If Celtics go young...what the best picks they could get

[Silky]

Assuming Danny wants to go young and stay with Tatum and Brown what is the best picks the team could get by offering up
All current picks, Horford, Hayward, Rozier Sign and trade etc.

What are some options for being able to get up into the top 10 this year?

Could Atlanta move the #10 for the 14th plus?
Atlanta is shopping Prince pretty heavily (would be a pretty good PF in the mold of Crowder/Morris) on a young team. Could Celtics get prince plus the 10th?

Could the team get Phoenix' pick at 6?

[gift]

I'm not sure about your question specifically. But assuming they "go young" and build around Jaylen and Jayson like that recent rumor, you'd think they'd target a point guard with Irving and Rozier gone, right? So who's the point guard they'd want in the draft and where might he be available? I'd start there and then figure out what it would take to get there.

I actually don't think the team will do that though. I think they're pushing for Irving/Davis and I think it's kind of a low key probability right now. I actually expect the Celtics to be looking for stable veterans to fill the team in July.

[GreenShooter]

If Darius Garland is available at 9 I would trade 14 & 20 to Washington. Maybe kick in a second as well.

Edit: I'm not sure he gets by Phoenix, though they may draft Coby White instead. They seem to like him and he played well in a very tough conference on a veteran team.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

I'm not sure about your question specifically. But assuming they "go young" and build around Jaylen and Jayson like that recent rumor, you'd think they'd target a point guard with Irving and Rozier gone, right? So who's the point guard they'd want in the draft and where might he be available? I'd start there and then figure out what it would take to get there.

I actually don't think the team will do that though. I think they're pushing for Irving/Davis and I think it's kind of a low key probability right now. I actually expect the Celtics to be looking for stable veterans to fill the team in July.

As much as so many fans want Rozier gone o don’t think he will be. I’m sure no rookie is better than Rozier, so why waste a pick on one? Plus if we are already complaining about Kyrie walking away for nothing I doubt they are going to let Rozier go for nothing to.

[Surferdad]

Moving up in the NBA draft is much harder than in football, for example.  One player is 20% of the lineup so can make a bigger difference than in other sports.

[slamtheking]

IF the C's don't resign Kyrie, it likely means no AD trade.  At that point, they aren't a real player in free agency and would likely be better off building with the J's rather than trading them for a vet star player (I wouldn't pursue Davis since he only has a year left and there's that commitment issue that's looming over a trade for him).   

C's would still have Hayward under contract.  no sense in trying to trade him since his stock can't get any lower.  Horford isn't a trade asset since he's likely to opt out for a longer deal whether it be with the C's or another team (only a concern if Danny makes it clear to Al he's not planning on contending for another couple of years to develop the youth exclusively). 

even if Kyrie leaves and we don't get AD, we still have the J's, Hayward (who I am expecting to play much better from the beginning of the season next year), Smart and Horford.  Figure them bringing back Morrid and Baynes.  They have a developing Williams and probably Semi.  figure Danny to get a solid vet PG with the MLE (my preferred option over resigning Rozier).  with that roster, no sense in going for a full rebuild.   with that in mind, the C's could try to consolidate 2 or all 3 of the firsts they have this year to maybe move up to #7 or #8 if they're lucky.  If they see a player they like that's falling to around #10, they may be able to flip 14 and 20 to move up that far but that's about all I see as a reasonable possibility

[Silky]

IF the C's don't resign Kyrie, it likely means no AD trade.  At that point, they aren't a real player in free agency and would likely be better off building with the J's rather than trading them for a vet star player (I wouldn't pursue Davis since he only has a year left and there's that commitment issue that's looming over a trade for him).   

C's would still have Hayward under contract.  no sense in trying to trade him since his stock can't get any lower.  Horford isn't a trade asset since he's likely to opt out for a longer deal whether it be with the C's or another team (only a concern if Danny makes it clear to Al he's not planning on contending for another couple of years to develop the youth exclusively). 

even if Kyrie leaves and we don't get AD, we still have the J's, Hayward (who I am expecting to play much better from the beginning of the season next year), Smart and Horford.  Figure them bringing back Morrid and Baynes.  They have a developing Williams and probably Semi.  figure Danny to get a solid vet PG with the MLE (my preferred option over resigning Rozier).  with that roster, no sense in going for a full rebuild.   with that in mind, the C's could try to consolidate 2 or all 3 of the firsts they have this year to maybe move up to #7 or #8 if they're lucky.  If they see a player they like that's falling to around #10, they may be able to flip 14 and 20 to move up that far but that's about all I see as a reasonable possibility

there is always a deal.

Horford opts in, resigns next year and gets dealt to Clippers for Gallinari, Shai and the miami pick.

Clippers add a great pf/c, terrific championship type of player to add to Leonard in the offseason.

[td450]

IF the C's don't resign Kyrie, it likely means no AD trade.  At that point, they aren't a real player in free agency and would likely be better off building with the J's rather than trading them for a vet star player (I wouldn't pursue Davis since he only has a year left and there's that commitment issue that's looming over a trade for him).   

C's would still have Hayward under contract.  no sense in trying to trade him since his stock can't get any lower.  Horford isn't a trade asset since he's likely to opt out for a longer deal whether it be with the C's or another team (only a concern if Danny makes it clear to Al he's not planning on contending for another couple of years to develop the youth exclusively). 

even if Kyrie leaves and we don't get AD, we still have the J's, Hayward (who I am expecting to play much better from the beginning of the season next year), Smart and Horford.  Figure them bringing back Morrid and Baynes.  They have a developing Williams and probably Semi.  figure Danny to get a solid vet PG with the MLE (my preferred option over resigning Rozier).  with that roster, no sense in going for a full rebuild.   with that in mind, the C's could try to consolidate 2 or all 3 of the firsts they have this year to maybe move up to #7 or #8 if they're lucky.  If they see a player they like that's falling to around #10, they may be able to flip 14 and 20 to move up that far but that's about all I see as a reasonable possibility

I see it as very unlikely that Kyrie commits to the C's until the knows that the C's have executed a trade for Davis. The trade would happen first.

The Pelicans don't care about a Kyrie commitment, and Davis has no control in the immediate term. Kyrie is the one who would care.

It seems to me that Kyrie would not be smart to resign here without fundamental change to the roster. We might like it because he remains a Celtic asset, but he'd be crazy to resign into an unstable situation where he may very well be traded.

[Silky]

I'm not sure about your question specifically. But assuming they "go young" and build around Jaylen and Jayson like that recent rumor, you'd think they'd target a point guard with Irving and Rozier gone, right? So who's the point guard they'd want in the draft and where might he be available? I'd start there and then figure out what it would take to get there.

I actually don't think the team will do that though. I think they're pushing for Irving/Davis and I think it's kind of a low key probability right now. I actually expect the Celtics to be looking for stable veterans to fill the team in July.

As much as so many fans want Rozier gone o don’t think he will be. I’m sure no rookie is better than Rozier, so why waste a pick on one? Plus if we are already complaining about Kyrie walking away for nothing I doubt they are going to let Rozier go for nothing to.

but a rookie at 80% of Roziers' production is still better because Rozier is going to want a minimum of what Smart is getting.

12 mill Rozier at 100% is not as good as a rookie at 80% of Rozier but only 1/6th the cost

[LilRip]

IF the C's don't resign Kyrie, it likely means no AD trade.  At that point, they aren't a real player in free agency and would likely be better off building with the J's rather than trading them for a vet star player (I wouldn't pursue Davis since he only has a year left and there's that commitment issue that's looming over a trade for him).   

C's would still have Hayward under contract.  no sense in trying to trade him since his stock can't get any lower.  Horford isn't a trade asset since he's likely to opt out for a longer deal whether it be with the C's or another team (only a concern if Danny makes it clear to Al he's not planning on contending for another couple of years to develop the youth exclusively). 

even if Kyrie leaves and we don't get AD, we still have the J's, Hayward (who I am expecting to play much better from the beginning of the season next year), Smart and Horford.  Figure them bringing back Morrid and Baynes.  They have a developing Williams and probably Semi.  figure Danny to get a solid vet PG with the MLE (my preferred option over resigning Rozier).  with that roster, no sense in going for a full rebuild.   with that in mind, the C's could try to consolidate 2 or all 3 of the firsts they have this year to maybe move up to #7 or #8 if they're lucky.  If they see a player they like that's falling to around #10, they may be able to flip 14 and 20 to move up that far but that's about all I see as a reasonable possibility

I see it as very unlikely that Kyrie commits to the C's until the knows that the C's have executed a trade for Davis. The trade would happen first.

The Pelicans don't care about a Kyrie commitment, and Davis has no control in the immediate term. Kyrie is the one who would care.

It seems to me that Kyrie would not be smart to resign here without fundamental change to the roster. We might like it because he remains a Celtic asset, but he'd be crazy to resign into an unstable situation where he may very well be traded.

Hard to argue with this. I’d find it hard to believe that anyone on the team (outside of maybe Smart) is thrilled with the idea of running last year’s team back. And I’m not just talking about the players but management, coaching staff and ownership group too. To be fair, it really seemed like the guys all respected each other’s talents (maybe too much?) but the team was a mess, chemistry-wise.

On that note, I really hope Tatum is traded. I believe in his talent but he needs to play on a team where he’s the top option. For example, James Harden would never have reached MVP heights had he continued playing alongside high usage players like Westbrook and Durant. Plus, he’ll fetch the best return too.

[TheSundanceKid]

I think in this scenario Al may be tempted to opt in for a trade to a contender. Opting out means he limits the number of teams he can go to. But we have to be realistic about the worth of Al on a 1 year $30m deal. He isn't getting a Tier 1 return. SGA and the Miami pick is the headline for LAC's package for AD, it's not going to be the headline for Horford!!

A Horford trade is more likely to be for someone like Capela with Houston going all in. That's the level we are looking at, not a top 5 player return...

I don't like the idea of selling low on Hayward so I'd be keeping him. Also if KI is leaving then I'm bringing back Rozier, even if I don't intend on keeping him. He's a trade asset, and we'll need those.

I'd also be keen on facilitating a KI s&t if at all possible. New York might look to clear cap space to get both KI and Durant, given we'll have a spot at point guard I'd be interested in DSJ or Frank in return.

[TheSundanceKid]

I'm not sure about your question specifically. But assuming they "go young" and build around Jaylen and Jayson like that recent rumor, you'd think they'd target a point guard with Irving and Rozier gone, right? So who's the point guard they'd want in the draft and where might he be available? I'd start there and then figure out what it would take to get there.

I actually don't think the team will do that though. I think they're pushing for Irving/Davis and I think it's kind of a low key probability right now. I actually expect the Celtics to be looking for stable veterans to fill the team in July.

As much as so many fans want Rozier gone o don’t think he will be. I’m sure no rookie is better than Rozier, so why waste a pick on one? Plus if we are already complaining about Kyrie walking away for nothing I doubt they are going to let Rozier go for nothing to.

but a rookie at 80% of Roziers' production is still better because Rozier is going to want a minimum of what Smart is getting.

12 mill Rozier at 100% is not as good as a rookie at 80% of Rozier but only 1/6th the cost

A really important part of the NBA is cap management. With extensions coming up for Brown and Tatum, cap space will continue to be a premium for this roster. So it matters little if a rookie is better value. You need players who you can use in a trade for someone like Bradley Beal or KAT or whoever we go after to pair with the Jays. We are not going to be able to sign FAs, how else can we get good players here?

[PhoSita]

Nothing I've heard about this draft has given me the impression that this is a draft where it's worth trading up.

Trading out will probably not be an option, so the best bet will likely be just taking the BPA at each draft spot.

[slamtheking]

IF the C's don't resign Kyrie, it likely means no AD trade.  At that point, they aren't a real player in free agency and would likely be better off building with the J's rather than trading them for a vet star player (I wouldn't pursue Davis since he only has a year left and there's that commitment issue that's looming over a trade for him).   

C's would still have Hayward under contract.  no sense in trying to trade him since his stock can't get any lower.  Horford isn't a trade asset since he's likely to opt out for a longer deal whether it be with the C's or another team (only a concern if Danny makes it clear to Al he's not planning on contending for another couple of years to develop the youth exclusively). 

even if Kyrie leaves and we don't get AD, we still have the J's, Hayward (who I am expecting to play much better from the beginning of the season next year), Smart and Horford.  Figure them bringing back Morrid and Baynes.  They have a developing Williams and probably Semi.  figure Danny to get a solid vet PG with the MLE (my preferred option over resigning Rozier).  with that roster, no sense in going for a full rebuild.   with that in mind, the C's could try to consolidate 2 or all 3 of the firsts they have this year to maybe move up to #7 or #8 if they're lucky.  If they see a player they like that's falling to around #10, they may be able to flip 14 and 20 to move up that far but that's about all I see as a reasonable possibility

there is always a deal.

Horford opts in, resigns next year and gets dealt to Clippers for Gallinari, Shai and the miami pick.

Clippers add a great pf/c, terrific championship type of player to add to Leonard in the offseason.

makes no sense whatsoever.  if Horford opts in, he becomes a free agent next year.  why would he resign so that he can be in a S&T for the C's next season?   

also, he's far more likely to opt out this year so that he can get that longer contract starting with the upcoming season -- if not to also give him the freedom to leave.  another reason why your trade proposal makes no sense.

[slamtheking]

IF the C's don't resign Kyrie, it likely means no AD trade.  At that point, they aren't a real player in free agency and would likely be better off building with the J's rather than trading them for a vet star player (I wouldn't pursue Davis since he only has a year left and there's that commitment issue that's looming over a trade for him).   

C's would still have Hayward under contract.  no sense in trying to trade him since his stock can't get any lower.  Horford isn't a trade asset since he's likely to opt out for a longer deal whether it be with the C's or another team (only a concern if Danny makes it clear to Al he's not planning on contending for another couple of years to develop the youth exclusively). 

even if Kyrie leaves and we don't get AD, we still have the J's, Hayward (who I am expecting to play much better from the beginning of the season next year), Smart and Horford.  Figure them bringing back Morrid and Baynes.  They have a developing Williams and probably Semi.  figure Danny to get a solid vet PG with the MLE (my preferred option over resigning Rozier).  with that roster, no sense in going for a full rebuild.   with that in mind, the C's could try to consolidate 2 or all 3 of the firsts they have this year to maybe move up to #7 or #8 if they're lucky.  If they see a player they like that's falling to around #10, they may be able to flip 14 and 20 to move up that far but that's about all I see as a reasonable possibility

I see it as very unlikely that Kyrie commits to the C's until the knows that the C's have executed a trade for Davis. The trade would happen first.

The Pelicans don't care about a Kyrie commitment, and Davis has no control in the immediate term. Kyrie is the one who would care.

It seems to me that Kyrie would not be smart to resign here without fundamental change to the roster. We might like it because he remains a Celtic asset, but he'd be crazy to resign into an unstable situation where he may very well be traded.

this is what I suspect will be the case because it makes the most sense.  Kyrie has to opt out in order for the Rose rule to no longer apply and block the C's from making a trade.  I just can't see Danny passing up the opportunity to add AD to this team provided one of two things doesn't block the deal:
1. AD adamantly refusing to resign here if a deal is made.
2. NO's asking price is too high (something like Tatum, Brown, Smart, Williams and all the picks this year as well as the Memphis pick). 

Once the deal is agreed to, likely with the provision that Kyrie would resign so that the deal makes sense for the C's to do, I think Kyrie would be resigning here in short order.  Likely starting line-up of Kyrie/Brown/Hayward/Davis/Horford would be too enticing for Kyrie to pass up.