a center who can’t shoot/score cripples their offence. All teams have to do is pack the paint and if the ballhandler cannot shoot extremely well, they will still be forced to shoot because the paint is clogged with defenders (why protect the perimeter if the players can’t shoot?).

With that being known bigs are now learning to stretch the floor. When the screen comes a defender HAS to stay on the screener because he’s as big as a threat to hit a 3 as much as the ballhandler. 

I hope this clears things up, if not...🤷🏽‍♂️ I’m not explaining basic basketball to you guys anymore lol.

There is no need for the condescending snark. Make your points without it!