Trade proposal: Rozier to Suns for 6th pick

[ETNCeltics]

Feasibility of the mechanics of the trade aside, why trade up for a guy that many think is available at 14 anyway?

OP obviously sees something in Clarke that I don't think is there. With those TRex arms, he's going to be a midget in the forest and be overwhelmed by good big men.

[Silky]

Unless you resign Irving (which I don't think they will), then you keep Rozier and make him your PG. 

I puked a little bit

[Silky]

What league are you watching that you would think that a combo guard who is at best a below average starting option would be in high demand?

The league is so stock full of productive scoring-focused lead guards that Deangelo Russell just had a season where he averaged 21 points and 7 assist on 51% EFG and yet he's closer to the middle of the point guard pack than the top of it.

D'Lo also has the benefit of actually possessing court vision, a useful trait in a point guard that Terry Rozier does not possess.


Even in his much lauded playoff run, Terry only put up approx. 16 pts 5 ast 5 reb 1 stl on 40/35/80 shooting with just a handful of free throw attempts. 

For his career, Terry has a TS% below 50%.

If you want to just look at Terry as a starter, for his career he averages basically 14 pts 5 ast 6 reb on 40% shooting from the field.  That's mediocre.

Terry Rozier is mediocre by any measure, including projecting his 2018 playoff performance to a full time starting gig, which is a dubious proposition at best.


If you're a team without a good starting point guard and you don't have a player at some other position who can perform lead-playmaker / shot-creator duties, you can just be bad for a year and select a guy in the draft.

Seems like in almost every draft there's at least one guard, if not several, with the skillset to average 15-20 points on solid efficiency as a primary pick and roll ball-handler.

Agreed with all of your points, except the bolded part...

D'Angelo is in the cusp of receiving the max, and wanna-be NBA pundits believe he isn't worth the max. I absolutely believe he does, and while his FTA and %, defense, and constant reliance on mid range jump shots should make any GM wary. He still brought the Nets back from that huge deficit of losing a few key players via injuries.

No D'Lo? No playoffs from my point of view.

Now the bolded part...

Just described Kyrie Irving in a nut shell, so I just wager why you seriously hate him.

I mean I’d get a bit of dislike towards Rozier, but the blatant “hate” people have towards him I just don’t understand. Y’all talk about him like he just isn’t capable of doing anything. Like he shoots like Smart and runs point like Avery Bradley. He’s is muuuuch better as a starter than a bench player and I’m not just saying that, there are stars to prove it. He was like 12-3 last season as a starter.

His career shooting splits are very close to Marcus', and he has never come close to the efficiency of '18-'19 Smart.

I will be ecstatic when Rozier is no longer a Celtic. Garbage basketballer. One of my least favourite in a long long time.
Might throw a street party to celebrate

He played 14 games as a starter he was 12-2 and shot 42, 40, 89

The Rozier haters are just going to have to get over it, he is no where near as bad as y’all think. He has taken bad shots, but he’s learning from Isiah and Kyrie... he’s going to have to figure out when to take shots and that comes with time and opportunity. His faults can be fixed, y’all make it seem like the ability isn’t there lol.

you have to narrow down years of service to 14 games to find a decent sample of statistics........

[RazzelnoDazzel]

What league are you watching that you would think that a combo guard who is at best a below average starting option would be in high demand?

The league is so stock full of productive scoring-focused lead guards that Deangelo Russell just had a season where he averaged 21 points and 7 assist on 51% EFG and yet he's closer to the middle of the point guard pack than the top of it.

D'Lo also has the benefit of actually possessing court vision, a useful trait in a point guard that Terry Rozier does not possess.


Even in his much lauded playoff run, Terry only put up approx. 16 pts 5 ast 5 reb 1 stl on 40/35/80 shooting with just a handful of free throw attempts. 

For his career, Terry has a TS% below 50%.

If you want to just look at Terry as a starter, for his career he averages basically 14 pts 5 ast 6 reb on 40% shooting from the field.  That's mediocre.

Terry Rozier is mediocre by any measure, including projecting his 2018 playoff performance to a full time starting gig, which is a dubious proposition at best.


If you're a team without a good starting point guard and you don't have a player at some other position who can perform lead-playmaker / shot-creator duties, you can just be bad for a year and select a guy in the draft.

Seems like in almost every draft there's at least one guard, if not several, with the skillset to average 15-20 points on solid efficiency as a primary pick and roll ball-handler.

Agreed with all of your points, except the bolded part...

D'Angelo is in the cusp of receiving the max, and wanna-be NBA pundits believe he isn't worth the max. I absolutely believe he does, and while his FTA and %, defense, and constant reliance on mid range jump shots should make any GM wary. He still brought the Nets back from that huge deficit of losing a few key players via injuries.

No D'Lo? No playoffs from my point of view.

Now the bolded part...

Just described Kyrie Irving in a nut shell, so I just wager why you seriously hate him.

I mean I’d get a bit of dislike towards Rozier, but the blatant “hate” people have towards him I just don’t understand. Y’all talk about him like he just isn’t capable of doing anything. Like he shoots like Smart and runs point like Avery Bradley. He’s is muuuuch better as a starter than a bench player and I’m not just saying that, there are stars to prove it. He was like 12-3 last season as a starter.

His career shooting splits are very close to Marcus', and he has never come close to the efficiency of '18-'19 Smart.

I will be ecstatic when Rozier is no longer a Celtic. Garbage basketballer. One of my least favourite in a long long time.
Might throw a street party to celebrate

He played 14 games as a starter he was 12-2 and shot 42, 40, 89

The Rozier haters are just going to have to get over it, he is no where near as bad as y’all think. He has taken bad shots, but he’s learning from Isiah and Kyrie... he’s going to have to figure out when to take shots and that comes with time and opportunity. His faults can be fixed, y’all make it seem like the ability isn’t there lol.

you have to narrow down years of service to 14 games to find a decent sample of statistics........

I mean... if he STARTED more games then I could give you a larger sample size. I mean he was behind Isiah and Kyrie... that’s not his fault. But you would rather us do what at the PG position?

[Moranis]

Rozier's starts this year.

Loss @ Utah
Win NOP
Win MIN
Win DAL
Loss @ BKN
Win CLE
Win BKN
Win CHO
Win @ CLE
Win @ PHI
Win @ SAC
Win @ CLE
Loss @ BKN
Win @ Was

Not exactly a whose who of opponents among that 11-3 record including just 2-3 against playoff teams. 

Last year he started 16 games

Home Wins - NKY, ATL, POR, OKC, TOR, CHI
Road Wins - ORL, POR, SAC, PHO, UTA
Home Losses - WAS, ATL
Road Losses - NOP, TOR, WAS

A bit better opponents with the 11-5 record as that equates to 5-4 against playoff teams.


As with all things, schedule matters.  Not just for record, but for stats as well, as you play worse teams they generally don't defend as well.

[Ilikesports17]

Do you really think the rfa rights to Terry Rozier have any value at all?

[footey]

Rozier's starts this year.

Loss @ Utah
Win NOP
Win MIN
Win DAL
Loss @ BKN
Win CLE
Win BKN
Win CHO
Win @ CLE
Win @ PHI
Win @ SAC
Win @ CLE
Loss @ BKN
Win @ Was

Not exactly a whose who of opponents among that 11-3 record including just 2-3 against playoff teams. 

Last year he started 16 games

Home Wins - NKY, ATL, POR, OKC, TOR, CHI
Road Wins - ORL, POR, SAC, PHO, UTA
Home Losses - WAS, ATL
Road Losses - NOP, TOR, WAS

A bit better opponents with the 11-5 record as that equates to 5-4 against playoff teams.


As with all things, schedule matters.  Not just for record, but for stats as well, as you play worse teams they generally don't defend as well.

I think you unwittingly are making a better case for him as a starter. That is an impressive won/loss record, regardless of competition. We lost to a lot of bad teams last year on multiple occasions.

[Bobshot]

Ainge will move Rozier only if Irving moves elsewhere.

[MichiganAdam]

What league are you watching that you would think that a combo guard who is at best a below average starting option would be in high demand?

The league is so stock full of productive scoring-focused lead guards that Deangelo Russell just had a season where he averaged 21 points and 7 assist on 51% EFG and yet he's closer to the middle of the point guard pack than the top of it.

D'Lo also has the benefit of actually possessing court vision, a useful trait in a point guard that Terry Rozier does not possess.


Even in his much lauded playoff run, Terry only put up approx. 16 pts 5 ast 5 reb 1 stl on 40/35/80 shooting with just a handful of free throw attempts. 

For his career, Terry has a TS% below 50%.

If you want to just look at Terry as a starter, for his career he averages basically 14 pts 5 ast 6 reb on 40% shooting from the field.  That's mediocre.

Terry Rozier is mediocre by any measure, including projecting his 2018 playoff performance to a full time starting gig, which is a dubious proposition at best.


If you're a team without a good starting point guard and you don't have a player at some other position who can perform lead-playmaker / shot-creator duties, you can just be bad for a year and select a guy in the draft.

Seems like in almost every draft there's at least one guard, if not several, with the skillset to average 15-20 points on solid efficiency as a primary pick and roll ball-handler.

Agreed with all of your points, except the bolded part...

D'Angelo is in the cusp of receiving the max, and wanna-be NBA pundits believe he isn't worth the max. I absolutely believe he does, and while his FTA and %, defense, and constant reliance on mid range jump shots should make any GM wary. He still brought the Nets back from that huge deficit of losing a few key players via injuries.

No D'Lo? No playoffs from my point of view.

Now the bolded part...

Just described Kyrie Irving in a nut shell, so I just wager why you seriously hate him.

I mean I’d get a bit of dislike towards Rozier, but the blatant “hate” people have towards him I just don’t understand. Y’all talk about him like he just isn’t capable of doing anything. Like he shoots like Smart and runs point like Avery Bradley. He’s is muuuuch better as a starter than a bench player and I’m not just saying that, there are stars to prove it. He was like 12-3 last season as a starter.

His career shooting splits are very close to Marcus', and he has never come close to the efficiency of '18-'19 Smart.

I will be ecstatic when Rozier is no longer a Celtic. Garbage basketballer. One of my least favourite in a long long time.
Might throw a street party to celebrate

He played 14 games as a starter he was 12-2 and shot 42, 40, 89

The Rozier haters are just going to have to get over it, he is no where near as bad as y’all think. He has taken bad shots, but he’s learning from Isiah and Kyrie... he’s going to have to figure out when to take shots and that comes with time and opportunity. His faults can be fixed, y’all make it seem like the ability isn’t there lol.

you have to narrow down years of service to 14 games to find a decent sample of statistics........

I mean... if he STARTED more games then I could give you a larger sample size. I mean he was behind Isiah and Kyrie... that’s not his fault. But you would rather us do what at the PG position?

I start Smart or Hayward at PG over TR.  TR was a big part of the culture meltdown IMHO.  Guy got a taste of starters minutes in the regular season and playoffs and wanted it to continue.  With the other 2 guys back he was left largely out of the mix.  He has to go IMHO.

[Sophomore]

Ainge will move Rozier only if Irving moves elsewhere.

It's possible Ainge will re-sign Rozier with the hope that TR will play himself back into being a reasonable trade piece before the deadline. It might be useful to have another mid-size salary.

But as someone to pin our hopes on going forward? He's a very poor shooter and a below-average distributor who gives hot-and-cold effort on defense. His whiny, me-first attitude makes Kyrie look like a tight-lipped stoic. Having heard his public comments at the end of the season I can only imagine what he was saying behind closed doors. He was not the whole problem, but he was definitely part of it.

[Sophomore]

Unless you resign Irving (which I don't think they will), then you keep Rozier and make him your PG. 

I puked a little bit

You're lucky; with me it was more than a little bit.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Rozier's starts this year.

Loss @ Utah
Win NOP
Win MIN
Win DAL
Loss @ BKN
Win CLE
Win BKN
Win CHO
Win @ CLE
Win @ PHI
Win @ SAC
Win @ CLE
Loss @ BKN
Win @ Was

Not exactly a whose who of opponents among that 11-3 record including just 2-3 against playoff teams. 

Last year he started 16 games

Home Wins - NKY, ATL, POR, OKC, TOR, CHI
Road Wins - ORL, POR, SAC, PHO, UTA
Home Losses - WAS, ATL
Road Losses - NOP, TOR, WAS

A bit better opponents with the 11-5 record as that equates to 5-4 against playoff teams.


As with all things, schedule matters.  Not just for record, but for stats as well, as you play worse teams they generally don't defend as well.

Right so start Rozier, that’s what I said. I recall losing to the worse of the worse with Kyrie starting. At least we win game we supposed to win. The team is young we are supposed to struggle on the road, that’s what the vets are supposed to cure. Making more and more sense to Keep Rozier because with him starting we still WIN.

[Donoghus]

This team is taking a step backwards next year if Rozier is the starting PG. 

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Rozier's starts this year.

Loss @ Utah
Win NOP
Win MIN
Win DAL
Loss @ BKN
Win CLE
Win BKN
Win CHO
Win @ CLE
Win @ PHI
Win @ SAC
Win @ CLE
Loss @ BKN
Win @ Was

Not exactly a whose who of opponents among that 11-3 record including just 2-3 against playoff teams. 

Last year he started 16 games

Home Wins - NKY, ATL, POR, OKC, TOR, CHI
Road Wins - ORL, POR, SAC, PHO, UTA
Home Losses - WAS, ATL
Road Losses - NOP, TOR, WAS

A bit better opponents with the 11-5 record as that equates to 5-4 against playoff teams.


As with all things, schedule matters.  Not just for record, but for stats as well, as you play worse teams they generally don't defend as well.

Right so start Rozier, that’s what I said. I recall losing to the worse of the worse with Kyrie starting. At least we win game we supposed to win. The team is young we are supposed to struggle on the road, that’s what the vets are supposed to cure. Making more and more sense to Keep Rozier because with him starting we still WIN.

Cost/production wise I’m not sure who you would replace him with right now. Unless we are signing Rondo who are you replacing him with? He is a starting caliber PG and y’all want that to walk for nothing, but cry about Kyrie walking for nothing??? Y’all make no sense here lol.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

This team is taking a step backwards next year if Rozier is the starting PG.

YOU ARE LOSING KYRIE IRVING. Duh you are taking a step in TALENT backwards, but as far as ball movement? Idk man.