I'm not sure about your question specifically. But assuming they "go young" and build around Jaylen and Jayson like that recent rumor, you'd think they'd target a point guard with Irving and Rozier gone, right? So who's the point guard they'd want in the draft and where might he be available? I'd start there and then figure out what it would take to get there.

I actually don't think the team will do that though. I think they're pushing for Irving/Davis and I think it's kind of a low key probability right now. I actually expect the Celtics to be looking for stable veterans to fill the team in July.

I'm not sure about your question specifically. But assuming they "go young" and build around Jaylen and Jayson like that recent rumor, you'd think they'd target a point guard with Irving and Rozier gone, right? So who's the point guard they'd want in the draft and where might he be available? I'd start there and then figure out what it would take to get there.

I actually don't think the team will do that though. I think they're pushing for Irving/Davis and I think it's kind of a low key probability right now. I actually expect the Celtics to be looking for stable veterans to fill the team in July.

As much as so many fans want Rozier gone o don’t think he will be. I’m sure no rookie is better than Rozier, so why waste a pick on one? Plus if we are already complaining about Kyrie walking away for nothing I doubt they are going to let Rozier go for nothing to.

IF the C's don't resign Kyrie, it likely means no AD trade.  At that point, they aren't a real player in free agency and would likely be better off building with the J's rather than trading them for a vet star player (I wouldn't pursue Davis since he only has a year left and there's that commitment issue that's looming over a trade for him).   

C's would still have Hayward under contract.  no sense in trying to trade him since his stock can't get any lower.  Horford isn't a trade asset since he's likely to opt out for a longer deal whether it be with the C's or another team (only a concern if Danny makes it clear to Al he's not planning on contending for another couple of years to develop the youth exclusively). 

even if Kyrie leaves and we don't get AD, we still have the J's, Hayward (who I am expecting to play much better from the beginning of the season next year), Smart and Horford.  Figure them bringing back Morrid and Baynes.  They have a developing Williams and probably Semi.  figure Danny to get a solid vet PG with the MLE (my preferred option over resigning Rozier).  with that roster, no sense in going for a full rebuild.   with that in mind, the C's could try to consolidate 2 or all 3 of the firsts they have this year to maybe move up to #7 or #8 if they're lucky.  If they see a player they like that's falling to around #10, they may be able to flip 14 and 20 to move up that far but that's about all I see as a reasonable possibility

IF the C's don't resign Kyrie, it likely means no AD trade.  At that point, they aren't a real player in free agency and would likely be better off building with the J's rather than trading them for a vet star player (I wouldn't pursue Davis since he only has a year left and there's that commitment issue that's looming over a trade for him).   

C's would still have Hayward under contract.  no sense in trying to trade him since his stock can't get any lower.  Horford isn't a trade asset since he's likely to opt out for a longer deal whether it be with the C's or another team (only a concern if Danny makes it clear to Al he's not planning on contending for another couple of years to develop the youth exclusively). 

even if Kyrie leaves and we don't get AD, we still have the J's, Hayward (who I am expecting to play much better from the beginning of the season next year), Smart and Horford.  Figure them bringing back Morrid and Baynes.  They have a developing Williams and probably Semi.  figure Danny to get a solid vet PG with the MLE (my preferred option over resigning Rozier).  with that roster, no sense in going for a full rebuild.   with that in mind, the C's could try to consolidate 2 or all 3 of the firsts they have this year to maybe move up to #7 or #8 if they're lucky.  If they see a player they like that's falling to around #10, they may be able to flip 14 and 20 to move up that far but that's about all I see as a reasonable possibility

I see it as very unlikely that Kyrie commits to the C's until the knows that the C's have executed a trade for Davis. The trade would happen first.

The Pelicans don't care about a Kyrie commitment, and Davis has no control in the immediate term. Kyrie is the one who would care.

It seems to me that Kyrie would not be smart to resign here without fundamental change to the roster. We might like it because he remains a Celtic asset, but he'd be crazy to resign into an unstable situation where he may very well be traded.

Quote from: slamtheking on June 03, 2019, 10:39:01 AM

IF the C's don't resign Kyrie, it likely means no AD trade.  At that point, they aren't a real player in free agency and would likely be better off building with the J's rather than trading them for a vet star player (I wouldn't pursue Davis since he only has a year left and there's that commitment issue that's looming over a trade for him).   

C's would still have Hayward under contract.  no sense in trying to trade him since his stock can't get any lower.  Horford isn't a trade asset since he's likely to opt out for a longer deal whether it be with the C's or another team (only a concern if Danny makes it clear to Al he's not planning on contending for another couple of years to develop the youth exclusively). 

even if Kyrie leaves and we don't get AD, we still have the J's, Hayward (who I am expecting to play much better from the beginning of the season next year), Smart and Horford.  Figure them bringing back Morrid and Baynes.  They have a developing Williams and probably Semi.  figure Danny to get a solid vet PG with the MLE (my preferred option over resigning Rozier).  with that roster, no sense in going for a full rebuild.   with that in mind, the C's could try to consolidate 2 or all 3 of the firsts they have this year to maybe move up to #7 or #8 if they're lucky.  If they see a player they like that's falling to around #10, they may be able to flip 14 and 20 to move up that far but that's about all I see as a reasonable possibility

I see it as very unlikely that Kyrie commits to the C's until the knows that the C's have executed a trade for Davis. The trade would happen first.

The Pelicans don't care about a Kyrie commitment, and Davis has no control in the immediate term. Kyrie is the one who would care.

It seems to me that Kyrie would not be smart to resign here without fundamental change to the roster. We might like it because he remains a Celtic asset, but he'd be crazy to resign into an unstable situation where he may very well be traded.

Hard to argue with this. I’d find it hard to believe that anyone on the team (outside of maybe Smart) is thrilled with the idea of running last year’s team back. And I’m not just talking about the players but management, coaching staff and ownership group too. To be fair, it really seemed like the guys all respected each other’s talents (maybe too much?) but the team was a mess, chemistry-wise.

On that note, I really hope Tatum is traded. I believe in his talent but he needs to play on a team where he’s the top option. For example, James Harden would never have reached MVP heights had he continued playing alongside high usage players like Westbrook and Durant. Plus, he’ll fetch the best return too.

Quote from: RazzelnoDazzel on June 03, 2019, 09:43:50 AM

Quote from: gift on June 03, 2019, 09:35:22 AM

I'm not sure about your question specifically. But assuming they "go young" and build around Jaylen and Jayson like that recent rumor, you'd think they'd target a point guard with Irving and Rozier gone, right? So who's the point guard they'd want in the draft and where might he be available? I'd start there and then figure out what it would take to get there.

I actually don't think the team will do that though. I think they're pushing for Irving/Davis and I think it's kind of a low key probability right now. I actually expect the Celtics to be looking for stable veterans to fill the team in July.

As much as so many fans want Rozier gone o don’t think he will be. I’m sure no rookie is better than Rozier, so why waste a pick on one? Plus if we are already complaining about Kyrie walking away for nothing I doubt they are going to let Rozier go for nothing to.

but a rookie at 80% of Roziers' production is still better because Rozier is going to want a minimum of what Smart is getting.

12 mill Rozier at 100% is not as good as a rookie at 80% of Rozier but only 1/6th the cost

A really important part of the NBA is cap management. With extensions coming up for Brown and Tatum, cap space will continue to be a premium for this roster. So it matters little if a rookie is better value. You need players who you can use in a trade for someone like Bradley Beal or KAT or whoever we go after to pair with the Jays. We are not going to be able to sign FAs, how else can we get good players here?

Quote from: slamtheking on June 03, 2019, 10:39:01 AM

IF the C's don't resign Kyrie, it likely means no AD trade.  At that point, they aren't a real player in free agency and would likely be better off building with the J's rather than trading them for a vet star player (I wouldn't pursue Davis since he only has a year left and there's that commitment issue that's looming over a trade for him).   

C's would still have Hayward under contract.  no sense in trying to trade him since his stock can't get any lower.  Horford isn't a trade asset since he's likely to opt out for a longer deal whether it be with the C's or another team (only a concern if Danny makes it clear to Al he's not planning on contending for another couple of years to develop the youth exclusively). 

even if Kyrie leaves and we don't get AD, we still have the J's, Hayward (who I am expecting to play much better from the beginning of the season next year), Smart and Horford.  Figure them bringing back Morrid and Baynes.  They have a developing Williams and probably Semi.  figure Danny to get a solid vet PG with the MLE (my preferred option over resigning Rozier).  with that roster, no sense in going for a full rebuild.   with that in mind, the C's could try to consolidate 2 or all 3 of the firsts they have this year to maybe move up to #7 or #8 if they're lucky.  If they see a player they like that's falling to around #10, they may be able to flip 14 and 20 to move up that far but that's about all I see as a reasonable possibility

there is always a deal.

Horford opts in, resigns next year and gets dealt to Clippers for Gallinari, Shai and the miami pick.

Clippers add a great pf/c, terrific championship type of player to add to Leonard in the offseason.

makes no sense whatsoever.  if Horford opts in, he becomes a free agent next year.  why would he resign so that he can be in a S&T for the C's next season?   

also, he's far more likely to opt out this year so that he can get that longer contract starting with the upcoming season -- if not to also give him the freedom to leave.  another reason why your trade proposal makes no sense.