Jackie Mac on Zach Lowe Podcast

[nickagneta]

I think Danny & Co are right --- if they dont' trade for AD at the draft they're not going to get the chance to do so later.

The plan has to be to trade for AD at the draft and then re-sign Kyrie.

If we don't hear much about the Celts trying to trade for AD at the draft, that's our signal that Kyrie has not given them the assurances they need.

Shouldn’t the plan be to trade for AD no matter what? I don’t see how Kyrie’s decision would affect that.

We need Kyrie to sign here or elsewhere before we trade for him plus without Kyrie, AD won’t resign here.

This is technically untrue. We can not trade for Davis so long as Kyrie is still on his current contract. Kyrie will need to opt out of his contract before an Anthony Davis trade can be consummated.

Consummated being the key word. Kyrie has to opt out of his last year before June 29th. But, a Davis deal can be agreed upon before the draft, Ainge select players that the Pelicans want, and the trade will be completed later that summer after Kyrie opts out.

So, really, anything is possible and the timing of things will be in flux

His opt out date is actually June 13th according to Keith Smith.

How is that possible? The NBA Finals have the possibility of going all the way until June 16th. If Boston was still playing and went to a games 6 and 7 on June 13th and 16th, Kyrie would have to opt out during the Finals and be ineligible to play those last two games.

That can't be right. The CBA date is June 29th.

He's opting out of next year's contract not his current years.

Derrrrrrr. That's right. Lol. TP4U

[RJ87]

These reports coming out about Rozier's attitude that sucked all year and now the team not being happy with Tatum makes you wonder about how much fans really think they know.

Brown spoke out against Kyrie. Brown was the player getting lectured by others publicly on the court. Brown struggled hard at the beginning of the season. Brown was accused of having low BBIQ. Brown was benched.

For a good part of the season it appeared to fans like Brown was a problem. Come the end of the year, now that stuff is leaking out, it appears Rozier and Tatum were the problem, that Brown appears to be the player with the highest BBIQ and that Brown has grown his game and was one of the team's two best playoff performers. Brown was playing the best basketball of his career the last 2 1/2 months


Meanwhile Tatum and Rozier regressed or plateaued and were weak to bad playoff performers. They sound like they were a problem in the locker room and yet, we never heard anything about the team having concerns or problems with them until now.

Rozier is gone. And if some of these reports are any indication, the team will be more than happy to keep Brown in a trade for Davis and send Tatum out.

I agree, going to quote what I wrote in another thread.

Yeah I simply don't understand the Kyrie detractors... Yes, was he a prima donna? Check. Did he take reckless dumb shots, especially that heavily contested stepback fadeaway on Giannis at the left side? Check. Was he on and off with media, and hinting at his displeasure at how the team was, and not stepping up as a leader? Check.

But he's a top 25 player, that hasn't even eclipsed his prime... Also we would have his bird rights, which means we can go over the cap, and re-sign, and trade him later on in the future... There is NO point in letting Kyrie just walk away for nothing...

That being said, I'm just befuddled as to what really happened... I'm sure we will find out more information in the future about why the downfall of our team, and our chemistry fluctuated. But Kyrie wasn't like this last year... This is why I'm so confused. I have to believe the usual suspects were probably Tatum, (his comments saying that he thinks he could be the 'man,' in NOP,) Rozier for his disparaging commentary regarding his 'role.' And finally Morris who said he wasn't happy about his role, and believed he should be starting.

I just don't get it. I really think making ECF last year might've been the worst thing for our young players... Instead of working hard to build on their weaknesses, they took it as, "let me just chuck the most 3's," and hope everything falls into place.

Anyways, getting back on topic, I'm okay with Bradley Beal, but at what cost?

Not giving up Tatum or Brown for him, Beal is a great player, and All-star, but if I'm giving up Tatum or Brown, I'm expecting someone that can momentously change the tide of the game. Is Beal that type of player?

I think Rozier took his coming off bench as an insult. (As if he's better than Smart, Brown, or Hayward.) Scary Terry really got to his head.

And I think Tatum was convinced he was a superstar in the making. Lazy defense this year, stayed away from spot up/catch and shoot 3's, and generally just took awful shots. His shot selection was not only terrible, but he refused to drive for contact/FTA's. I think sophomore slump, trade rumors, and him claiming that he could be the go to guy or 'man,' at NOP messed him up.

Agree with all of this which is why "ugh, Kyrie's a cancer" is a flawed narrative to me. The idea that he was bothered by the playoff run last year is also a flawed narrative because we all saw the enthusiasm he came in with to start this season. Again, Kyrie had a ton of blame here but there's plenty to go around; from Danny not realizing that he needed to trade Rozier and bring in a vet off the bench who understood and accepted his role, to Brad not making guys comfortable in their roles and rushing an unproven Hayward back into the starting line-up (because I do think that ruffled some feathers), to the players for not coming together for each other - this thing was an organizational failure.

[Monkhouse]

These reports coming out about Rozier's attitude that sucked all year and now the team not being happy with Tatum makes you wonder about how much fans really think they know.

Brown spoke out against Kyrie. Brown was the player getting lectured by others publicly on the court. Brown struggled hard at the beginning of the season. Brown was accused of having low BBIQ. Brown was benched.

For a good part of the season it appeared to fans like Brown was a problem. Come the end of the year, now that stuff is leaking out, it appears Rozier and Tatum were the problem, that Brown appears to be the player with the highest BBIQ and that Brown has grown his game and was one of the team's two best playoff performers. Brown was playing the best basketball of his career the last 2 1/2 months


Meanwhile Tatum and Rozier regressed or plateaued and were weak to bad playoff performers. They sound like they were a problem in the locker room and yet, we never heard anything about the team having concerns or problems with them until now.

Rozier is gone. And if some of these reports are any indication, the team will be more than happy to keep Brown in a trade for Davis and send Tatum out.

I agree, going to quote what I wrote in another thread.

Yeah I simply don't understand the Kyrie detractors... Yes, was he a prima donna? Check. Did he take reckless dumb shots, especially that heavily contested stepback fadeaway on Giannis at the left side? Check. Was he on and off with media, and hinting at his displeasure at how the team was, and not stepping up as a leader? Check.

But he's a top 25 player, that hasn't even eclipsed his prime... Also we would have his bird rights, which means we can go over the cap, and re-sign, and trade him later on in the future... There is NO point in letting Kyrie just walk away for nothing...

That being said, I'm just befuddled as to what really happened... I'm sure we will find out more information in the future about why the downfall of our team, and our chemistry fluctuated. But Kyrie wasn't like this last year... This is why I'm so confused. I have to believe the usual suspects were probably Tatum, (his comments saying that he thinks he could be the 'man,' in NOP,) Rozier for his disparaging commentary regarding his 'role.' And finally Morris who said he wasn't happy about his role, and believed he should be starting.

I just don't get it. I really think making ECF last year might've been the worst thing for our young players... Instead of working hard to build on their weaknesses, they took it as, "let me just chuck the most 3's," and hope everything falls into place.

Anyways, getting back on topic, I'm okay with Bradley Beal, but at what cost?

Not giving up Tatum or Brown for him, Beal is a great player, and All-star, but if I'm giving up Tatum or Brown, I'm expecting someone that can momentously change the tide of the game. Is Beal that type of player?

I think Rozier took his coming off bench as an insult. (As if he's better than Smart, Brown, or Hayward.) Scary Terry really got to his head.

And I think Tatum was convinced he was a superstar in the making. Lazy defense this year, stayed away from spot up/catch and shoot 3's, and generally just took awful shots. His shot selection was not only terrible, but he refused to drive for contact/FTA's. I think sophomore slump, trade rumors, and him claiming that he could be the go to guy or 'man,' at NOP messed him up.

Agree with all of this which is why "ugh, Kyrie's a cancer" is a flawed narrative to me. The idea that he was bothered by the playoff run last year is also a flawed narrative because we all saw the enthusiasm he came in with to start this season. Again, Kyrie had a ton of blame here but there's plenty to go around; from Danny not realizing that he needed to trade Rozier and bring in a vet off the bench who understood and accepted his role, to Brad not making guys comfortable in their roles and rushing an unproven Hayward back into the starting line-up (because I do think that ruffled some feathers), to the players for not coming together for each other - this thing was an organizational failure.

Totally agree, I felt like Brown, Smart, and Baynes/Horford were also scapegoats this year. People were complaining that Horford looked a step slower, and were wary of him exercising his player option, and as we all witnessed... He did work in the playoffs as usual. People also claimed Baynes was injury prone, (I think I agree, but he's also a bruiser and on the wrong side of 30.)

Smart and Brown were also judged unfairly beginning of the season, and Smart eventually won his haters by averaging his best 3P %. And we already know what Brown has accomplished.

That being said, I do want Irving/Morris back on our team. Morris has moxie, even if his shot selection is terribad at times.

Hayward shouldn't have ever started. I think we all agreed that Hayward wasn't ready, and starting him would annoy and create some friction in the locker room.

[nickagneta]

I would gladly bring back Morris. Wonder if bringing back Marcus means we have to sign Markieff?

Morris, as a whole, was great this year. I have no problem with Morris as our future 6th man.

[Monkhouse]

I would gladly bring back Morris. Wonder if bringing back Marcus means we have to sign Markieff?

Morris, as a whole, was great this year. I have no problem with Morris as our future 6th man.

Considering they both share the same bank accounts, I hope one signs for the vet minimum lol.

[RJ87]

I would gladly bring back Morris. Wonder if bringing back Marcus means we have to sign Markieff?

Morris, as a whole, was great this year. I have no problem with Morris as our future 6th man.

Morris was solid a year. He had a bit of a shooting slump to end the regular season, but he bounced back in the playoffs. He's a good vet, wants to win, accepts whatever role you throw at him. That's the type of guy you need on the team.

[moiso]

I would gladly bring back Morris. Wonder if bringing back Marcus means we have to sign Markieff?

Morris, as a whole, was great this year. I have no problem with Morris as our future 6th man.

Morris was solid a year. He had a bit of a shooting slump to end the regular season, but he bounced back in the playoffs. He's a good vet, wants to win, accepts whatever role you throw at him. That's the type of guy you need on the team.

He played for the Celtics in the playoffs and was great.  I'd love to bring back that guy.  The guy from the regular season looked like he was playing for himself and his next contract.  I wonder if the new contract will ensure that we get playoff Morris for a couple years.