Rumor: Execs belive Cs will rekindle talks w/ Bulls about Butler

[tankcity!]

I know everyone is excited about the Nets pick this year, but Butler is a guarantee, where the draft pick has a chance to be good.

I'd give them Bradley, Smart and the Nets pick for Butler. Jae seems like the vocal leader of this team and with Butler having problems leading in Chicago, I'd like to keep Jae so that Butler can just fit in instead of needing to lead. It also doesn't hurt that Butler played with Crowder in college.

If by some miracle we could give them the '18 Nets pick instead of the '17 one I'd be ecstatic, but I just don't see that being realistic.

At this point, I think you have to include Brown in there, because there's no way he's going to develop properly behind both Crowder AND Butler at the swing position.

Here's what I'd offer them:

Chicago: Bradley, Zeller, Brown, Rozier, and the 2017 Brooklyn pick

Boston: Butler, Canaan

That's a fair offer that gives them an upgrade in prospects at the 1, 2, and 3, along with the best chances at the number one pick in this draft.

I'd then turn around and get serious about trading for Noel, offering up something like Jackson, the Memphis pick, AND the Clips pick for him, even the rights to someone like Yab if need be. With there being no other trade market for him at the moment and the fact that the 76ers simply aren't going to match the near-max offers he's going to get in free agency from the likes of Dallas, Brooklyn, etc., I think this should suffice for him.

That'd then leave us with a championship-level lineup of:

PG: IT, Smart
SG: Butler, Young/Canaan
SF: Crowder, Green
PF: Horford, KO/JJ
C: Noel, Amir

That trade hurts man. We can't beat the Cavs with this team and definitely not GS. I think Ainge would do it, but I wouldn't. I'd rather pray Brown, 17 nets pick, and 18 nets pick turn into all stars. So we have 3 all stars with Thomas, Bradley, Smart, and Horford. We sign Noel. Boom. Lebron's legs give out and we jump in.

[Vermont Green]

I suspect the asking price from Chicago continues to be unrealistically high (as was rumored around the last draft).  I would be willing to give one of Brown, BKN 2017 BKN 2018 (preferably one of the picks) and then other picks such as the Memphis pick (still could be very good).  It would also probably take Bradley and Zeller just for salary reasons.

So let's say:

BKN 2018, Memphis Pick, Yabusele, Bradley, Zeller

for

Butler

That is pretty good for Chicago but probably less than they are hoping for, thus the stalemate and the lack of a deal.

[SHAQATTACK]

I know everyone is excited about the Nets pick this year, but Butler is a guarantee, where the draft pick has a chance to be good.

I'd give them Bradley, Smart and the Nets pick for Butler. Jae seems like the vocal leader of this team and with Butler having problems leading in Chicago, I'd like to keep Jae so that Butler can just fit in instead of needing to lead. It also doesn't hurt that Butler played with Crowder in college.

If by some miracle we could give them the '18 Nets pick instead of the '17 one I'd be ecstatic, but I just don't see that being realistic.

At this point, I think you have to include Brown in there, because there's no way he's going to develop properly behind both Crowder AND Butler at the swing position.

Here's what I'd offer them:

Chicago: Bradley, Zeller, Brown, Rozier, and the 2017 Brooklyn pick

Boston: Butler, Canaan

That's a fair offer that gives them an upgrade in prospects at the 1, 2, and 3, along with the best chances at the number one pick in this draft.

I'd then turn around and get serious about trading for Noel, offering up something like Jackson, the Memphis pick, AND the Clips pick for him, even the rights to someone like Yab if need be. With there being no other trade market for him at the moment and the fact that the 76ers simply aren't going to match the near-max offers he's going to get in free agency from the likes of Dallas, Brooklyn, etc., I think this should suffice for him.

That'd then leave us with a championship-level lineup of:

PG: IT, Smart
SG: Butler, Young/Canaan
SF: Crowder, Green
PF: Horford, KO/JJ
C: Noel, Amir

That trade hurts man. We can't beat the Cavs with this team and definitely not GS. I think Ainge would do it, but I wouldn't. I'd rather pray Brown, 17 nets pick, and 18 nets pick turn into all stars. So we have 3 all stars with Thomas, Bradley, Smart, and Horford. We sign Noel. Boom. Lebron's legs give out and we jump in.

Agree,  you can't keep Crowder , he is not going to play off the bench behind Butler , I think he is already PO d about the whole deal.   .   I think one Nets pick 2018 plus Crowder ....AND .....either Smart , AB , or Brown .   Personally I would add AB  if I was inclined to make a trade .  But as you said ......I think Brown , 2017 , 2018 ......at least one of those will be pretty good in couple years and LeBron will be two years older in decline.......so keeping the deal intact might be the best guess for the mid - long term.

[jpotter33]

I know everyone is excited about the Nets pick this year, but Butler is a guarantee, where the draft pick has a chance to be good.

I'd give them Bradley, Smart and the Nets pick for Butler. Jae seems like the vocal leader of this team and with Butler having problems leading in Chicago, I'd like to keep Jae so that Butler can just fit in instead of needing to lead. It also doesn't hurt that Butler played with Crowder in college.

If by some miracle we could give them the '18 Nets pick instead of the '17 one I'd be ecstatic, but I just don't see that being realistic.

At this point, I think you have to include Brown in there, because there's no way he's going to develop properly behind both Crowder AND Butler at the swing position.

Here's what I'd offer them:

Chicago: Bradley, Zeller, Brown, Rozier, and the 2017 Brooklyn pick

Boston: Butler, Canaan

That's a fair offer that gives them an upgrade in prospects at the 1, 2, and 3, along with the best chances at the number one pick in this draft.

I'd then turn around and get serious about trading for Noel, offering up something like Jackson, the Memphis pick, AND the Clips pick for him, even the rights to someone like Yab if need be. With there being no other trade market for him at the moment and the fact that the 76ers simply aren't going to match the near-max offers he's going to get in free agency from the likes of Dallas, Brooklyn, etc., I think this should suffice for him.

That'd then leave us with a championship-level lineup of:

PG: IT, Smart
SG: Butler, Young/Canaan
SF: Crowder, Green
PF: Horford, KO/JJ
C: Noel, Amir

That trade hurts man. We can't beat the Cavs with this team and definitely not GS. I think Ainge would do it, but I wouldn't. I'd rather pray Brown, 17 nets pick, and 18 nets pick turn into all stars. So we have 3 all stars with Thomas, Bradley, Smart, and Horford. We sign Noel. Boom. Lebron's legs give out and we jump in.

I think that team is a legit threat to the Cavs and the Warriors. It shores up the defense, makes us significantly bigger with better rebounding, and adds another go-to scorer alongside IT. We'd also have four guys in the starting lineup that could legitimately switch everything on defense on the pick, which is where we've been increasingly bad this year.

The best part is that this scenario doesn't really mean we're sacrificing our future for the present either. We still have Brooklyn's pick next year and ALL of our own picks, so we still can add another top prospect in next year's draft. Further, Noel is still only 22 years old himself, and he has DPOY potential in the right situation. So trading for him is a no-brainer move in this situation since it serves both purposes.

FInally, Jae, Jimmy, and IT are all right at 26-27 years old in their prime, so it's not like we're trading for a bunch of 30 year olds. I think this is the best way to ensure both a contending present and a bright future.

[tankcity!]

I know everyone is excited about the Nets pick this year, but Butler is a guarantee, where the draft pick has a chance to be good.

I'd give them Bradley, Smart and the Nets pick for Butler. Jae seems like the vocal leader of this team and with Butler having problems leading in Chicago, I'd like to keep Jae so that Butler can just fit in instead of needing to lead. It also doesn't hurt that Butler played with Crowder in college.

If by some miracle we could give them the '18 Nets pick instead of the '17 one I'd be ecstatic, but I just don't see that being realistic.

At this point, I think you have to include Brown in there, because there's no way he's going to develop properly behind both Crowder AND Butler at the swing position.

Here's what I'd offer them:

Chicago: Bradley, Zeller, Brown, Rozier, and the 2017 Brooklyn pick

Boston: Butler, Canaan

That's a fair offer that gives them an upgrade in prospects at the 1, 2, and 3, along with the best chances at the number one pick in this draft.

I'd then turn around and get serious about trading for Noel, offering up something like Jackson, the Memphis pick, AND the Clips pick for him, even the rights to someone like Yab if need be. With there being no other trade market for him at the moment and the fact that the 76ers simply aren't going to match the near-max offers he's going to get in free agency from the likes of Dallas, Brooklyn, etc., I think this should suffice for him.

That'd then leave us with a championship-level lineup of:

PG: IT, Smart
SG: Butler, Young/Canaan
SF: Crowder, Green
PF: Horford, KO/JJ
C: Noel, Amir

That trade hurts man. We can't beat the Cavs with this team and definitely not GS. I think Ainge would do it, but I wouldn't. I'd rather pray Brown, 17 nets pick, and 18 nets pick turn into all stars. So we have 3 all stars with Thomas, Bradley, Smart, and Horford. We sign Noel. Boom. Lebron's legs give out and we jump in.

I think that team is a legit threat to the Cavs and the Warriors. It shores up the defense, makes us significantly bigger with better rebounding, and adds another go-to scorer alongside IT. We'd also have four guys in the starting lineup that could legitimately switch everything on defense on the pick, which is where we've been increasingly bad this year.

The best part is that this scenario doesn't really mean we're sacrificing our future for the present either. We still have Brooklyn's pick next year and ALL of our own picks, so we still can add another top prospect in next year's draft. Further, Noel is still only 22 years old himself, and he has DPOY potential in the right situation. So trading for him is a no-brainer move in this situation since it serves both purposes.

FInally, Jae, Jimmy, and IT are all right at 26-27 years old in their prime, so it's not like we're trading for a bunch of 30 year olds. I think this is the best way to ensure both a contending present and a bright future.

This is where I think we disagree. The problem with the scenario you put out was that IT/Butler would be our best player. I still think the Cavs have better players, lol. I think Irving is better than IT, I'm sorry but I do. And then I have LBJ>Butler. I have Love>Horford. I guess you can say Noel>Thompson? And that's just Cle. How are we supposed to beat the Warriors with that team? The only way to beat the Warriors is trading for someone like Cousins, because he is actually just as talented as Durant, Curry, LBJ. In this scenario, we still don't have that player. Our D would be good, but so is Cleveland's defense and Warriors defense. So I don't see how we would beat them.

[Monkhouse]

I question the leadership qualities of Butler. I extremely dislike how much of an ego Butler has, and its really going to make question how Stevens would be able to handle all these players.

Could Horford really be the center piece to keep every one in check?

Is Smart ever going to cut or change his hair?

Do you label Avert Bradley injury prone?

Who ever thought of 'Bae,' Crowder? Bae rhymes with Jae, but it just ain't okay, hey baby! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LefQdEMJP1I

Why does Klay Thompson always look high when he's on the court?

[mr. dee]

Pass. I'm not giving up Smart, Brown, BKN picks and even Yabu/Zizic for an egotistical locker room presence. I'm not sure how Butler could be efficient without the ball in his hands. Him and Dwade need the ball in their hands to be efficient.

If people don't like Melo, I'm not sure how you'll like Jimmy on offense.

[Neurotic Guy]

I am probably a too simplistic thinker on this, but since I don't see Butler as a superstar or #1 guy on a championship team, I would not give up the chance of selecting a superstar with the 2017 Nets pick.   This is the other way to look at a "sure thing" -- it is a sure thing that Butler is not a superstar (IMO).

[droopdog7]

I am probably a too simplistic thinker on this, but since I don't see Butler as a superstar or #1 guy on a championship team, I would not give up the chance of selecting a superstar with the 2017 Nets pick.   This is the other way to look at a "sure thing" -- it is a sure thing that Butler is not a superstar (IMO).

I think the premise is sound, though some would question whether Butler could lead a team to the title. 

[Bobshot]

In trading for Butler, the Celtics have only one thing that distinguishes them from other teams: that Nets 17 pick. That's their leverage. I don't think the Nets 18 pick has anywhere near the same value, at this point. The Nets could be a different team next year.

If Ainge doesn't want to give up that Nets 17 pick for Butler, he should just walk away.
He should be able to get Anthony for 2 years without giving up the Nets pick. Or even Noel.

[jambr380]

I think some posters need to visit LB's thread on why the BKN pick alone is an overpay for Butler.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=88977.msg2237066#new

I am probably a too simplistic thinker on this, but since I don't see Butler as a superstar or #1 guy on a championship team, I would not give up the chance of selecting a superstar with the 2017 Nets pick.   This is the other way to look at a "sure thing" -- it is a sure thing that Butler is not a superstar (IMO).

While my arm could be twisted into sending out one BKN pick (and nothing else of relevance) for Butler, this absolutely makes sense.

Adding multiple other pieces like Crowder, Brown, AB, and other picks seems a bit crazy.

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