Poll: IT for Noel+Saric+ Laker's First

[walker834]

IT + 17 brooklyn pick for Noel  and Okafor.  Done.  Fans are living in lala land thinking we are going to sway philly for less imo.  DA really needs to be aggressive too imo.  I don't think he is.

Shake it up. That's what this team needs.  So does Philly.

Shake it up?   After 7 games and 2-3 of the best players out for most of those games.   Knee jerk reaction much??

Speak for yourself.

[tyrone biggums]

IT and the nets pick next year for Okafor and Noel if you look at it is pretty equal. I agree fans are in lala land thinking we are getting these guys for crap though.

Listening to wyc he gets in these mindsets too why fireworks never happen.

Shake it up Danny. Shake it up.

I get shaking it up. But this is beyond dumb. IT's value alone is worth more than both. The Brooklyn Pick is going to most likely fall in the top 5. The draft this year is being hyped as the best draft since the LeBron one.

[celticsclay]

IT + 17 brooklyn pick for Noel  and Okafor.  Done.  Fans are living in lala land thinking we are going to sway philly for less imo.  DA really needs to be aggressive too imo.  I don't think he is.

Shake it up. That's what this team needs.  So does Philly.

Shake it up?   After 7 games and 2-3 of the best players out for most of those games.   Knee jerk reaction much??

Speak for yourself.

obsession with a backup center and the backup to the backup. can't make this stuff up.

[walker834]

I honestly think IT is somewhat overrated around here.  Not in the typical sense where someone would call him overrated.  I think he is better than guys like Bledsoe and Kemba Walker because he is an allstar and ahs proved he can carry a team and play a role within a system here.  He is important to this team as well because he is our primary scorer and creates so much that way.  I don't think I overrate him.  i think he's very good and important to this team. I think he is a key piece to this team.

I think next years brooklyn pick is also overvalued for different reasons.

We can still get players that can make as much an  impact here as these two assets.

I'm not sure myself if Marcus is ready to carry the load or will ever be that either, but I don't think exploring other ways to build is at all that silly.  We have a lot of guards. Having Marcus, BRadley, jaylen, Horford but Okafor and Noel and Crowder and Rozier and Jackson is just another way to look at it. We'd still have cap room and draft picks and the 18 brooklyn pick.  I've looked at next years draft and yeah we could get lucky but we also might not do better than jaylen or smart who we are already developing. 

I don't think IT or the brooklyn pick next year are untouchable on this team by any means.

[walker834]

We also might not find a better big man than Okafor or Noel in next years draft.  People forget these guys were the 3rd and 6th pick respectively I think.  They are still very young.  They've been in a weird situation in Philly.

Having a young core of Smart, Bradley, Jaylen, Okafor, Noel to go with Crowder and Horford and Rozier, Jackson and and our other guys is just another way to look at it.

We'd still have cap room and own the rights on these guys where we can match where trading for them is to a benefit. Plus picks coming up.

People whine about our rebounding woes and lack of interior defense and then get mad when someone fixes it.  That team is pretty sweet to me. 

Yeah there are other ways to do it. We are a smallish team who has to pay attention to crashers. We are missing horford and crowder right now. KO also isnt up to full speed.  There are other ways to build.  I agree with that. 

We aren't going to get guys like this for nothing. People who think that are not living in reality.  People can scoff at guys like this and cousins etc and say I wouldn't give up anything for him.  It's just posturing. If a deal is going to occur there's a difference there.  Philly is in our division.  Sac also isn't giving  us cousins for a box of dunkin donuts.  It's not happening.

[ThePaintedArea]

There is no obsession with those guys. 

Obviously I'm guilty of overblown rhetoric - "obsession" is a psychiatric term, and that doesn't apply to EVERY poster who proposes yet another trade for one of these guys...

In all seriousness, I don't mean to antagonize you - sometimes I forget that there are actual people on the other end of the Internet.

I also think IT is somewhat overrated.  He is a good player and our primary scorer and I'd be hesitant to trade him but most of what you say is false. 

What I said is that he's one of the top pnr ballhandlers in the league. Surely that's not a controversial statement?  And if you trade him, you'd better replace him.

Okafor is also a good passer in a bad situation.

The most charitable interpretation is that he's a non-passer who's risk-averse: low passing turnovers AND low assists also - when he gets the ball, it's going up.  The bigger world of that is how badly his game suits the NBA in 2016, but more to the point how badly his game suits Brad Stevens' Celtics. No doubt, he's a worker - obsessive, if you'll allow the word. No doubt there is upside.

 

Noel is also underrated that way.

His TOV% is over 18. No, you do not want to give him the ball. You do not want to run offense through him in any sense.

 

Both young players with some growing to do but with Horford here they would be allowed to do that.

So Brett Brown was not allowing them to grow? Hard to agree with that, since they both got major minutes. As a rookie, Okafor got 30 mins/game despite having the worst real plus-minus among all centers. Frankly, he was awful on both ends. It's a team game, and despite his obvious skills he has a long way to go before he's helping a team win.

I just think being aggressive here is not a bad idea.

I agree.

Okafor is not a specialty player.  He is a developing  young big man. So is Noel for that matter.

Okafor is a post-up specialist. You can't run pnr with him. You give him the ball and he does his thing, eating clock and holding on to the ball. Trading Thomas for him is doubly disastrous - say goodbye to "pace and space", high-tempo basketball. Apart from the gaping holes in his game, Okafor is a bad fit for Ainge/Stevens' vision of a modern ball- and man-movement offense.

Noel is a defensive specialist.  As young as he is, he has a positive impact on team defense. He's more than a shot-blocker.  But his offense is a deal-breaker if you want a guy who can play in a ball-movement offense.

Ainge himself tried to trade up to get Okafor.

Did HE say that? I'm skeptical about it, and about all such claims. Got a link?

Assumptions are funny though. How people respond is also telling. Way ahead of you in ways.  I have a mind of my own.

And no lack of confidence, apparently!  Thanks for the dialogue.

[guava_wrench]

Sure, let's not contend and not make the playoffs.  We can always cram more draft picks into this roster.  Right?

This is exactly me main problem. We need to turn multiple players into a single player. We don't need to keep multiplying so that we cut players other teams pick up.