2016 draft

[gouki88]

Instead we came away with Yabusele and Zizic.

Wasted picks, in mine opinion.

I agree!! Seems like Danny has alot of them..Sully, Fab, Young etc

In what world was Sully a wasted pick? He did incredible for a guy that we took at #21 overall

Especially considering his injury red flags. Always wanted Sully to succeed

[Celtics4ever]

In what world was Sully a wasted pick? He did incredible for a guy that we took at #21 overall

So first rounders that eat themselves out of the league are a success now?   Big gamble, we lost.   Considering a guy like Draymond Green were still on the board and still in the league, we missed out.   Scouting is a lot of guess work, and sometimes folks see potential that is not there.  Hindsight is 20/20 though but Ainge does not have a great record drafting bigs.   I believe guys know the positions they play more than the ones they did not.

[Kuberski33]

Instead we came away with Yabusele and Zizic.

Wasted picks, in mine opinion.

Yup. Danny has done OK in the draft - but he blew it with those 2. Though when he moved Zizic, he was considered an asset at the time so I'm ok with that.  Whenever I see Yabu laughing it up on the bench and jacking 3's in garbage time 

Ujiri has done a much better job than Danny when it comes to finding below the radar talent.

[td450]

I think there are two things to take away from this.

1. The notion that a draft pick isn't worth much is crazy. The odds are always fairly low, but sometimes an all-star or even an MVP candidate emerges from almost anywhere in the draft.

2. Opportunity matters. You actually have to play someone to find out who they are.

[jambr380]

In what world was Sully a wasted pick? He did incredible for a guy that we took at #21 overall

So first rounders that eat themselves out of the league are a success now?   Big gamble, we lost.   Considering a guy like Draymond Green were still on the board and still in the league, we missed out.   Scouting is a lot of guess work, and sometimes folks see potential that is not there.  Hindsight is 20/20 though but Ainge does not have a great record drafting bigs.   I believe guys know the positions they play more than the ones they did not.

It's lame to cherry-pick individual late round picks that actually worked out well. Sure, you get a couple each year that surprise everybody. If they were really expected to be All-Stars, they would have gone in the top half of the lottery.

As for Sully, he was mostly a starter for three of his four years on the Cs and we made the playoffs in two of those years. As far as value, I'd say we did pretty well since he was on a rookie contract the whole time. We didn't re-sign him, just like we didn't re-sign Olynyk, and just like we aren't going to re-sign Rozier. I'd say all three of them had a pretty similar impact as Cs overall and that's all we should be looking at.

[SparzWizard]

Instead we came away with Yabusele and Zizic.

Wasted picks, in mine opinion.

Yup. Danny has done OK in the draft - but he blew it with those 2. Though when he moved Zizic, he was considered an asset at the time so I'm ok with that.  Whenever I see Yabu laughing it up on the bench and jacking 3's in garbage time 

Ujiri has done a much better job than Danny when it comes to finding below the radar talent.

Don't forget, trading Derozan and Poltl for Leonard and Green. Adding Marc Gasol midseason. Tremendous additions. Ujiri deserves GM of the year if you ask me.

[IDreamCeltics]

We needed to stash the picks for salary purposes

This is why I hate stashed picks

Right, we couldn't possibly have parted with James Young to open up one of those spots.

That draft will haunt me until my grave.

[Monkhouse]

We needed to stash the picks for salary purposes

This is why I hate stashed picks

Right, we couldn't possibly have parted with James Young to open up one of those spots.

That draft will haunt me until my grave.

Ah yes, the guy who believes Jaylen Brown would become Jeff Green without a jumpshot, is someone that is truly skilled at assessing scouting information for draftees?

Let me guess, Ainge missed out on Giannis, Irving trade will haunt us for a decade. Smart is a role player, Young shouldn't ever been drafted, and Yabusele was an head scratching move.

Very shrewd sir, very, very.

[hwangjini_1]

Instead we came away with Yabusele and Zizic.

Wasted picks, in mine opinion.

I agree!! Seems like Danny has alot of them..Sully, Fab, Young etc

all teams drafting in those spots in the draft have a lot of misses. as has been shown time and time again here, ainge is above average for the nba in drafting in the mid to late first round.

it really is a crap shoot.

[Moranis]

In what world was Sully a wasted pick? He did incredible for a guy that we took at #21 overall

So first rounders that eat themselves out of the league are a success now?   Big gamble, we lost.   Considering a guy like Draymond Green were still on the board and still in the league, we missed out.   Scouting is a lot of guess work, and sometimes folks see potential that is not there.  Hindsight is 20/20 though but Ainge does not have a great record drafting bigs.   I believe guys know the positions they play more than the ones they did not.

Of the 65 21st picks ever taken, Sullinger is 23rd in win shares (and 7th in winshares per 48).  He is 30th in games played.  So he was a middle of the road 21st pick overall and when he was actually on the floor he was a top tier 21st pick.  He just wasn't on the floor long enough, of course that is why he was the 21st pick to begin with. 

[BitterJim]

In what world was Sully a wasted pick? He did incredible for a guy that we took at #21 overall

So first rounders that eat themselves out of the league are a success now?   Big gamble, we lost.   Considering a guy like Draymond Green were still on the board and still in the league, we missed out.   Scouting is a lot of guess work, and sometimes folks see potential that is not there.  Hindsight is 20/20 though but Ainge does not have a great record drafting bigs.   I believe guys know the positions they play more than the ones they did not.

He didn't eat himself out of the league until after he had played out his contract with us. You seem to be expecting way too much out of the 21st overall pick; getting 3.5 years of starter-level performance (and being a key player off the bench in 2013 before his back surgery) is great value for a pick that late

If you're expecting an all star out of picks out side the lottery, you're delusional. There's a couple in almost every draft, but that's out of 46 non-lottery picks. It's a crap shoot as to what non-lottery players will be able to succeed despite their red flags/weaknesses (which every late pick has plenty of)

[Celtics4ever]

He didn't eat himself out of the league until after he had played out his contract with us.

This is revisionist history.   He battled weight problems for most of his time here.  He missed games for it, and causes him problems.   The slow death  of eatting himself out of the league started from the beginning and the fact that almost no one wanted him in free agency.   Indicates that the problems started much earlier.

If you're expecting an all star out of picks out side the lottery, you're delusional

Yet, it happens from time to time.   Manu Ginobili (57th)   Tony Parker (28th) , Isaiah Thomas (60th) and  I am sure I can name others.   Were I to have used delusional I would have got a warning by the mods of some sort so be careful using that word.   But for the record it does not bother me at all.   I agree it's a crap shoot, but it does happen although it is rare, certainly but I can name some more.

Draymond Green, DeAndre Jordan, Rodman, Joe Dumars, Dennis Johnson, and all  all stars taken outside of the lottery.  You were wrong about Sully and you're wrong about the all star claim, too.

[nickagneta]

Drafting good players late in the draft and expecting to do so are two different things. If you do find that diamond in the rough late in a draft, you should feel like you are lucky, not that you are good at it.

[nickagneta]

Also, C4E has a point. Delusional crosses a line. Let's be nicer to each other.

[hwangjini_1]

... Let's be nicer to each other.

i like you nick.