Cleveland and Sacramento Trade idea

[Diggles]

 Sac and Cleveland would benefit by trading some players


Cuz and Gay for Love and TT.    Sac gets younger and holds onto their pick.  Cleveland gets a top 5 Center and good SG/SF.   

[TheSundanceKid]

You'd need much more for Cousins. Much much more

[Geo123]

You'd need much more for Cousins. Much much more

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[Big333223]

The last thing you'd hear is the sounds of Sacramento laughing as it hangs up the phone.

[PickNRoll]

Agree that Sac isn't interested, but Cousins, Kyrie and Lebron is nigh unbeatable.  Cousins puts this Cleveland team so far over the top.  Shaq and Kobe revisited.

[hodgy03038]

It's a ridiculously bad trade offer AND who cares about Sacramento and Cleveland??

[crimson_stallion]

Agree that Sac isn't interested, but Cousins, Kyrie and Lebron is nigh unbeatable.  Cousins puts this Cleveland team so far over the top.  Shaq and Kobe revisited.

Kevin Love has looked visibly frustrated multiple times since going to Cleveland with Lebron - has even publically talked about the frustrations of playing with him.

Many reports claim Kyrie and Lebron don't get along well.

Bosh made similar comments to love (about the challenge of playing with Lebron) after LBJ left Miami.

If playing with Lebron is as frustrating as it sounds, then I'm not sure that's a good atmosphere for a guy like Cousins.  I think he needs to go somewhere like Boston or San Antonio -  place where there is a strong culture and firm (but supportive) leadership.

I'm not sure I see Love working well in Sacramento either, for the same reasons. He couldn't handle being in a losing situation in Minnesota, to the point where he forced a trade.  Has expressed frustration in Cleveland.  He's obviously a very vocal guy who needs to be in a relatively stable and successful place to feel content.  I think Sacramento would be a disaster.

Sacramento needs guys like Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder, Amir Johnson, etc.  High character guys who are hard working, highly coachable, and who will try their best no matter what jersey they are wearing.  Hopefully that would then rub off on to some of the other guys on the team, and maybe (just maybe) you could slowly turn the culture around.

I think Sacramento needs to look at drafting a high character rookie like Hield, Dunn,, Murray, Brown or Poeltl.  Someone who will come in with their head in the right place.  Then add a couple of quality, high intangible veterans to the mix.  From there try to bring in a quality coach - doesn't have to be somebody with an all time great win record, just somebody who has univeral respect around the league and who is highly likable. Trying to pull in Jerry Sloan would be fantastic.

If I were them I wouldn't worry about hitting a home run right now and getting star players - I'd just focus on getting the team chemistry on point and building a positive culture  Once you do that you can potentially making quality players want to join you.   

Bring in a respected coach and some "high intangibles" support players, and I seriously think you can turn that culture around - and even get Demarcus Cousins in line.  I genuinely believe that Cousins would turn his attitude around in a huge way if he felt like he had other guys on the team who were really taking things seriously.

[csfansince60s]

It's a ridiculously bad trade offer AND who cares about Sacramento and Cleveland??

TP.....and this X10.

[PickNRoll]

Agree that Sac isn't interested, but Cousins, Kyrie and Lebron is nigh unbeatable.  Cousins puts this Cleveland team so far over the top.  Shaq and Kobe revisited.

Kevin Love has looked visibly frustrated multiple times since going to Cleveland with Lebron - has even publically talked about the frustrations of playing with him.

Many reports claim Kyrie and Lebron don't get along well.

Bosh made similar comments to love (about the challenge of playing with Lebron) after LBJ left Miami.

If playing with Lebron is as frustrating as it sounds, then I'm not sure that's a good atmosphere for a guy like Cousins.  I think he needs to go somewhere like Boston or San Antonio -  place where there is a strong culture and firm (but supportive) leadership.

I'm not sure I see Love working well in Sacramento either, for the same reasons. He couldn't handle being in a losing situation in Minnesota, to the point where he forced a trade.  Has expressed frustration in Cleveland.  He's obviously a very vocal guy who needs to be in a relatively stable and successful place to feel content.  I think Sacramento would be a disaster.

Valid concern if you're Sacramento, but if you're Cleveland, who cares what Kevin Love thinks?  I'll push all my chips in with Lebron any day.  Near as I can tell he's the best teammate anyone could dream of since Steve Nash or Larry Bird.  Lebron is Lebron.  He's a once-in-forever talent.  It's on Love to adjust.

I also think Cousins' issues are overstated.  He's competitive, and playing on a losing, dysfunctional team sucks.  I give Cousins a pass.  Draymond is lauded for being emotional and Cousins is vilified.

[crimson_stallion]

Agree that Sac isn't interested, but Cousins, Kyrie and Lebron is nigh unbeatable.  Cousins puts this Cleveland team so far over the top.  Shaq and Kobe revisited.

Kevin Love has looked visibly frustrated multiple times since going to Cleveland with Lebron - has even publically talked about the frustrations of playing with him.

Many reports claim Kyrie and Lebron don't get along well.

Bosh made similar comments to love (about the challenge of playing with Lebron) after LBJ left Miami.

If playing with Lebron is as frustrating as it sounds, then I'm not sure that's a good atmosphere for a guy like Cousins.  I think he needs to go somewhere like Boston or San Antonio -  place where there is a strong culture and firm (but supportive) leadership.

I'm not sure I see Love working well in Sacramento either, for the same reasons. He couldn't handle being in a losing situation in Minnesota, to the point where he forced a trade.  Has expressed frustration in Cleveland.  He's obviously a very vocal guy who needs to be in a relatively stable and successful place to feel content.  I think Sacramento would be a disaster.

Valid concern if you're Sacramento, but if you're Cleveland, who cares what Kevin Love thinks?  I'll push all my chips in with Lebron any day.  Near as I can tell he's the best teammate anyone could dream of since Steve Nash or Larry Bird.  Lebron is Lebron.  He's a once-in-forever talent.  It's on Love to adjust.

I also think Cousins' issues are overstated.  He's competitive, and playing on a losing, dysfunctional team sucks. I give Cousins a pass.  Draymond is lauded for being emotional and Cousins is vilified.

On your first point: Whatever team Kevin Love plays for cares what he thinks.  There are certain guys who have top shelf personalities, and who will play hard for you no matter where they go.  Kevin Love clearly isn't one of those guys, so if you are Sacramento why would you trade a 'troublemaking' star for a less talented star who could potentially cause just as much trouble?

Cleveland might also have the same concerns about Cousins, which may hold them back from pulling the trigger on that deal. 

I agree with you in that I also feel Cousin's issues are overblown, and that he'd be great in the right situation.  However I think it's pretty obvious that he's a guy with a volatile personality, who needs a certain type of environment to be happy.  I don't think he's the type of guy who would tolerate being 'ruled with an iron fist', or a guy who would like to be cast aside and told what to do by other players.  I see Lebron as the type who would try that, and I don't see it going down well.

Much as I would love to see Cousins punch Lebron out, I don't think the Cleveland organisation would like it quite so much.

[Diggles]

 Word was Rudy Gay could have been had for a pick and expiring at the trade deadline.   

I can see no cares about Cleveland and Sacramento.  I get those same comments from spoiled little brats wanting to take their ball home if they don't get picked to play....   

What if Gay stayed.   Cuz for Love and TT would surley be a decent offer.  Again, that is if Sac wants to trade Cuz, the Love and TT would trump anything Boston could give them.   Unless Sac wants to go into a full rebuild and get picks.    Rondo, Gay, Love and TT might be better than what they put on the floor last year.   I'd admit having Rondo and TT on the offensive end would be like the Rondo/Perk.   With out three future HOF of course.

Say Cleveland adds a 1st rounder.  (if they had any)   That might be enough for Sac.   TT Makes 15 Million, but is/was the best offensive rebound er 2015 right?     

I don't see this as a very one sided trade.   If sac has the cap to adsorb these guys and resign Rondo.   Plus sign their 1st Rounder.....

Cuz plus  for Love, TT and a First

[PickNRoll]

Agree that Sac isn't interested, but Cousins, Kyrie and Lebron is nigh unbeatable.  Cousins puts this Cleveland team so far over the top.  Shaq and Kobe revisited.

Kevin Love has looked visibly frustrated multiple times since going to Cleveland with Lebron - has even publically talked about the frustrations of playing with him.

Many reports claim Kyrie and Lebron don't get along well.

Bosh made similar comments to love (about the challenge of playing with Lebron) after LBJ left Miami.

If playing with Lebron is as frustrating as it sounds, then I'm not sure that's a good atmosphere for a guy like Cousins.  I think he needs to go somewhere like Boston or San Antonio -  place where there is a strong culture and firm (but supportive) leadership.

I'm not sure I see Love working well in Sacramento either, for the same reasons. He couldn't handle being in a losing situation in Minnesota, to the point where he forced a trade.  Has expressed frustration in Cleveland.  He's obviously a very vocal guy who needs to be in a relatively stable and successful place to feel content.  I think Sacramento would be a disaster.

Valid concern if you're Sacramento, but if you're Cleveland, who cares what Kevin Love thinks?  I'll push all my chips in with Lebron any day.  Near as I can tell he's the best teammate anyone could dream of since Steve Nash or Larry Bird.  Lebron is Lebron.  He's a once-in-forever talent.  It's on Love to adjust.

I also think Cousins' issues are overstated.  He's competitive, and playing on a losing, dysfunctional team sucks. I give Cousins a pass.  Draymond is lauded for being emotional and Cousins is vilified.

On your first point: Whatever team Kevin Love plays for cares what he thinks.  There are certain guys who have top shelf personalities, and who will play hard for you no matter where they go.  Kevin Love clearly isn't one of those guys, so if you are Sacramento why would you trade a 'troublemaking' star for a less talented star who could potentially cause just as much trouble?

Cleveland might also have the same concerns about Cousins, which may hold them back from pulling the trigger on that deal. 

I agree with you in that I also feel Cousin's issues are overblown, and that he'd be great in the right situation.  However I think it's pretty obvious that he's a guy with a volatile personality, who needs a certain type of environment to be happy.  I don't think he's the type of guy who would tolerate being 'ruled with an iron fist', or a guy who would like to be cast aside and told what to do by other players.  I see Lebron as the type who would try that, and I don't see it going down well.

Much as I would love to see Cousins punch Lebron out, I don't think the Cleveland organisation would like it quite so much.

I agree.  I don't like the deal for Sacramento at all.  There's no way to be sure the chemistry with Lebron works.  I'm dubious that Ty Lue is the guy to make this work.  But let's say Dwayne Casey or Doc Rivers is the coach and you add a couple Iguodala-type vets.  THEN that team is nigh unbeatable. 

[meangreenmachine]

Agree that Sac isn't interested, but Cousins, Kyrie and Lebron is nigh unbeatable.  Cousins puts this Cleveland team so far over the top.  Shaq and Kobe revisited.

I think Sacramento needs to look at drafting a high character rookie like Hield, Dunn,, Murray, Brown or Poeltl.  Someone who will come in with their head in the right place.  Then add a couple of quality, high intangible veterans to the mix.  From there try to bring in a quality coach - doesn't have to be somebody with an all time great win record, just somebody who has univeral respect around the league and who is highly likable. Trying to pull in Jerry Sloan would be fantastic.

Sadly, Sloan has been afflicted with Parkinson's and Lewy body disease.

[jay]

Can we get Harden and Kyrie on the same team?  All offense and no defense!