What's exactly the downside if the deal falls through?

[Ogaju]

1 Thomas returning to Boston is a downside
2 having to deal with Crowder and starting him and Hayward together
3 Thomas is not fitting into the future of Boston

I would be surprised if Thomas does not miss more than half the season. Rozier or Larkin starting is a huge downside

I do not want Thomas anywhere near the celtics. He is not a max player and he now makes them a worse team being hurt

That's not a downside that's the origin point, we lost nothing during the process

I agree TP!!

[celticinorlando]

What could happen is Kyrie is in the fold, Thomas is gone and Boston gets a top 2-5 pick from the Lakers. This would be simply the best

[No Nickname]

What kind of seed in the East is Boston if they do not have IT for the regular season and they do not have Kyrie? 4 ?

You mean if we're starting Marcus Smart all year?

On the level of Charlotte, Milwaukee, etc.

An also ran. First round fodder.

Moving forward, we would have no lead option and no easy way to get one.

I don't understand how people are having trouble grasping why this would be so bad.

It's not as bad as you are making it out to be. IT obviously wasn't in the C's plans going forward and he had very little trade value to begin with. Cavs are just getting cold feet now because the C's are going to win this trade if it goes through lol

If IT was never in the plans, why did they pass up the opportunity to draft his replacement? I don't buy it.

That's a great point, and defense tactic #1 by Danny if the Cavs say he knew IT was more injured than he let on.

Why would Danny have traded the #1 pick (and a brand new point guard) for Jayson Tatum if he knew IT wasn't going to play for much of the season or needed surgery?

Maybe because he thinks Tatum is going to be the best player of the 3 long term for the C's.

That's not my point. If Danny knew IT wasn't going to play for much of this season he would have been more likely to have drafted the best guard in this draft. Or try to find another starting caliber point guard. The Kyrie trade was no sure thing and didn't pop up as a possibility until well after the draft.

So Danny really can't be accused of knowing IT was a lame duck and tricked the Cavs. As some in Cleveland are saying.

[JHTruth]

Not much IMHO. No Kyrie but I was never impressed by him anyway. Thought we gave up way much. IT will be difficult to deal with but ultimately money talks and he may realize were the only ones willing to pay him even close to a big salary..

[BostonClamCrowdah]

Not much IMHO. No Kyrie but I was never impressed by him anyway. Thought we gave up way much. IT will be difficult to deal with but ultimately money talks and he may realize were the only ones willing to pay him even close to a big salary..

Lol jfc you are crazy

[PaulP34]

THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE! I AM READY TO ROLL!

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[Th3M2n]

Wait...

So we finished as the #1 seed last year and went to the ECF.  We gained a BETTER player (Haward) than IT and Tatum with the #3 pick but we'd be screwed if IT wasn't able to play?

Do you guys even see how illogical that is?

[Phantom255x]

Wait...

So we finished as the #1 seed last year and went to the ECF.  We gained a BETTER player (Haward) than IT and Tatum with the #3 pick but we'd be screwed if IT wasn't able to play?

Do you guys even see how illogical that is?

No, what's illogical is the fact that you think last year's Hayward > IT.

IT was easily the better player last year and that's a big reason this team made the ECF.

Hayward will help but lets be real, Isaiah had a 29/6 season for us last season and if this trade gets vetoed and IT does miss significant time... do you think Hayward is capable of replicating Isaiah's previous season?

That won't be an issue at all if deal goes through and C's get Irving still.

[Ogaju]

Wait...

So we finished as the #1 seed last year and went to the ECF.  We gained a BETTER player (Haward) than IT and Tatum with the #3 pick but we'd be screwed if IT wasn't able to play?

Do you guys even see how illogical that is?

No, what's illogical is the fact that you think last year's Hayward > IT.

IT was easily the better player last year and that's a big reason this team made the ECF.

Hayward will help but lets be real, Isaiah had a 29/6 season for us last season and if this trade gets vetoed and IT does miss significant time... do you think Hayward is capable of replicating Isaiah's previous season?

That won't be an issue at all if deal goes through and C's get Irving still.

Heyward replicating IT's production in 2016 is not the question. Whether IT can replicate that production is the real question.

[TheSundanceKid]

Isn't this obvious? If the deal falls through it is because Isaiah's injury is worse than we have all thought. So our expectations for the season should be reduced. That's an obvious downside. It doesn't matter if that was the case before the trade or not, it matters that the trade happened and then it didn't.

The other element is our ability to get value for our assets going forward. It does seem clear that doesn't want to give a 5 year max to Thomas, given a long lay off would Isaiah take a shorter contract instead? If there is doubt there Danny will trade him. But you can be sure that the return won't be as high as Kyrie.

Also to clear something up. Isaiah was as important to the trade as the Brooklyn pick. This narrative that it was the Brooklyn pick that was the big deal anyway is two faced. It never ceases to amaze me how selective a fans memory can be. After all it was less than a week ago.

Cleveland wanted a return that helped them now and in the future. Isaiah was the now, the pick the future. Both were needed to make the trade work

1.The moment the deal is announced some of us knew IT's hip is gone
2.Of course they want it, guess what they won't get it

1. You didn't know, you speculated. Maybe you speculated that it was an overpay and therefore there must be something wrong with Isaiah because Danny would never overpay for s guy like Kyrie...

2. Cleveland will get it, maybe not from us but from someone else. It might not be as good a package but if Isaiah really is that hurt then the win now side of the deal could be better.

[playdream]

Isn't this obvious? If the deal falls through it is because Isaiah's injury is worse than we have all thought. So our expectations for the season should be reduced. That's an obvious downside. It doesn't matter if that was the case before the trade or not, it matters that the trade happened and then it didn't.

The other element is our ability to get value for our assets going forward. It does seem clear that doesn't want to give a 5 year max to Thomas, given a long lay off would Isaiah take a shorter contract instead? If there is doubt there Danny will trade him. But you can be sure that the return won't be as high as Kyrie.

Also to clear something up. Isaiah was as important to the trade as the Brooklyn pick. This narrative that it was the Brooklyn pick that was the big deal anyway is two faced. It never ceases to amaze me how selective a fans memory can be. After all it was less than a week ago.

Cleveland wanted a return that helped them now and in the future. Isaiah was the now, the pick the future. Both were needed to make the trade work

1.The moment the deal is announced some of us knew IT's hip is gone
2.Of course they want it, guess what they won't get it

1. You didn't know, you speculated. Maybe you speculated that it was an overpay and therefore there must be something wrong with Isaiah because Danny would never overpay for s guy like Kyrie...

2. Cleveland will get it, maybe not from us but from someone else. It might not be as good a package but if Isaiah really is that hurt then the win now side of the deal could be better.

1.fine if you want to call this
2.then so be it, you take back the pick and call it a day

[TheSundanceKid]

2.then so be it, you take back the pick and call it a day

Agreed. This is just a power play by a new GM. Danny won't play ball and in a few days some minor alteration will happen and it'll go through. By minor I mean a swap of 2nd round picks or something. Only reason it'll take time is the principle of it

[azzenfrost]

Downside is drama and the wait for another opportunity to move for a better player.

[Somebody]

THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE! I AM READY TO ROLL!

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FINALLY SOMEONE WHO APPRECIATES IT AND OUR ASSETS! LET'S GO!!!

[libermaniac]

If Isaiah were hurt to where he needs surgery, the deal would already be off. Cleveland wants to compete for a title this year. So the fact they are still negotiating tells me we might be talking about an extra month, maybe two of rehab. So, they can't be far apart. Who would care if the Cs threw in their own first, or an additional second? This deal will get done - they can't be that far apart.