What about Kris Dunn?

[jambr380]

Oh I completely understand not wanting to draft someone if you cannot get your doctors to examine his medical information. That's a pragmatic reason to handle the pick that way.

But the moralizing like this is silly:

What ever happened to the day of rookies playing where they are told and not announcing who should and should not draft them ahead of time? Bunch of primadonna's in this day and age. Either way screw this kid. Hopefully he rots in Philly, Phoenix or Denver lol.

We'll have to agree to disagree.
This is the NBA draft, these guys are set to make millions. Every team should have the same information on eligible draftees, in fact I feel it should be a REQUIREMENT that all teams receive the same information on any giving player. Guys shouldn't have the ability to hold medical records from any team solely because they don't want to play for them. How is that fair? If a player elects to withhold information from any team they should be deemed ineligible for the NBA draft.
Unlike the real world, I can pick and choose who I want to work for, I send my resume for jobs I'm interested in.. if I don't like a company I don't apply. This is the NBA, you play for who selects you, if you want a career where you select the company you work for out of college you should have went for a business degree and not for basketball.

TP - I agree with this, especially the bolded part. You are in a draft - you go where you are picked, not pick where you want to go. You can try telling teams not to draft you, sure, but every team should have the same information about every player (not including workouts for individual teams).

[PickNRoll]

If Dunn thinks he's good enough to call shots then he shouldn't be worried about a crowded back court.  If he'd rather get numbers playing for Philly than hone his game on a playoff team under Brad Stevens, then he's not a good fit here.

[Evantime34]

The idea that Dunn wants to go to a team where he can play right away seems reasonable. The reason Dunn doesn't want to work out here and why I don't want the Celtics to draft him are one and the same.

Dunn replicates what we already have and doesn't help improve upon any of our weaknesses. I'm not going to be mad he supposedly doesn't want to play here because I don't want him playing here.

That being said, if Dunn can kill it in the workouts and force a team to trade up to get him then he probably will have done the Celtics a huge favor.

[jbpats]

The idea that Dunn wants to go to a team where he can play right away seems reasonable. The reason Dunn doesn't want to work out here and why I don't want the Celtics to draft him are one and the same.

Dunn replicates what we already have and doesn't help improve upon any of our weaknesses. I'm not going to be mad he supposedly doesn't want to play here because I don't want him playing here.

That being said, if Dunn can kill it in the workouts and force a team to trade up to get him then he probably will have done the Celtics a huge favor.

How so? Isn't it actually a disadvantage to the Celtics and Suns? Dunn kills his workouts, but at the same time tells PHX and BOS he doesn't want to play with them and won't disclose his medical records to them to avoid being drafted by them.
In theory if a team really wanted him they wouldn't have to really worry about him being drafted until 5 onwards. I'd assume the trade chips to move to the 5 position over the 3 are much less.
Obviously Boston can threaten to draft him, but I'd think teams would call their bluff knowing his open disinterest to play for the Celtics.
If I was a GM and Ainge called me saying I'm taking your boy Dunn at 3 unless you trade with me, i'd tell him flat out have fun with that toxic relationship.

[Lucky17]

The idea that Dunn wants to go to a team where he can play right away seems reasonable. The reason Dunn doesn't want to work out here and why I don't want the Celtics to draft him are one and the same.

Dunn replicates what we already have and doesn't help improve upon any of our weaknesses. I'm not going to be mad he supposedly doesn't want to play here because I don't want him playing here.

That being said, if Dunn can kill it in the workouts and force a team to trade up to get him then he probably will have done the Celtics a huge favor.

How so? Isn't it actually a disadvantage to the Celtics and Suns? Dunn kills his workouts, but at the same time tells PHX and BOS he doesn't want to play with them and won't disclose his medical records to them to avoid being drafted by them.
In theory if a team really wanted him they wouldn't have to really worry about him being drafted until 5 onwards.
Obviously Boston can threaten to draft him, but I'd think teams would call their bluff knowing his open disinterest to play for the Celtics.
If I was a GM and Ainge called me saying I'm taking your boy Dunn at 3 unless you trade with me, i'd tell him flat out have fun with that toxic relationship.

No, Ainge would say, "I'm taking your boy Dunn and trading him to ____ unless you can beat their offer."

[Evantime34]

The idea that Dunn wants to go to a team where he can play right away seems reasonable. The reason Dunn doesn't want to work out here and why I don't want the Celtics to draft him are one and the same.

Dunn replicates what we already have and doesn't help improve upon any of our weaknesses. I'm not going to be mad he supposedly doesn't want to play here because I don't want him playing here.

That being said, if Dunn can kill it in the workouts and force a team to trade up to get him then he probably will have done the Celtics a huge favor.

How so? Isn't it actually a disadvantage to the Celtics and Suns? Dunn kills his workouts, but at the same time tells PHX and BOS he doesn't want to play with them and won't disclose his medical records to them to avoid being drafted by them.
In theory if a team really wanted him they wouldn't have to really worry about him being drafted until 5 onwards. I'd assume the trade chips to move to the 5 position over the 3 are much less.
Obviously Boston can threaten to draft him, but I'd think teams would call their bluff knowing his open disinterest to play for the Celtics.
If I was a GM and Ainge called me saying I'm taking your boy Dunn at 3 unless you trade with me, i'd tell him flat out have fun with that toxic relationship.

I meant that if Dunn kills it in workouts more teams will call Boston to try to trade up to get him. Ideally you have at least two teams that will want him and they will both try to trade up as high as possible to get him. Since the first two picks are kind of set the third pick will be where teams need to trade up to, to guarantee getting Dunn.

[PaulP34]

The idea that Dunn wants to go to a team where he can play right away seems reasonable. The reason Dunn doesn't want to work out here and why I don't want the Celtics to draft him are one and the same.

Dunn replicates what we already have and doesn't help improve upon any of our weaknesses. I'm not going to be mad he supposedly doesn't want to play here because I don't want him playing here.

That being said, if Dunn can kill it in the workouts and force a team to trade up to get him then he probably will have done the Celtics a huge favor.

How so? Isn't it actually a disadvantage to the Celtics and Suns? Dunn kills his workouts, but at the same time tells PHX and BOS he doesn't want to play with them and won't disclose his medical records to them to avoid being drafted by them.
In theory if a team really wanted him they wouldn't have to really worry about him being drafted until 5 onwards.
Obviously Boston can threaten to draft him, but I'd think teams would call their bluff knowing his open disinterest to play for the Celtics.
If I was a GM and Ainge called me saying I'm taking your boy Dunn at 3 unless you trade with me, i'd tell him flat out have fun with that toxic relationship.

No, Ainge would say, "I'm taking your boy Dunn and trading him to ____ unless you can beat their offer."

But there's got to be demand for him. The laws off supply and demand come into effect. Say Philly wants him but knows the Celtics or Suns won't draft him but the next team in line will. That's the team Philly will make trades with. Sacramento might be high on the kid but not many other teams are in need of a PG. Celtics hold no weight when in trades when it comes to Dunn. Its better off we let that option be fought over by other teams while we have our own agenda. Leave that one alone IMO.

[Lucky17]

The idea that Dunn wants to go to a team where he can play right away seems reasonable. The reason Dunn doesn't want to work out here and why I don't want the Celtics to draft him are one and the same.

Dunn replicates what we already have and doesn't help improve upon any of our weaknesses. I'm not going to be mad he supposedly doesn't want to play here because I don't want him playing here.

That being said, if Dunn can kill it in the workouts and force a team to trade up to get him then he probably will have done the Celtics a huge favor.

How so? Isn't it actually a disadvantage to the Celtics and Suns? Dunn kills his workouts, but at the same time tells PHX and BOS he doesn't want to play with them and won't disclose his medical records to them to avoid being drafted by them.
In theory if a team really wanted him they wouldn't have to really worry about him being drafted until 5 onwards.
Obviously Boston can threaten to draft him, but I'd think teams would call their bluff knowing his open disinterest to play for the Celtics.
If I was a GM and Ainge called me saying I'm taking your boy Dunn at 3 unless you trade with me, i'd tell him flat out have fun with that toxic relationship.

No, Ainge would say, "I'm taking your boy Dunn and trading him to ____ unless you can beat their offer."

But there's got to be demand for him. The laws off supply and demand come into effect. Say Philly wants him but knows the Celtics or Suns won't draft him but the next team in line will. That's the team Philly will make trades with. Sacramento might be high on the kid but not many other teams are in need of a PG. Celtics hold no weight when in trades when it comes to Dunn. Its better off we let that option be fought over by other teams while we have our own agenda. Leave that one alone IMO.

All it takes is two teams to be interested. As Evantime posted above, if he kills in workouts, he'll generate buzz heading into the draft.

[slamtheking]

I really like Kris Dunn.
Good defender, good size for a point guard, can score.
Will save us from Marcus at the point.

Dunns agent is not sharing his medical records with teams that have young established guards. He specifically mentioned C's and Phx.

How weird.

very weird but I don't see Dunn as a player the C's would be interested in.  doesn't have enough of an outside shot to fit Brad's system and he doesn't play D like Marcus.

Dunn is a very good defender....lots of steals.
I would be happy with Dunn, Brown, or Murray.
No Bender, please.

don't let steals be the only measuring stick.   I'm not saying he's a bad defender but he's not at the same level as Marcus or even close to it.  Smart showed improved ball handling and passing this season.  I don't see Dunn as having the skillset that makes Smart disposable in a trade or worth adding him to an already-crowded backcourt.