Trade proposal: Rozier to Suns for 6th pick

[Tr1boy]

The draft comes before free agency, so the deal isn't really workable.  It's illegal to even discuss free agency with Rozier until June 30 at 6pm, so there can't be an agreement in principle.

What about trading his rfa rights to the Suns instead?

Nope.  Can't do that.

I remember Mike Zarren of the Celts saying he hates that the draft is before free agency.  He would like for it to be switched as it would open the door for more possibilities.

I agree

Nba cap/rfa, draft rules etc is overly difficult for nothing imo

Look at hockey and the way it works (simplicity) and makes it easier for trades to work and for fans to digest

[Tr1boy]

End of the day letting Rozier walk for nothing would be waste, even if this idea is not allowed

[Kaz]

This trade doesn't make sense at all.

Suns have no reason to trade down in the draft just to get Rozier (who they could possibly land in FA anyway), and there's a very good chance that Clarke lasts for the 14th pick to snag him there so spending #6 on him seems like a reach.

[johnnygreen]

End of the day letting Rozier walk for nothing would be waste, even if this idea is not allowed

I agree, letting Rozier walk for nothing will be a waste. However, the time to trade him for an asset was at the end of last season, not now. If Kyrie re-signs, there is no way the Celtics are matching an offer for Rozier, only to see him sulk coming off the bench.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

It’s funny how people get so mad how Kyrie can walk for nothing. But won’t bat an eye if Kyrie does. We have far more control on what Terry can do rather than Kyrie. As long as Terry is a starting PG he will be in high demand as teams need PGs, bad!

[footey]

You're better than this, Tr1boy. Even if Rozier had another year on his contract, no way PHX gives up the 6th pick for him.

[Tr1boy]

End of the day letting Rozier walk for nothing would be waste, even if this idea is not allowed

I agree, letting Rozier walk for nothing will be a waste. However, the time to trade him for an asset was at the end of last season, not now. If Kyrie re-signs, there is no way the Celtics are matching an offer for Rozier, only to see him sulk coming off the bench.

This would have been optimal, indeed

[nickagneta]

It’s funny how people get so mad how Kyrie can walk for nothing. But won’t bat an eye if Kyrie does. We have far more control on what Terry can do rather than Kyrie. As long as Terry is a starting PG he will be in high demand as teams need PGs, bad!

Mind letting us know all these teams that need PGs so badly that Rozier becomes massively in demand?

I can think of 2 or 3 teams that might show interest but those teams also have other options and the draft to possibly fill their positions.

I don't see a good market for Rozier. There are at a minimum, 20 teams with better current PG options than Rozier. I don't see Rozier coming to an agreement with a team until deep into the summer, like almost all mid level to lower tier restricted free agents.

And after the year he just had, he will be lucky to get the same money Marcus Smart got.

[PhoSita]

What league are you watching that you would think that a combo guard who is at best a below average starting option would be in high demand?

The league is so stock full of productive scoring-focused lead guards that Deangelo Russell just had a season where he averaged 21 points and 7 assist on 51% EFG and yet he's closer to the middle of the point guard pack than the top of it.

D'Lo also has the benefit of actually possessing court vision, a useful trait in a point guard that Terry Rozier does not possess.


Even in his much lauded playoff run, Terry only put up approx. 16 pts 5 ast 5 reb 1 stl on 40/35/80 shooting with just a handful of free throw attempts. 

For his career, Terry has a TS% below 50%.

If you want to just look at Terry as a starter, for his career he averages basically 14 pts 5 ast 6 reb on 40% shooting from the field.  That's mediocre.

Terry Rozier is mediocre by any measure, including projecting his 2018 playoff performance to a full time starting gig, which is a dubious proposition at best.


If you're a team without a good starting point guard and you don't have a player at some other position who can perform lead-playmaker / shot-creator duties, you can just be bad for a year and select a guy in the draft.

Seems like in almost every draft there's at least one guard, if not several, with the skillset to average 15-20 points on solid efficiency as a primary pick and roll ball-handler.


If you don't want to draft, just wait around for some team to draft a Monte Morris or a Fred VanVleet and then try to snag that guy in free agency.


Only a foolish or desperate team would pay good money for the right to have Terry Rozier as their starting point guard.

[Monkhouse]

What league are you watching that you would think that a combo guard who is at best a below average starting option would be in high demand?

The league is so stock full of productive scoring-focused lead guards that Deangelo Russell just had a season where he averaged 21 points and 7 assist on 51% EFG and yet he's closer to the middle of the point guard pack than the top of it.

D'Lo also has the benefit of actually possessing court vision, a useful trait in a point guard that Terry Rozier does not possess.


Even in his much lauded playoff run, Terry only put up approx. 16 pts 5 ast 5 reb 1 stl on 40/35/80 shooting with just a handful of free throw attempts. 

For his career, Terry has a TS% below 50%.

If you want to just look at Terry as a starter, for his career he averages basically 14 pts 5 ast 6 reb on 40% shooting from the field.  That's mediocre.

Terry Rozier is mediocre by any measure, including projecting his 2018 playoff performance to a full time starting gig, which is a dubious proposition at best.


If you're a team without a good starting point guard and you don't have a player at some other position who can perform lead-playmaker / shot-creator duties, you can just be bad for a year and select a guy in the draft.

Seems like in almost every draft there's at least one guard, if not several, with the skillset to average 15-20 points on solid efficiency as a primary pick and roll ball-handler.

Agreed with all of your points, except the bolded part...

D'Angelo is in the cusp of receiving the max, and wanna-be NBA pundits believe he isn't worth the max. I absolutely believe he does, and while his FTA and %, defense, and constant reliance on mid range jump shots should make any GM wary. He still brought the Nets back from that huge deficit of losing a few key players via injuries.

No D'Lo? No playoffs from my point of view.

Now the bolded part...

Just described Kyrie Irving in a nut shell, so I just wager why you seriously hate him.

[PhoSita]

I don't really understand what you mean re: Kyrie Irving.

[Geo123]

Unless you resign Irving (which I don't think they will), then you keep Rozier and make him your PG.  You can't let him walk for nothing plus IMO you don't want more draft picks because you will waste Brown non-FA years (you can't rebuild).  Basing your team on Brown JT, Rozier, a fully healthy Hayward, Al and Smart is a great start.    Then it comes down to what you do with the picks and you ME.   

[RazzelnoDazzel]

What league are you watching that you would think that a combo guard who is at best a below average starting option would be in high demand?

The league is so stock full of productive scoring-focused lead guards that Deangelo Russell just had a season where he averaged 21 points and 7 assist on 51% EFG and yet he's closer to the middle of the point guard pack than the top of it.

D'Lo also has the benefit of actually possessing court vision, a useful trait in a point guard that Terry Rozier does not possess.


Even in his much lauded playoff run, Terry only put up approx. 16 pts 5 ast 5 reb 1 stl on 40/35/80 shooting with just a handful of free throw attempts. 

For his career, Terry has a TS% below 50%.

If you want to just look at Terry as a starter, for his career he averages basically 14 pts 5 ast 6 reb on 40% shooting from the field.  That's mediocre.

Terry Rozier is mediocre by any measure, including projecting his 2018 playoff performance to a full time starting gig, which is a dubious proposition at best.


If you're a team without a good starting point guard and you don't have a player at some other position who can perform lead-playmaker / shot-creator duties, you can just be bad for a year and select a guy in the draft.

Seems like in almost every draft there's at least one guard, if not several, with the skillset to average 15-20 points on solid efficiency as a primary pick and roll ball-handler.

Agreed with all of your points, except the bolded part...

D'Angelo is in the cusp of receiving the max, and wanna-be NBA pundits believe he isn't worth the max. I absolutely believe he does, and while his FTA and %, defense, and constant reliance on mid range jump shots should make any GM wary. He still brought the Nets back from that huge deficit of losing a few key players via injuries.

No D'Lo? No playoffs from my point of view.

Now the bolded part...

Just described Kyrie Irving in a nut shell, so I just wager why you seriously hate him.

I mean I’d get a bit of dislike towards Rozier, but the blatant “hate” people have towards him I just don’t understand. Y’all talk about him like he just isn’t capable of doing anything. Like he shoots like Smart and runs point like Avery Bradley. He’s is muuuuch better as a starter than a bench player and I’m not just saying that, there are stars to prove it. He was like 12-3 last season as a starter.

[gouki88]

What league are you watching that you would think that a combo guard who is at best a below average starting option would be in high demand?

The league is so stock full of productive scoring-focused lead guards that Deangelo Russell just had a season where he averaged 21 points and 7 assist on 51% EFG and yet he's closer to the middle of the point guard pack than the top of it.

D'Lo also has the benefit of actually possessing court vision, a useful trait in a point guard that Terry Rozier does not possess.


Even in his much lauded playoff run, Terry only put up approx. 16 pts 5 ast 5 reb 1 stl on 40/35/80 shooting with just a handful of free throw attempts. 

For his career, Terry has a TS% below 50%.

If you want to just look at Terry as a starter, for his career he averages basically 14 pts 5 ast 6 reb on 40% shooting from the field.  That's mediocre.

Terry Rozier is mediocre by any measure, including projecting his 2018 playoff performance to a full time starting gig, which is a dubious proposition at best.


If you're a team without a good starting point guard and you don't have a player at some other position who can perform lead-playmaker / shot-creator duties, you can just be bad for a year and select a guy in the draft.

Seems like in almost every draft there's at least one guard, if not several, with the skillset to average 15-20 points on solid efficiency as a primary pick and roll ball-handler.

Agreed with all of your points, except the bolded part...

D'Angelo is in the cusp of receiving the max, and wanna-be NBA pundits believe he isn't worth the max. I absolutely believe he does, and while his FTA and %, defense, and constant reliance on mid range jump shots should make any GM wary. He still brought the Nets back from that huge deficit of losing a few key players via injuries.

No D'Lo? No playoffs from my point of view.

Now the bolded part...

Just described Kyrie Irving in a nut shell, so I just wager why you seriously hate him.

I mean I’d get a bit of dislike towards Rozier, but the blatant “hate” people have towards him I just don’t understand. Y’all talk about him like he just isn’t capable of doing anything. Like he shoots like Smart and runs point like Avery Bradley. He’s is muuuuch better as a starter than a bench player and I’m not just saying that, there are stars to prove it. He was like 12-3 last season as a starter.

His career shooting splits are very close to Marcus', and he has never come close to the efficiency of '18-'19 Smart.

I will be ecstatic when Rozier is no longer a Celtic. Garbage basketballer. One of my least favourite in a long long time.
Might throw a street party to celebrate

[RazzelnoDazzel]

What league are you watching that you would think that a combo guard who is at best a below average starting option would be in high demand?

The league is so stock full of productive scoring-focused lead guards that Deangelo Russell just had a season where he averaged 21 points and 7 assist on 51% EFG and yet he's closer to the middle of the point guard pack than the top of it.

D'Lo also has the benefit of actually possessing court vision, a useful trait in a point guard that Terry Rozier does not possess.


Even in his much lauded playoff run, Terry only put up approx. 16 pts 5 ast 5 reb 1 stl on 40/35/80 shooting with just a handful of free throw attempts. 

For his career, Terry has a TS% below 50%.

If you want to just look at Terry as a starter, for his career he averages basically 14 pts 5 ast 6 reb on 40% shooting from the field.  That's mediocre.

Terry Rozier is mediocre by any measure, including projecting his 2018 playoff performance to a full time starting gig, which is a dubious proposition at best.


If you're a team without a good starting point guard and you don't have a player at some other position who can perform lead-playmaker / shot-creator duties, you can just be bad for a year and select a guy in the draft.

Seems like in almost every draft there's at least one guard, if not several, with the skillset to average 15-20 points on solid efficiency as a primary pick and roll ball-handler.

Agreed with all of your points, except the bolded part...

D'Angelo is in the cusp of receiving the max, and wanna-be NBA pundits believe he isn't worth the max. I absolutely believe he does, and while his FTA and %, defense, and constant reliance on mid range jump shots should make any GM wary. He still brought the Nets back from that huge deficit of losing a few key players via injuries.

No D'Lo? No playoffs from my point of view.

Now the bolded part...

Just described Kyrie Irving in a nut shell, so I just wager why you seriously hate him.

I mean I’d get a bit of dislike towards Rozier, but the blatant “hate” people have towards him I just don’t understand. Y’all talk about him like he just isn’t capable of doing anything. Like he shoots like Smart and runs point like Avery Bradley. He’s is muuuuch better as a starter than a bench player and I’m not just saying that, there are stars to prove it. He was like 12-3 last season as a starter.

His career shooting splits are very close to Marcus', and he has never come close to the efficiency of '18-'19 Smart.

I will be ecstatic when Rozier is no longer a Celtic. Garbage basketballer. One of my least favourite in a long long time.
Might throw a street party to celebrate

He played 14 games as a starter he was 12-2 and shot 42, 40, 89

The Rozier haters are just going to have to get over it, he is no where near as bad as y’all think. He has taken bad shots, but he’s learning from Isiah and Kyrie... he’s going to have to figure out when to take shots and that comes with time and opportunity. His faults can be fixed, y’all make it seem like the ability isn’t there lol.