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Re: jerebko finishing at hoop?
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2016, 02:17:59 PM »

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You know who's a sneaky bad finisher around the rim... I mean really bad... Jae Crowder.

Crowder doesn't get much lift, but his fg% at the rim is over 70%.
What are the numbers for IT, Smart, AB and Turner?
Restricted area numbers.
Crowder  67.5%
Johnson  66.5%
Bradley   66.4%
Olynyk    65.9%
Zeller      63.6%
Turner     60.2%
Sully       56.1%
Thomas   55.7%
Jerebko   53.8%
Smart     46.8%
TP for getting that.

I'm guessing ITs numbers are lower because he tries to find more driving angles, leading to tougher shots at the rim. He's not only taking the easy drives but the tough ones also.

Crowder's numbers are pretty impressive tho because he scores often at the rim. He doesn't shy away from any opportunity to take it if the lane opens.

AB's numbers are probably higher because he just doesn't ever force it at the rim. He knows his limitations.

Smart seemed to have gotten better until the last couple of weeks. Any breakdown on his pre all star and post numbers are?
I.T. forces things to much.  He should collapse the defense and kick it out more.  Turner needs to get better at that also.  Smart will learn how to finish better hopefully, his numbers recently aren't any better yet though.  A.B. is allergic to contact so he rarely finishes in traffic.  Jerebko is just uncoordinated.

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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2016, 02:29:37 PM »

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You know who's a sneaky bad finisher around the rim... I mean really bad... Jae Crowder.

Crowder doesn't get much lift, but his fg% at the rim is over 70%.
What are the numbers for IT, Smart, AB and Turner?
Restricted area numbers.
Crowder  67.5%
Johnson  66.5%
Bradley   66.4%
Olynyk    65.9%
Zeller      63.6%
Turner     60.2%
Sully       56.1%
Thomas   55.7%
Jerebko   53.8%
Smart     46.8%
TP for getting that.

I'm guessing ITs numbers are lower because he tries to find more driving angles, leading to tougher shots at the rim. He's not only taking the easy drives but the tough ones also.

Crowder's numbers are pretty impressive tho because he scores often at the rim. He doesn't shy away from any opportunity to take it if the lane opens.

AB's numbers are probably higher because he just doesn't ever force it at the rim. He knows his limitations.

Smart seemed to have gotten better until the last couple of weeks. Any breakdown on his pre all star and post numbers are?
I.T. forces things to much.  He should collapse the defense and kick it out more.  Turner needs to get better at that also.  Smart will learn how to finish better hopefully, his numbers recently aren't any better yet though.  A.B. is allergic to contact so he rarely finishes in traffic.  Jerebko is just uncoordinated.
IT also gets fouled at the rim a ton. Do those numbers show true shooting percentages at the rim? If not, are there?

Re: jerebko finishing at hoop?
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2016, 05:35:15 PM »

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He tore his achilles (not ACL) a few years back, that certainly didn't help.

As someone with a torn achilles, I can attest that it is a life-changing injury that complete eliminates whatever leaping ability you once had.

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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2016, 05:46:56 PM »

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You know who's a sneaky bad finisher around the rim... I mean really bad... Jae Crowder.

Crowder doesn't get much lift, but his fg% at the rim is over 70%.
What are the numbers for IT, Smart, AB and Turner?
Restricted area numbers.
Crowder  67.5%
Johnson  66.5%
Bradley   66.4%
Olynyk    65.9%
Zeller      63.6%
Turner     60.2%
Sully       56.1%
Thomas   55.7%
Jerebko   53.8%
Smart     46.8%
TP for getting that.

I'm guessing ITs numbers are lower because he tries to find more driving angles, leading to tougher shots at the rim. He's not only taking the easy drives but the tough ones also.

Crowder's numbers are pretty impressive tho because he scores often at the rim. He doesn't shy away from any opportunity to take it if the lane opens.

AB's numbers are probably higher because he just doesn't ever force it at the rim. He knows his limitations.

Smart seemed to have gotten better until the last couple of weeks. Any breakdown on his pre all star and post numbers are?
I.T. forces things to much.  He should collapse the defense and kick it out more.  Turner needs to get better at that also.  Smart will learn how to finish better hopefully, his numbers recently aren't any better yet though.  A.B. is allergic to contact so he rarely finishes in traffic.  Jerebko is just uncoordinated.
IT also gets fouled at the rim a ton. Do those numbers show true shooting percentages at the rim? If not, are there?
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Re: jerebko finishing at hoop?
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2016, 09:01:56 AM »

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Could also be the person who feeds him the pass too. Consider how closely he receives a pass to the basket; is he taking three steps, five steps, etc.? Is he going on a half-court fast-break by himself with a decent, but not astounding, handle? Could just be that he's rushing to avoid contact. Too hard to tell.
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Re: jerebko finishing at hoop?
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2016, 06:30:19 AM »

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Doesn't look bad at leaping here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jH84CAdBmM

I agree that he is versatile player who plays hard and shoots the three but I think the injury did hurt his jump.

Am the only guy who cringes when he shoots a layup?
Yes, but please note that 90% of these are 'running' dunks where he gets some lift from his speed. Furthermore,  90% are more or less uncontested. Jonas simply doesn't dunk over people or finish well in traffic. He's a stretch guy who can nail some open shots, hustle and play D.  As long as he plays within himself he's a good role player. Outside of his role he looks pretty bad for the most part.

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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2016, 06:46:35 AM »

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he got one on his birthady-down the middle and a dunk---still he keeps the ball moving rebounds and moves his feet-

Re: jerebko finishing at hoop?
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2016, 07:10:50 AM »

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Yes, but please note that 90% of these are 'running' dunks where he gets some lift from his speed. Furthermore,  90% are more or less uncontested. Jonas simply doesn't dunk over people or finish well in traffic. He's a stretch guy who can nail some open shots, hustle and play D.  As long as he plays within himself he's a good role player. Outside of his role he looks pretty bad for the most part.

I would wager by reading this that you could never dunk and simply watched sports.  Dunking over guys looks great but it can be risky.   Guys sometimes never get their aggression back, it is plain and simple.   A lot of guys do not like to dunk in traffice.

You said, he could not jump, you were wrong.

So you change the subject and say that a guy who is a bench player ( not a starter) who hits shots, hustle and play D, looks bad outside his role.   Think about that, he is not expected to dunk in traffic or dominate as he is  bench guy.   I think he is right where he needs to be for an end of the bench guy.  Your statement is humorous to me.   What are you Donald Trump's speechwriter?

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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2016, 10:02:19 AM »

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He's the Swedish Larry Bird.  Larry don't dunk.   ;)

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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2016, 12:07:58 PM »

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Being a good finisher at the rim isn't necessarily about being a good leaper or dunker.  For evidence of that, one can look at Jae Crowder as an example.
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« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2016, 05:55:17 PM »

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Yes, but please note that 90% of these are 'running' dunks where he gets some lift from his speed. Furthermore,  90% are more or less uncontested. Jonas simply doesn't dunk over people or finish well in traffic. He's a stretch guy who can nail some open shots, hustle and play D.  As long as he plays within himself he's a good role player. Outside of his role he looks pretty bad for the most part.

I would wager by reading this that you could never dunk and simply watched sports.  Dunking over guys looks great but it can be risky.   Guys sometimes never get their aggression back, it is plain and simple.   A lot of guys do not like to dunk in traffice.

You said, he could not jump, you were wrong.

So you change the subject and say that a guy who is a bench player ( not a starter) who hits shots, hustle and play D, looks bad outside his role.   Think about that, he is not expected to dunk in traffic or dominate as he is  bench guy.   I think he is right where he needs to be for an end of the bench guy.  Your statement is humorous to me.   What are you Donald Trump's speechwriter?

Excuse me, why the personal attacks? I find them amazing as we don't even seem to be in any serious disagreement.

I'll do my part, and try to stick to the facts:

* I never said Jonas "could not jump". I said that he didn't have "much lift" and generally needs speed. To clarify: With "not much lift" I mean "nothing special, perhaps average or slightly below for an NBA player".
* I never said that dunking over people is necessarily a good thing. I just stated that Jonas does not do that. Personally I'm not impressed by dunks or basketball that relies solely on athleticism. I rather watch the Spurs than the Clips.
* I do think that being able to finish in traffic is a good thing. I just stated that Jonas has never been very good at that. Which is what this thread is about, isn't it?

Now on to facts that cannot be verified, you'll just take my word for it:
* In my youth I played basketball for 10 years. I was a 6" point guard and could only dunk with a tennis ball. So you are right, I could never dunk properly.
* I have recently coached youth basketball for 8 years.
* I also played organized soccer for 15 years, and a bit of handball, table tennis, skiing, gymnastics. When I think about it, I may have put in more hours in doing sports than watching it, at least when I was active playing.
* I have followed Jonas since watching him in the Swedish playoffs the 2006-2007 season, through the time in Angelico and Detroit, and now as a C. I actually root for him a lot, he's our first Swedish NBA player (and currently the only) after all. But I try to be unbiased in my opinions about his strengths and weaknesses as a player. And as I said, we seem to me very much in agreement on what they are.

Re: jerebko finishing at hoop?
« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2016, 06:19:26 PM »

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You know who's a sneaky bad finisher around the rim... I mean really bad... Jae Crowder.

Crowder doesn't get much lift, but his fg% at the rim is over 70%.
What are the numbers for IT, Smart, AB and Turner?
Restricted area numbers.
Crowder  67.5%
Johnson  66.5%
Bradley   66.4%
Olynyk    65.9%
Zeller      63.6%
Turner     60.2%
Sully       56.1%
Thomas   55.7%
Jerebko   53.8%
Smart     46.8%
TP for getting that.

I'm guessing ITs numbers are lower because he tries to find more driving angles, leading to tougher shots at the rim. He's not only taking the easy drives but the tough ones also.

Crowder's numbers are pretty impressive tho because he scores often at the rim. He doesn't shy away from any opportunity to take it if the lane opens.

AB's numbers are probably higher because he just doesn't ever force it at the rim. He knows his limitations.

Smart seemed to have gotten better until the last couple of weeks. Any breakdown on his pre all star and post numbers are?
I.T. forces things to much.  He should collapse the defense and kick it out more.  Turner needs to get better at that also.  Smart will learn how to finish better hopefully, his numbers recently aren't any better yet though.  A.B. is allergic to contact so he rarely finishes in traffic.  Jerebko is just uncoordinated.
IT also gets fouled at the rim a ton. Do those numbers show true shooting percentages at the rim? If not, are there?
You have google, don't you?
Couldn't find anything on it. Thought the poster had a site he knows of.

Can anyone assist with true shooting percentage in the restricted area?

Re: jerebko finishing at hoop?
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2016, 06:36:27 PM »

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You know who's a sneaky bad finisher around the rim... I mean really bad... Jae Crowder.

Crowder doesn't get much lift, but his fg% at the rim is over 70%.
What are the numbers for IT, Smart, AB and Turner?
Restricted area numbers.
Crowder  67.5%
Johnson  66.5%
Bradley   66.4%
Olynyk    65.9%
Zeller      63.6%
Turner     60.2%
Sully       56.1%
Thomas   55.7%
Jerebko   53.8%
Smart     46.8%
TP for getting that.

I'm guessing ITs numbers are lower because he tries to find more driving angles, leading to tougher shots at the rim. He's not only taking the easy drives but the tough ones also.

Crowder's numbers are pretty impressive tho because he scores often at the rim. He doesn't shy away from any opportunity to take it if the lane opens.

AB's numbers are probably higher because he just doesn't ever force it at the rim. He knows his limitations.

Smart seemed to have gotten better until the last couple of weeks. Any breakdown on his pre all star and post numbers are?
I.T. forces things to much.  He should collapse the defense and kick it out more.  Turner needs to get better at that also.  Smart will learn how to finish better hopefully, his numbers recently aren't any better yet though.  A.B. is allergic to contact so he rarely finishes in traffic.  Jerebko is just uncoordinated.
IT also gets fouled at the rim a ton. Do those numbers show true shooting percentages at the rim? If not, are there?
You have google, don't you?
Couldn't find anything on it. Thought the poster had a site he knows of.

Can anyone assist with true shooting percentage in the restricted area?
Can't help you with that one.  It's possible that someone has run those numbers using the NBA's tracking data.  You would need to know where on the floor every foul occurred.

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« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2016, 06:41:27 PM »

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You know who's a sneaky bad finisher around the rim... I mean really bad... Jae Crowder.

Crowder doesn't get much lift, but his fg% at the rim is over 70%.
What are the numbers for IT, Smart, AB and Turner?
Restricted area numbers.
Crowder  67.5%
Johnson  66.5%
Bradley   66.4%
Olynyk    65.9%
Zeller      63.6%
Turner     60.2%
Sully       56.1%
Thomas   55.7%
Jerebko   53.8%
Smart     46.8%
TP for getting that.

I'm guessing ITs numbers are lower because he tries to find more driving angles, leading to tougher shots at the rim. He's not only taking the easy drives but the tough ones also.

Crowder's numbers are pretty impressive tho because he scores often at the rim. He doesn't shy away from any opportunity to take it if the lane opens.

AB's numbers are probably higher because he just doesn't ever force it at the rim. He knows his limitations.

Smart seemed to have gotten better until the last couple of weeks. Any breakdown on his pre all star and post numbers are?
I.T. forces things to much.  He should collapse the defense and kick it out more.  Turner needs to get better at that also.  Smart will learn how to finish better hopefully, his numbers recently aren't any better yet though.  A.B. is allergic to contact so he rarely finishes in traffic.  Jerebko is just uncoordinated.
IT also gets fouled at the rim a ton. Do those numbers show true shooting percentages at the rim? If not, are there?
You have google, don't you?
Couldn't find anything on it. Thought the poster had a site he knows of.

Can anyone assist with true shooting percentage in the restricted area?
Can't help you with that one.  It's possible that someone has run those numbers using the NBA's tracking data.  You would need to know where on the floor every foul occurred.
No problem. Hopefully someone else has the info.

I have a feeling that IT's numbers go way up compared to other players when factoring in foul shots from shots in the restricted area.