Woj: Rockets making CP3, others available

[Monkhouse]

Like... have y’all watched Capela play? He’s not impressive at all...and I also don’t understand why everyone is down and CP3. Who give a crap about his contract, with or without him we don’t have cap space anyway and when Kyrie leaves we need a PG ....

Have you? Capela isn't just a rim running big, he's a defensive anchor that can rebound, and make defenses aware of his presence on pick and rolls. It isn't like Harden just lobs it up, Capela is an expert at catching lobs.

I admit CP3 still has 1-2 good years left in him, but he would cripple our cap situation for years to come... But yes let's take the 34 year declining PG that is owed $159 million the next 4 years.... (And we will have ample cap space in about 2 years.)

As long as it's not your money, right?

You just described Theis and Williams if they got Minuets. I’m not advocating that we run out and get Chris Paul I’m just saying it’s at least something to be discussed if your only reasoning is his contract. Of course a cheaper version of CP3 Would be Rondo

Clint Capela is a 24 year old who finally got starting caliber minutes and averages 16.6 PPG, 12.7 RPG, and 1.4 APG...

Daniel Theis struggles to guard against most centers, he's only good at switching and helping on weak side.

Who knows if Williams will ever turn out as good as Capela, but eh what do I know...

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[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I don't want Chris Paul on this team; his numbers are great, but I've always felt he lacked something crucial, because he's never really been the type to carry a team, never really seemed to have that "extra gear" that champions have. Plus, his age is creeping up, so he couldn't be a long-term solution.

[smokeablount]

Clint Capela is the intriguing player here. Looking through my green colored glasses, I'm more interested in seeing how this can help the Celtics.

With all the talk of trading for Davis, could Danny quietly try to work out a three way trade and acquire Karl-Anthony Towns instead? I think Davis is the better player, but Towns is about to enter into his new 4 year max extension. It would take the sting away of losing some really good young players, knowing the player you acquire will be here for more than one year.

Boston – Karl-Anthony Towns
Minnesota  - Capela, Brown, Memphis pick
Houston – Tatum
(Principles only - ESPN trade machine not updated)

Then again, does New Orleans prefer to get another quality big man to help protect Zion Williamson? Maybe substitute New Orleans instead, and adjust trade from Boston's side to give less due to Davis only having one year remaining on his deal.

Towns would be my favorite get of all.

so, houston gets tatum for capela?

Just look at the assets the Celtics gave away and see if that return is good. You looking at it the way that you are will just over complicate the trade.

Celtics got rid of Tatum and Brown + Grizz Pick, in return for Towns. Are you ok with that?

The fact that the Rockets make out like bandits in this "trade" should tell you that someone is getting robbed. It looks like a pretty fair return for the Celtics, but the Wolves are getting absolutely shafted (and that might be an understatement)

Getting Brown, Capela, and a future pick for a franchise player that hasn't expressed a desire to leave and has 5 years left on his deal is an embarrassingly bad return

I don't see Towns as a franchise player.  At least not a franchise player on a championship contender.  However, you're correct that Minny is getting a poor return.  Tatum would need to go to Minny and Brown to Houston for starters to make the trade more even.

Is Ben Simmons a franchise player?

Because by your standards the Sixers do not have a franchise player.  No one on that team had advanced metrics as good as Towns.  If their 2-3 all stars + Reddick + Harris this year can't even get them to the conference finals than KAT can't be faulted for not making the playoffs with 0 guys on his team as good as a single one of Philly's starters.

[Monkhouse]

Clint Capela is the intriguing player here. Looking through my green colored glasses, I'm more interested in seeing how this can help the Celtics.

With all the talk of trading for Davis, could Danny quietly try to work out a three way trade and acquire Karl-Anthony Towns instead? I think Davis is the better player, but Towns is about to enter into his new 4 year max extension. It would take the sting away of losing some really good young players, knowing the player you acquire will be here for more than one year.

Boston – Karl-Anthony Towns
Minnesota  - Capela, Brown, Memphis pick
Houston – Tatum
(Principles only - ESPN trade machine not updated)

Then again, does New Orleans prefer to get another quality big man to help protect Zion Williamson? Maybe substitute New Orleans instead, and adjust trade from Boston's side to give less due to Davis only having one year remaining on his deal.

Towns would be my favorite get of all.

so, houston gets tatum for capela?

Just look at the assets the Celtics gave away and see if that return is good. You looking at it the way that you are will just over complicate the trade.

Celtics got rid of Tatum and Brown + Grizz Pick, in return for Towns. Are you ok with that?

The fact that the Rockets make out like bandits in this "trade" should tell you that someone is getting robbed. It looks like a pretty fair return for the Celtics, but the Wolves are getting absolutely shafted (and that might be an understatement)

Getting Brown, Capela, and a future pick for a franchise player that hasn't expressed a desire to leave and has 5 years left on his deal is an embarrassingly bad return

I don't see Towns as a franchise player.  At least not a franchise player on a championship contender.  However, you're correct that Minny is getting a poor return.  Tatum would need to go to Minny and Brown to Houston for starters to make the trade more even.

Is Ben Simmons a franchise player?

Because by your standards the Sixers do not have a franchise player.  No one on that team had advanced metrics as good as Towns.  If their 2-3 all stars + Reddick + Harris this year can't even get them to the conference finals than KAT can't be faulted for not making the playoffs with 0 guys on his team as good as a single one of Philly's starters.

Embiid is definitely a franchise player... Regardless of Towns having better stats, Embiid is the far better defender.

But yeah the notion that Towns isn't a franchise player is ridiculous.

Players at the age of 23 don't just drop 24/12/3 on 51/40/82... He can always improve on defense, he's still young enough.

[smokeablount]

Like... have y’all watched Capela play? He’s not impressive at all...and I also don’t understand why everyone is down and CP3. Who give a crap about his contract, with or without him we don’t have cap space anyway and when Kyrie leaves we need a PG ....

Have you? Capela isn't just a rim running big, he's a defensive anchor that can rebound, and make defenses aware of his presence on pick and rolls. It isn't like Harden just lobs it up, Capela is an expert at catching lobs.

I admit CP3 still has 1-2 good years left in him, but he would cripple our cap situation for years to come... But yes let's take the 34 year declining PG that is owed $159 million the next 4 years.... (And we will have ample cap space in about 2 years.)

As long as it's not your money, right?

You just described Theis and Williams if they got Minuets. I’m not advocating that we run out and get Chris Paul I’m just saying it’s at least something to be discussed if your only reasoning is his contract. Of course a cheaper version of CP3 Would be Rondo

No he didn't.  Look up Capela's stats last year.  If Williams or Theis could do that they'd get minutes not languish on the bench or get in the game and barely average 1/3 of what Capela did. 

[smokeablount]

Double post.

[smokeablount]

Clint Capela is the intriguing player here. Looking through my green colored glasses, I'm more interested in seeing how this can help the Celtics.

With all the talk of trading for Davis, could Danny quietly try to work out a three way trade and acquire Karl-Anthony Towns instead? I think Davis is the better player, but Towns is about to enter into his new 4 year max extension. It would take the sting away of losing some really good young players, knowing the player you acquire will be here for more than one year.

Boston – Karl-Anthony Towns
Minnesota  - Capela, Brown, Memphis pick
Houston – Tatum
(Principles only - ESPN trade machine not updated)

Then again, does New Orleans prefer to get another quality big man to help protect Zion Williamson? Maybe substitute New Orleans instead, and adjust trade from Boston's side to give less due to Davis only having one year remaining on his deal.

Towns would be my favorite get of all.

so, houston gets tatum for capela?

Just look at the assets the Celtics gave away and see if that return is good. You looking at it the way that you are will just over complicate the trade.

Celtics got rid of Tatum and Brown + Grizz Pick, in return for Towns. Are you ok with that?

The fact that the Rockets make out like bandits in this "trade" should tell you that someone is getting robbed. It looks like a pretty fair return for the Celtics, but the Wolves are getting absolutely shafted (and that might be an understatement)

Getting Brown, Capela, and a future pick for a franchise player that hasn't expressed a desire to leave and has 5 years left on his deal is an embarrassingly bad return

I don't see Towns as a franchise player.  At least not a franchise player on a championship contender.  However, you're correct that Minny is getting a poor return.  Tatum would need to go to Minny and Brown to Houston for starters to make the trade more even.

Is Ben Simmons a franchise player?

Because by your standards the Sixers do not have a franchise player.  No one on that team had advanced metrics as good as Towns.  If their 2-3 all stars + Reddick + Harris this year can't even get them to the conference finals than KAT can't be faulted for not making the playoffs with 0 guys on his team as good as a single one of Philly's starters.

Embiid is definitely a franchise player... Regardless of Towns having better stats, Embiid is the far better defender.

But yeah the notion that Towns isn't a franchise player is ridiculous.

Players at the age of 23 don't just drop 24/12/3 on 51/40/82... He can always improve on defense, he's still young enough.

Agreed, just pointing out that if you / whoever is saying Towns with top 8 advanced metrics in the NBA and no legit help isn't a franchise player, then by that logic neither is anyone on the Sixers.  By that logic, a franchise player + 2 all stars + a 16-18 point scorer + an 18-7 guy for his former team has to do better than the Eastern Conference semi-finals to be a franchise player, if Towns isn't one. 

[Monkhouse]

Clint Capela is the intriguing player here. Looking through my green colored glasses, I'm more interested in seeing how this can help the Celtics.

With all the talk of trading for Davis, could Danny quietly try to work out a three way trade and acquire Karl-Anthony Towns instead? I think Davis is the better player, but Towns is about to enter into his new 4 year max extension. It would take the sting away of losing some really good young players, knowing the player you acquire will be here for more than one year.

Boston – Karl-Anthony Towns
Minnesota  - Capela, Brown, Memphis pick
Houston – Tatum
(Principles only - ESPN trade machine not updated)

Then again, does New Orleans prefer to get another quality big man to help protect Zion Williamson? Maybe substitute New Orleans instead, and adjust trade from Boston's side to give less due to Davis only having one year remaining on his deal.

Towns would be my favorite get of all.

so, houston gets tatum for capela?

Just look at the assets the Celtics gave away and see if that return is good. You looking at it the way that you are will just over complicate the trade.

Celtics got rid of Tatum and Brown + Grizz Pick, in return for Towns. Are you ok with that?

The fact that the Rockets make out like bandits in this "trade" should tell you that someone is getting robbed. It looks like a pretty fair return for the Celtics, but the Wolves are getting absolutely shafted (and that might be an understatement)

Getting Brown, Capela, and a future pick for a franchise player that hasn't expressed a desire to leave and has 5 years left on his deal is an embarrassingly bad return

I don't see Towns as a franchise player.  At least not a franchise player on a championship contender.  However, you're correct that Minny is getting a poor return.  Tatum would need to go to Minny and Brown to Houston for starters to make the trade more even.

Is Ben Simmons a franchise player?

Because by your standards the Sixers do not have a franchise player.  No one on that team had advanced metrics as good as Towns.  If their 2-3 all stars + Reddick + Harris this year can't even get them to the conference finals than KAT can't be faulted for not making the playoffs with 0 guys on his team as good as a single one of Philly's starters.

Embiid is definitely a franchise player... Regardless of Towns having better stats, Embiid is the far better defender.

But yeah the notion that Towns isn't a franchise player is ridiculous.

Players at the age of 23 don't just drop 24/12/3 on 51/40/82... He can always improve on defense, he's still young enough.

I'm aware, but if you're saying Towns with top 8 advanced metrics in the NBA and no legit help isn't a franchise player, then by that logic neither is anyone on the Sixers.  By that logic, a franchise player plus 2 all stars + a 16-18 point scorer + an 18-7 guy for his former team has to do better than ECF for that guy to be a franchise player.

Wait, but I'm not disagreeing with you.

I think KAT is about as untouchable/franchise player as you can get...

I still think his defense can improve, and honestly I think he's better off at the 4 like Al Horford. I think his length/wingspan will allow him to make up for speedier 4's, but smaller 4's won't be able to guard him on the perimeter and low post.

He's also a great passer and awesome teammate.

[smokeablount]

Clint Capela is the intriguing player here. Looking through my green colored glasses, I'm more interested in seeing how this can help the Celtics.

With all the talk of trading for Davis, could Danny quietly try to work out a three way trade and acquire Karl-Anthony Towns instead? I think Davis is the better player, but Towns is about to enter into his new 4 year max extension. It would take the sting away of losing some really good young players, knowing the player you acquire will be here for more than one year.

Boston – Karl-Anthony Towns
Minnesota  - Capela, Brown, Memphis pick
Houston – Tatum
(Principles only - ESPN trade machine not updated)

Then again, does New Orleans prefer to get another quality big man to help protect Zion Williamson? Maybe substitute New Orleans instead, and adjust trade from Boston's side to give less due to Davis only having one year remaining on his deal.

Towns would be my favorite get of all.

so, houston gets tatum for capela?

Just look at the assets the Celtics gave away and see if that return is good. You looking at it the way that you are will just over complicate the trade.

Celtics got rid of Tatum and Brown + Grizz Pick, in return for Towns. Are you ok with that?

The fact that the Rockets make out like bandits in this "trade" should tell you that someone is getting robbed. It looks like a pretty fair return for the Celtics, but the Wolves are getting absolutely shafted (and that might be an understatement)

Getting Brown, Capela, and a future pick for a franchise player that hasn't expressed a desire to leave and has 5 years left on his deal is an embarrassingly bad return

I don't see Towns as a franchise player.  At least not a franchise player on a championship contender.  However, you're correct that Minny is getting a poor return.  Tatum would need to go to Minny and Brown to Houston for starters to make the trade more even.

Is Ben Simmons a franchise player?

Because by your standards the Sixers do not have a franchise player.  No one on that team had advanced metrics as good as Towns.  If their 2-3 all stars + Reddick + Harris this year can't even get them to the conference finals than KAT can't be faulted for not making the playoffs with 0 guys on his team as good as a single one of Philly's starters.

Embiid is definitely a franchise player... Regardless of Towns having better stats, Embiid is the far better defender.

But yeah the notion that Towns isn't a franchise player is ridiculous.

Players at the age of 23 don't just drop 24/12/3 on 51/40/82... He can always improve on defense, he's still young enough.

I'm aware, but if you're saying Towns with top 8 advanced metrics in the NBA and no legit help isn't a franchise player, then by that logic neither is anyone on the Sixers.  By that logic, a franchise player plus 2 all stars + a 16-18 point scorer + an 18-7 guy for his former team has to do better than ECF for that guy to be a franchise player.

Wait, but I'm not disagreeing with you.

I think KAT is about as untouchable/franchise player as you can get...

I still think his defense can improve, and honestly I think he's better off at the 4 like Al Horford. I think his length/wingspan will allow him to make up for speedier 4's, but smaller 4's won't be able to guard him on the perimeter and low post.

He's also a great passer and awesome teammate.

My bad, TP, I realized that too late and edited my post while you were replying to me with this for a more accurate reply.

[philr13]

I guess the most obvious trade with Houston is Smart & Memphis pick for Capela. The salaries match. It's certainly a starting point for a trade.

Capela would probably thrive on a team that doesn't play as much hero-ball.

[smokeablount]

I guess the most obvious trade with Houston is Smart & Memphis pick for Capela. The salaries match. It's certainly a starting point for a trade.

Capela would probably thrive on a team that doesn't play as much hero-ball.

Just by virtue of the Rockets saying Capela is available first and not us asking about him first, I wouldn't trade the Memphis pick.  I like Pho's offer which better reflects the leverage we should have in these talks.  I'd offer Al, #20 or #22, and if I had to a lottery protected 1st like 2-3 years out.

[philr13]

I guess the most obvious trade with Houston is Smart & Memphis pick for Capela. The salaries match. It's certainly a starting point for a trade.

Capela would probably thrive on a team that doesn't play as much hero-ball.

Just by virtue of the Rockets saying Capela is available first and not us asking about him first, I wouldn't trade the Memphis pick.  I like Pho's offer which better reflects the leverage we should have in these talks.  I'd offer Al, #20 or #22, and if I had to a lottery protected 1st like 2-3 years out.

I've seen it reported that Houston is looking for youth and/or picks, which is why I'd assume that the MEM pick would be in play. It's really a matter of what the return would be. Smart and Capela's salaries match up. I'm skeptical about Capela actually being available.

Right now, Boston has no ability to offer Horford in a trade unless he's in favor of it. Houston might be a place he'd like to play. He considered Houston the last time he was a free agent.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Ok I’m officially done with this Capela thing. Y’all really would offer Al for Capela??? Capela is no where near the fry or of player Al is. Al is a farrrrrr and away better Offensive weapon than Capela will EVER be.

Someone else suggest “maybe Capela will thrive off a team that doesn’t play hero basketball”.... Hell no he won’t! He only scores because they do play hero basketball. I really have no clue who y’all think Capela is. We have a younger and cheaper Capela on the bench.

[LilRip]

What am I missing with Capela? Hyper athletic center with a high motor but not much basketball skills? Imo playing beside James Harden (and CP3) made his career. Like how playing beside Lebron made Tristan thompson’s Career.

I guess CC would be fine though as maybe the 5th best player on your team. 4th at most. Any higher and your team’s probably not a contender.

[Monkhouse]

Ok I’m officially done with this Capela thing. Y’all really would offer Al for Capela??? Capela is no where near the fry or of player Al is. Al is a farrrrrr and away better Offensive weapon than Capela will EVER be.

Someone else suggest “maybe Capela will thrive off a team that doesn’t play hero basketball”.... Hell no he won’t! He only scores because they do play hero basketball. I really have no clue who y’all think Capela is. We have a younger and cheaper Capela on the bench.

Not that I would suggest Al straight up for Capela, but... Lol, I think the irony is strong with this one.