Celtics may be targeting Clint Capela in trade.

[gouki88]

No.   


Horford is too good of player and gives the other teams in the East fits.  Capela is going to allow teams like the 76ers to park the C in the paint on defense. 


And is he that much of an impact player to move Smart for?   


And is a sign and trade of Morris or Rozier enough to entice them?  Would Rozier even agree as long as Paul is on Houston?

Well the celtics dont really attack the paint, so there is no difference there, lol.


I would be all over a Capela trade though, but I am only offering up Hayward.

I would imagine a third team needs involved to make it all work though.

Paul to Charlotte
Hayward, Tony Parker, Biyombo, Batum to Houston
Capela and Gordon to Boston.

Hayward, Williams3, Paul to Miami
Dion Waiters, Whiteside, James Johnson, Cash to Houston
Capela and Gordon to Boston

Hayward, Covington, Dieng, Williams3, Pick 22 to Houston.
Paul to Minny
Gordon and Capela to Boston

Paul, Capela, Tatum. Boston 20 and 22, Mephis 1st to NOP
Hayward, Horford, Williams3 to Houston
Jrue and Davis to Boston

Hayward and #22 to Cleveland
Love, Delladova to Houston
Capela and Gordon to Boston

Paul and Gordon to Orlando
Hayward, Fournier, Mozgov, Augustine to Houston
Capela to Boston

Paul, Future Houston first, pick 20 and 22 to Phoenix
TJ Warren, T. Johnson, Hayward and Williams3 to Houston
Capella, #6 to Boston

just spitballing possibilities

I rather keep Hayward.   If his game improves as he gets healthier, he is a bigger impact player then Capella.

Exactly right. Quite sick of seeing meaningless Hayward trades where we just move him for the sake of it

Moving him for a rebounding, high motored, defensive bigman, when that has been the biggest weakness of the team for seasons is not moving him for the sake of it.

I realize that many posters love Hayward, but you have to think of fit and team need.

If team can find a way to move Gordon for Capela the team immediately improves.

Unless Gordon returns to form, which you're not even giving him a chance of doing.

[tonydelk]

Heyward's 29, and 2 years removed from being one of the best small forwards in the NBA. I don't get the eagerness to give up on him.

I don't think they'll trade Al, but it makes more sense to consider trading him than Hayward. He's 33. Hayward may or may not become the player he was, but there's the possibility that he'll become a star again, re-sign in 2 years, and be productive here for another 5 or 6+ years. OTOH, Horford is 33. He likely won't be productive anywhere more than another 2-3 years. Given that, if Ainge has determined that Kyrie/Davis isn't going to happen, he may be loading up for his next run at it a year or two down the road, vs. just putting together the best team he can right now, knowing that best team won't be good enough to win a title.

TP. I agree with this. People question Capela's fit but for Danny it's all about Assets.  The C's will have cap space if Gordon opts out after next year and does not return.  Danny collects assets and when he has an abundance he trades them in and builds a team.  Capala may not be the greatest fit but he's a big asset.

[Sophomore]

Heyward's 29, and 2 years removed from being one of the best small forwards in the NBA. I don't get the eagerness to give up on him.

I don't think they'll trade Al, but it makes more sense to consider trading him than Hayward. He's 33. Hayward may or may not become the player he was, but there's the possibility that he'll become a star again, re-sign in 2 years, and be productive here for another 5 or 6+ years. OTOH, Horford is 33. He likely won't be productive anywhere more than another 2-3 years. Given that, if Ainge has determined that Kyrie/Davis isn't going to happen, he may be loading up for his next run at it a year or two down the road, vs. just putting together the best team he can right now, knowing that best team won't be good enough to win a title.

The other consideration is that the decision isn’t necessarily up the the Cs. Al’s contract next year with the Cs is a player option. If he doesn’t like the team’s direction he can walk as an unrestricted free agent, and then the Cs get nada.

One reason you might trade Al is to do a win-win-win deal if we lose out on Kyrie and AD. Al goes to a contender (like Houston), which is capped out and couldn’t sign him as a FA; Houston gets a player for their win-now window; Cs get a young good big signed longterm on a reasonable contract - who might work out or at least should be tradable.

[ETNCeltics]

No.   


Horford is too good of player and gives the other teams in the East fits.  Capela is going to allow teams like the 76ers to park the C in the paint on defense. 


And is he that much of an impact player to move Smart for?   


And is a sign and trade of Morris or Rozier enough to entice them?  Would Rozier even agree as long as Paul is on Houston?

Well the celtics dont really attack the paint, so there is no difference there, lol.


I would be all over a Capela trade though, but I am only offering up Hayward.

I would imagine a third team needs involved to make it all work though.

Paul to Charlotte
Hayward, Tony Parker, Biyombo, Batum to Houston
Capela and Gordon to Boston.

Hayward, Williams3, Paul to Miami
Dion Waiters, Whiteside, James Johnson, Cash to Houston
Capela and Gordon to Boston

Hayward, Covington, Dieng, Williams3, Pick 22 to Houston.
Paul to Minny
Gordon and Capela to Boston

Paul, Capela, Tatum. Boston 20 and 22, Mephis 1st to NOP
Hayward, Horford, Williams3 to Houston
Jrue and Davis to Boston

Hayward and #22 to Cleveland
Love, Delladova to Houston
Capela and Gordon to Boston

Paul and Gordon to Orlando
Hayward, Fournier, Mozgov, Augustine to Houston
Capela to Boston

Paul, Future Houston first, pick 20 and 22 to Phoenix
TJ Warren, T. Johnson, Hayward and Williams3 to Houston
Capella, #6 to Boston

just spitballing possibilities

I rather keep Hayward.   If his game improves as he gets healthier, he is a bigger impact player then Capella.

Meh, if we are going all in with Brown and Tatum, Hayward is the first expendable wing.

Capela at 25 and brown, smart, tatum all younger than that, Hayward is the odd one out.

I'm perfectly ok with going all in with Brown and Tatum. I think Brown is going to become an all star, and Tatum is going to become a superstar. There's a reason that the Celtics are considered by some the favorite for AD, we have the young guy many GMs in the league covet in Tatum. And Brown maybe isn't that far away from being an all star now, Draymond said that a year ago.

But it's not about fit with Hayward. It's about assets. And if Hayward reemerges as the player he was before, that could give us a huge chip to gamble with a year or two from now. A 100% Hayward is a much better asset than the offensively limited Capela.

Plus, I think Brad believes 3 wings can play together, especially if they don't have a ball dominant point guard taking 20 shots a game.

[Sophomore]

Is Capela:

A good fit because he’s an excellent rebounder and the Cs miss so many 3s; or

A bad fit because have you seen this team try to throw lobs?!?!?

 

[Silky]

I believe Hayward is going to be an all star next season. I expect him to be the guy he was in Utah...esp if Kyrie leaves.

coming off the bench?

or who is he taking shots and time from? Tatum? Brown?

Gordon has a higher chance of continuing to be overpaid for his production and taking time away from younger players with a much higher ceiling than he has of becoming an allstar.

[Silky]

No.   


Horford is too good of player and gives the other teams in the East fits.  Capela is going to allow teams like the 76ers to park the C in the paint on defense. 


And is he that much of an impact player to move Smart for?   


And is a sign and trade of Morris or Rozier enough to entice them?  Would Rozier even agree as long as Paul is on Houston?

Well the celtics dont really attack the paint, so there is no difference there, lol.


I would be all over a Capela trade though, but I am only offering up Hayward.

I would imagine a third team needs involved to make it all work though.

Paul to Charlotte
Hayward, Tony Parker, Biyombo, Batum to Houston
Capela and Gordon to Boston.

Hayward, Williams3, Paul to Miami
Dion Waiters, Whiteside, James Johnson, Cash to Houston
Capela and Gordon to Boston

Hayward, Covington, Dieng, Williams3, Pick 22 to Houston.
Paul to Minny
Gordon and Capela to Boston

Paul, Capela, Tatum. Boston 20 and 22, Mephis 1st to NOP
Hayward, Horford, Williams3 to Houston
Jrue and Davis to Boston

Hayward and #22 to Cleveland
Love, Delladova to Houston
Capela and Gordon to Boston

Paul and Gordon to Orlando
Hayward, Fournier, Mozgov, Augustine to Houston
Capela to Boston

Paul, Future Houston first, pick 20 and 22 to Phoenix
TJ Warren, T. Johnson, Hayward and Williams3 to Houston
Capella, #6 to Boston

just spitballing possibilities

I rather keep Hayward.   If his game improves as he gets healthier, he is a bigger impact player then Capella.

Exactly right. Quite sick of seeing meaningless Hayward trades where we just move him for the sake of it

Moving him for a rebounding, high motored, defensive bigman, when that has been the biggest weakness of the team for seasons is not moving him for the sake of it.

I realize that many posters love Hayward, but you have to think of fit and team need.

If team can find a way to move Gordon for Capela the team immediately improves.

Unless Gordon returns to form, which you're not even giving him a chance of doing.

I am pinning more on a known commodity as opposed to hoping that someone who hasn't returned even 70% of his old self in the third year after his injury while playing either off the bench or with 2 younger, better players that have alot higher potential and are more deserving of the ball than himself.

Gordon might return to form, but on the celtics the odds are very low, imo.

Do you force feed him again?
Do you take touches away from Tatum and Brown? (who both deserve a bulk of Kyries touches)
If Rozier is back (shudder) do you think he will continue to be happy with only 10 shots? or will he get more shots too?



If its between Brown and Tatum, I pick them 10000000 times out of 10 over Hayward.

[wdleehi]

I am pinning more on a known commodity as opposed to hoping that someone who hasn't returned even 70% of his old self in the third year after his injury while playing either off the bench or with 2 younger, better players that have alot higher potential and are more deserving of the ball than himself.

Gordon might return to form, but on the celtics the odds are very low, imo.

Do you force feed him again?
Do you take touches away from Tatum and Brown? (who both deserve a bulk of Kyries touches)
If Rozier is back (shudder) do you think he will continue to be happy with only 10 shots? or will he get more shots too?



If its between Brown and Tatum, I pick them 10000000 times out of 10 over Hayward.

Third year after the injury? 

This is the first year after the injury.

And it is not the choice between Hayward, Brown and Tatum.   The Celtics have shown they will play all three together in crunch time.   

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Some of y’all just need to work on your team building strategies. They just aren’t any good. If your target is Capela, for this roster then you really need to get back to the drawing board. Y’all make it seem like we are getting him for free. An asset has to go out for him, so who you giving up? Smart? Rozier? Then whose running your PG? Hayward? Then whose your shooter? Horford? Then whose stopping Embiid and Gannis? Like y’all aren’t making logical sense or are not really watching Capela play...

[ETNCeltics]

Some of y’all just need to work on your team building strategies. They just aren’t any good. If your target is Capela, for this roster then you really need to get back to the drawing board. Y’all make it seem like we are getting him for free. An asset has to go out for him, so who you giving up? Smart? Rozier? Then whose running your PG? Hayward? Then whose your shooter? Horford? Then whose stopping Embiid and Gannis? Like y’all aren’t making logical sense or are not really watching Capela play...

lol you're lecturing people after saying Williams - a guy who has never played meaningful minutes nor proved he can even stick in the nba - was comparable to a guy who has averaged 17/13 and is one of the league's better shot blockers.

[Silky]

I am pinning more on a known commodity as opposed to hoping that someone who hasn't returned even 70% of his old self in the third year after his injury while playing either off the bench or with 2 younger, better players that have alot higher potential and are more deserving of the ball than himself.

Gordon might return to form, but on the celtics the odds are very low, imo.

Do you force feed him again?
Do you take touches away from Tatum and Brown? (who both deserve a bulk of Kyries touches)
If Rozier is back (shudder) do you think he will continue to be happy with only 10 shots? or will he get more shots too?



If its between Brown and Tatum, I pick them 10000000 times out of 10 over Hayward.

Third year after the injury? 

This is the first year after the injury.

And it is not the choice between Hayward, Brown and Tatum.   The Celtics have shown they will play all three together in crunch time.

He missed a season and played a season. next season will be the 3rd season.

And it doesn't work with Hayward, Brown and Tatum all on the court together.

[nickagneta]

Not sure how Hayward would take time from Brown and Tatum. With Kyrie gone that opens up minutes at PG for Smart, so his minutes he played at the wing disappear and need to be made up.

Smart played 88% of his 28 MPG playing SG. My guess is that will become 88% playing PG next year if Kyrie is gone.

Hayward and Brown played 27 MPG each and Tatum 31 MPG. Spread Smart's wing position minutes amongst Hayward, Brown and Tatum and there is more than enough for all three to be slightly over 30 MPG and still have some left over for Smart, Semi or someone else to put in some wing minutes.

Hayward will not be taking any minutes from the Jays

[mef730]

I'm amazed at how fast this news spreads. I overheard a couple of gentlemen discussing this trade and the Celtics at Starbucks this morning (Naturally, I had to butt in.). I figured that there would be two or three posts on it, not three pages.

Bottom line: I'd love to get Capela, if for no other reason than we wouldn't have to play against him anymore. I feel like he always kills us.

Mike

[wdleehi]

I am pinning more on a known commodity as opposed to hoping that someone who hasn't returned even 70% of his old self in the third year after his injury while playing either off the bench or with 2 younger, better players that have alot higher potential and are more deserving of the ball than himself.

Gordon might return to form, but on the celtics the odds are very low, imo.

Do you force feed him again?
Do you take touches away from Tatum and Brown? (who both deserve a bulk of Kyries touches)
If Rozier is back (shudder) do you think he will continue to be happy with only 10 shots? or will he get more shots too?



If its between Brown and Tatum, I pick them 10000000 times out of 10 over Hayward.

Third year after the injury? 

This is the first year after the injury.

And it is not the choice between Hayward, Brown and Tatum.   The Celtics have shown they will play all three together in crunch time.

He missed a season and played a season. next season will be the 3rd season.

And it doesn't work with Hayward, Brown and Tatum all on the court together.

This was the 1st season he has played since being injured.  (not to mention the 2nd surgery in the summer)

Next year will be his second, and we don't know what "percentage" he will be.   We have seen through similar injuries in the past to other players, it takes more then a season to be back to what the player used to be. 

[MichiganAdam]

IF KI is gone, I may be OK with GH and #14 for Capela and gordon to give a lineup of MS, JB, JT, AH, CC with MM,AB, EG on the bench with a MLE PG like rubio or beverly.  Otherwise I keep GH until at least the trade deadline and let his value get back to where it should be when he is healthy.  That lineup would be good on D, but be lacking in playmakers I think with both KI and GH gone.  AH would be the new PF in that scenario.