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Re: Celts Take LaMelo Ball with the 2020 Memphis Pick?
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2019, 08:58:01 AM »

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Not sure what draft sites would have Ball as the 3rd best prospect in the year he becomes eligible, but I would instantly stop visiting those sites. Clearly, they have no credibility.

NBA Draft.net.

A very reputable draft site.

Please share with us why they have no credibility.
I think their early mocks deserve to be taken with a grain of salt. They base them entirely off of HS play which really has little bearing on how drafts play out in the end. I remember Naz Reid was a top 5 pick at one stage of the 2019 mocks.
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Re: Celts Take LaMelo Ball with the 2020 Memphis Pick?
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2019, 01:50:06 PM »

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Not sure what draft sites would have Ball as the 3rd best prospect in the year he becomes eligible, but I would instantly stop visiting those sites. Clearly, they have no credibility.

NBA Draft.net.

A very reputable draft site.

Please share with us why they have no credibility.
Perhaps for you. I personally don't give them any credibility. DraftExpress...yes., but they are gone now.

I also think projecting drafts more than 3 months out from the draft isn't great...nevermind drafts one to three years down the line.

But, hey, I am not the biggest believer in taking looks at players until they have had their year in college or in the pros in Europe. Projecting most seniors and all juniors and all sophomores in HS for the draft is pretty useless, IMO.

LaMelo Now Considered Top 3 Pick, per Givony in ESPN
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2019, 10:07:01 AM »

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I posted about the rise of La Melo a few months ago (if someone can find the thread and merge, please be my guest, I could not).

Took a lot of flack for that. 

ESPN mock draft now has him at no. 3, and would not be surprised if he was in the running for the number 1 pick.  The kid has a really nice game, great BBIQ.  Only detraction is his ugly jumper, which looks a lot like his older brother's.

See Givony article below:

LaMelo Ball's rise into the top three
It's time to start taking LaMelo Ball seriously -- possible No. 1 pick seriously -- as an NBA draft prospect.

That was the main takeaway from a four-day trip to Tasmania, home of the NBL Blitz, the Australian and New Zealand basketball league's annual preseason tournament. This year's event drew 27 NBA scouts to check on the progress of Ball and RJ Hampton, both potential top-five selections in 2020.

Ball looked like an NBL MVP candidate. He put up an impressive 19-point, 13-rebound, 7-assist performance against the defending champion Perth Wildcats. Reigning Defensive player of the year Damian Martin tried in vain to slow Ball but was completely unable to phase the 18-year-old. Ball showed similar sparks of potential in earlier preseason contests, most notably dropping 21 points on 11 shots against South East Melbourne. He has moved up to No. 3 in the new ESPN mock draft.

The feedback from NBA scouts was nearly unanimous.

"If he keeps this up, I don't see any way he isn't in the conversation for the No. 1 overall pick," one NBA executive told ESPN. "He completely changed my perception of the type of prospect he is, and all of the background info I gathered here from his coaches and teammates paint a very different story of what I thought about him off the court as well."

"He reminds me of Luka Doncic," another scout said. "Just in terms of his size, his feel and his creativity."

NBA teams also were impressed by the way Ball controlled the game, his improved shot selection and mechanics, and his body language.

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"He plays with incredible pace. He's never sped up. He's never rattled by anything that's thrown at him," the same scout said. "You're expecting something magical to happen every time he has the ball. He sees everything. He can make every pass with either hand off a live dribble. His style of play is tailor-made for the NBA game, especially if you surround him with shooting and better finishers."

Many inside and outside the Australian league thought the Illawara Hawks, typically NBL bottom-feeders, were taking a significant risk in adding Ball to their roster via the Next Star program. There were concerns about his fame and potential intervention from Lavar, LaMelo's father, becoming a distraction from winning games.

But the feedback thus far from teammates and coaches has been overwhelmingly positive, likely aided by the fact that Ball has proven to be by far the best player on the team (and possibly in the league).

"He's exceeded expectations," Illawara head coach Matt Flinn said. "He's come with absolutely zero baggage. He's assimilated into his teammates, and they genuinely like having him around. His willingness to share the ball, his willingness to pass, that's fun to be around, and that's fun to play with. I've gotten good feedback that this is the happiest people have seen him in a while.

"I haven't heard from LaVar, so we must be doing something right. [laughs]"

Ball acknowledged a need to reverse some of the negative perception NBA teams have about him, stemming from his rocky stop in Lithuania with Prienai and the off-the-court drama surrounding him and his family in recent years.

"I just need to be myself," he said. "People really don't know the whole background story. They get what they see on camera. Everybody who really just knows me, they already know."

NBA teams were curious how involved LaVar remains in LaMelo's basketball development process in the NBL. LaVar made a brief cameo in Illawara upon his son's arrival, but he didn't request to come to practice, according to Illawara staff members, and he has had minimal contact with the team.

Over the course of the weekend, Ball never donned apparel bearing the Big Baller Brand logo, sporting strictly Nike and Illawara gear. Sources say he will be playing a minimal role in the "Ball in the Family" documentary moving forward. Meanwhile, Ball's camp has been negotiating a sneaker contract with different companies, though it remains to be seen what shoes he'll be wearing in the NBA.

Former NBA player Jermaine Jackson has taken over most of the responsibilities involved in managing LaMelo as his trainer and mentor. Jackson was a role player who clawed his way to a 130-game career over five seasons. He grew up in Detroit, where LaMelo's mother, Tina, is from, and coached Ball last season at Spire Academy. Jackson has been instrumental in bringing Ball back onto the NBA radar through tweaks to shooting mechanics, extensive film sessions, 5:45 a.m. beach workouts and more commitment to defense.

"Having JJ with me has been incredible," Ball said. "It's been a blessing."

While the early returns on Ball in the NBL look promising, the draft is still nine months away. Ball has a lot of work to do to solidify his standing with general managers. Most NBA teams elected to send lower-level international scouts to the Blitz. But multiple NBA teams told ESPN that they are adjusting their schedules based on scouting feedback and film to ensure they get decision-makers on a plane to scout Ball when the NBL regular season starts in October.

Ball's ability to improve his consistent shot-making, off-ball defense, finishing around the basket and decision-making -- while being a more vocal leader on the court at point guard -- will decide how high he ends up being drafted. His frame needs a lot of work too. The fact that he sat out his second game of the Blitz with a minor back injury caused some consternation among scouts.

Growing pains might be expected, though, as Ball has added more than 3 inches in the past two years, and he might continue to get taller than 6-foot-7. He lacks a degree of high-end explosiveness creating offense from a standstill and beating opponents off the dribble, so maximizing his athleticism will be important. He's currently forced to rely on attempts with a high degree of difficulty inside the arc, not always able to get into the teeth of the defense and finish due to his lack of strength.

Overall, Ball appears to be in a perfect situation to showcase his abilities while making the adjustments needed to transition to the NBA game. It's early, but as far as preseason impressions go, it was difficult not to be blown away by the overall talent level he demonstrated, especially when you consider that he is one of the youngest players in this draft class, having turned 18 just a few weeks ago.


Re: LaMelo Now Considered Top 3 Pick, per Givony in ESPN
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2019, 10:36:44 AM »

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I do recall seeing a picture of him next to his brothers a few months ago and he looked INSANELY lengthy... Like Kevin Durant status length.  He seemed to tower over Lonzo.  Don't know if he hit a major growth spurt or not, but if he brings guard skill to someone in a 6'9 frame, he could be a pretty effective player.

Re: LaMelo Now Considered Top 3 Pick, per Givony in ESPN
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2019, 11:06:09 AM »

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One scout said he could be Luka Doncic good.

Re: LaMelo Now Considered Top 3 Pick, per Givony in ESPN
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2019, 11:13:13 AM »

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One scout said he could be Luka Doncic good.
I sincerely doubt it. Luka achieved some historic stuff even before his 18th birthday. Euroleague finals MVP is no small feat, it's a very strong league. European championship 2017 starting five, the second youngest to get picked (first is Arvydas Sabonis). He was in the starting five of the strongesr basketball club in Europe at 16. I watched all the games of the Euro Championship 2017, he played with the wits and poise of a 15 year veteran. I dont think it's fair to clump him together with any of the Balls...

Re: LaMelo Now Considered Top 3 Pick, per Givony in ESPN
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2019, 12:36:52 PM »

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I'm buying the reports tbh. Ball's skills are very high end for a guy of his size, and if he brings this newfound attitude with him wherever he goes I can see him being a star in the NBA. You really don't get 6'7-6'9 guys who can shoot, pass and dribble like him often, and that skillset holds a ton of value in my eyes when combined with that size and length.

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I'm buying the reports tbh. Ball's skills are very high end for a guy of his size, and if he brings this newfound attitude with him wherever he goes I can see him being a star in the NBA. You really don't get 6'7-6'9 guys who can shoot, pass and dribble like him often, and that skillset holds a ton of value in my eyes when combined with that size and length.

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I'm buying the reports tbh. Ball's skills are very high end for a guy of his size, and if he brings this newfound attitude with him wherever he goes I can see him being a star in the NBA. You really don't get 6'7-6'9 guys who can shoot, pass and dribble like him often, and that skillset holds a ton of value in my eyes when combined with that size and length.

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Re: LaMelo Now Considered Top 3 Pick, per Givony in ESPN
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2019, 02:26:02 PM »

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At every age, LaMelo has been better than Lonzo.
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Re: Celts Take LaMelo Ball with the 2020 Memphis Pick?
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2019, 02:41:34 PM »

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The bad news: His shot is almost as funky looking as Lonzo's.  Similar hitch.  Don't know what his shooting percentages are.

That's the first thing that jumped out to me.  I thought he was supposed to be a shooter, but his form looks terrible.  It's gets results though, I guess.

So some quick LaVar Ball bashing.  This guy is supposed to be a personal trainer and a basketball coach.  Part of his shtick is he raised his boys to be basketball players from Day 1.  Yet he couldn't teach proper form?  You'd figure that's something he'd teach and correct early, before they ever had a chance to get good with bad form.   Joakim Noah might have better form than Lonzo and Lamelo.

The problem with the weird form / hitch isn't so much about accuracy.  The Ball kids are reasonably accurate as shooters.  In some sense, that's all about repetition.

The problem is that it can be difficult to get the shot off if a defender forces them to the opposite side.  And that's one of the big differences between the NBA and everywhere else.
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Re: LaMelo Now Considered Top 3 Pick, per Givony in ESPN
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I'd love to see him on the C's if only to make LaVar Ball's head explode because he has a kid in Green!
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Not sure what draft sites would have Ball as the 3rd best prospect in the year he becomes eligible, but I would instantly stop visiting those sites. Clearly, they have no credibility.

NBA Draft.net.

A very reputable draft site.

Please share with us why they have no credibility.

They didn't do the legwork like DraftExpress did. Poor quality scouting, really bad comps, not a good track record with the actual draft, very little insider access.

NBADraft.net is a website that will always be in my heart but it's not exactly the New York Times.

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« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2019, 05:43:05 PM »

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Not sure what draft sites would have Ball as the 3rd best prospect in the year he becomes eligible, but I would instantly stop visiting those sites. Clearly, they have no credibility.

NBA Draft.net.

A very reputable draft site.

Please share with us why they have no credibility.

They didn't do the legwork like DraftExpress did. Poor quality scouting, really bad comps, not a good track record with the actual draft, very little insider access.

NBADraft.net is a website that will always be in my heart but it's not exactly the New York Times.

Although based on the thread title Jonathan Givony, who ran Draft Express prior to going to ESPN, has him at 3, so I’m not sure about this comment (even tho it’s replying to something 3 months old).

Re: LaMelo Now Considered Top 3 Pick, per Givony in ESPN
« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2019, 08:07:04 PM »

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At every age, LaMelo has been better than Lonzo.

This.

He gets a bad wrap because of his dad. Also, maybe not super mature, but being in that house, not surprising.

Before Lonzo came out they were talking about LaMelo being the best out of the 3 and the middle son(can't remember his name right now) probably wouldn't make it. So far they were right.

Kids got all the skill, I saw some video lately, he tall and quick, and can shoot and drive(against lesser talent most likely), but it all could be there. I'm just worried the last couple years hurt his development. It might take him a few years to get it, if he can check the ego and be coached.