Trade Crowder and Thomas as soon as possible/ The recent big 3

[kozlodoev]

It's one mistake big or small.  How good has smart been otherwise?

Not as much as you think. After all, they did just fine in his absence by replacing him with Evan Turner. This may be partially due to the fact they no longer had to play 4 on 5 on offense.

[Geo123]

"Every NBA team would love to have a prototypical 3-and-D wing that can hit outside shots at a high rate, defend multiple positions, switch assignments and doesn’t need the ball to be successful – an important skill in the modern NBA, where ballhandling is often dominated by point guards. Every year some of these players are the most underappreciated role players, and this season Jae Crowder is the one you’d point to as being the perfect example. The Celtics did a great job with a five-year, $35 million deal that looks like it’s going to be a bargain, and the contract runs straight through the entire prime of Crowder’s career."

3 days ago –  via HoopsHype

[celtics2030]

If Smart didnt make a stupid play Crowder and IT (and Sully and Bradley who were also upset) wouldn't have had a "stupid" reaction.

This is on Smart. Listen to your coach. Plain and simple, end of story.

Nobody cares about your opinion. YOUR opinion does ont matter, im talking in the generality of the team. You feel that they should be upset. OK.

My point is the reaction they gave. Pure childish. Any vet would have destroyed them after the game.

Right. I won't even address what's wrong here but if you want to play that game YOUR opinion is that the reaction was childish. YOUR opinion is wrong. Smart screwed up, the vets let him have it, he owned up to it.

End of story.

Its general opinion that meant. Your telling me they would not have a stupid reaction if Marcus made the right play. Bad plays like this are made, not everyone reacts like that. Your opinion does not mean anything in this case. My opinion is not wrong. Think about what you are saying.

[celtics2030]

Here's the play I think he's referencing:

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/686379373088247809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Apparently most of us missed that play. I know I did. Smart apologized in the locker room for it. Stevens didn't call for a foul, which is why they were all mad. It looks like it was a stupid play by Smart, but none of them (especially IT and Crowder) can say anything about bad plays or turnovers at the end of games.

EDIT: Watching that again, I get the OP's frustration with Thomas. That's immature and not characteristic behavior of a leader. How many times has he lost games for us by turnovers or stupid shots when the time is running down. This is a really bad loss for the team.

You don't do that. Period. I don't them doing that to my young players.

Paul Piece Ray Ray and Garnett would never do that, they might pull him a side and give them a little , hey man dont do that,

but never would they jump around like little babies

or come at him like crowder did,

you also probably missed Smart's reaction. He started cussing them out as well.

Did you really just say KG wouldn't have done what Crowder did?  You're right he would have gotten into his face for making a dumb play.  Then after he did it pat his head and tell him how to fix it.  Crowder did what a good teammate should do.  You call out players, holds them responsible and teach.  So what IT had a moment like that, he's frustrated because we go from winning good games, to not closing.  You're making it sound like you're not suppose to show emotion on the court.  KG was one of thee if not thee most emotional player on a basketball court o play. 

So tell me again seriously why you would trade our best scorer, and one of our best player.  Oh yeah by the way both on great contracts, that are leaders of the team.  You want more draft picks so we can have a younger team that will do the same thing.

Never once have i seen Garnett show a player up. Your just basing this on your own.

Garnett is much different then running towards a player with a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. type attitude. He has never done that. Neither has Pierce or Allen.

PLus the difference between Crowder and Garnett lol is laughable

MArcus Smart a 21 year old told Crowder to FU^$K OFF. That is all you need to know.

And if you think that they hashed it out in the locker room, that is also up for debate. Marcus may be sorry but also possible that he is saying. F^$# these dudes.

[manl_lui]

Here's the play I think he's referencing:

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/686379373088247809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Apparently most of us missed that play. I know I did. Smart apologized in the locker room for it. Stevens didn't call for a foul, which is why they were all mad. It looks like it was a stupid play by Smart, but none of them (especially IT and Crowder) can say anything about bad plays or turnovers at the end of games.

EDIT: Watching that again, I get the OP's frustration with Thomas. That's immature and not characteristic behavior of a leader. How many times has he lost games for us by turnovers or stupid shots when the time is running down. This is a really bad loss for the team.

You don't do that. Period. I don't them doing that to my young players.

Paul Piece Ray Ray and Garnett would never do that, they might pull him a side and give them a little , hey man dont do that,

but never would they jump around like little babies

or come at him like crowder did,

you also probably missed Smart's reaction. He started cussing them out as well.

Did you really just say KG wouldn't have done what Crowder did?  You're right he would have gotten into his face for making a dumb play.  Then after he did it pat his head and tell him how to fix it.  Crowder did what a good teammate should do.  You call out players, holds them responsible and teach.  So what IT had a moment like that, he's frustrated because we go from winning good games, to not closing.  You're making it sound like you're not suppose to show emotion on the court.  KG was one of thee if not thee most emotional player on a basketball court o play. 

So tell me again seriously why you would trade our best scorer, and one of our best player.  Oh yeah by the way both on great contracts, that are leaders of the team.  You want more draft picks so we can have a younger team that will do the same thing.

Never once have i seen Garnett show a player up. Your just basing this on your own.

Garnett is much different then running towards a player with a **** type attitude. He has never done that. Neither has Pierce or Allen.

PLus the difference between Crowder and Garnett lol is laughable

MArcus Smart a 21 year old told Crowder to FU^$K OFF. That is all you need to know.

And if you think that they hashed it out in the locker room, that is also up for debate. Marcus may be sorry but also possible that he is saying. F^$# these dudes.

if I remember correctly, KG did got up o Baby Davis' face when we blew a 20 pt lead (I forgot which game, I believe it was against a WC team, errrr Dallas? Spurs?) and essentially he made Davis cry, caught on TV.

I remember when Pietrus apparently was falling asleep in the huddle and you can see KG kept yanking him back and forth (I think also on live TV)

KG is a VERY vocal leader, but I do agree, we imploded last night and this should've been addressed in the locker room.

[spikelovetheCelts]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2606553-young-studs-entering-2016-on-the-cusp-of-nba-stardom/page/5 Crowder is a first year starting with a guy who has never lead a Team IT.
Let's give this team some games to gel. I am excited to see how they come out of this adversity a better and closer team. I think Crowder could keep getting better like Jimmy Butler has.

[ViolentGhandi]

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if I remember correctly, KG did got up o Baby Davis' face when we blew a 20 pt lead (I forgot which game, I believe it was against a WC team, errrr Dallas? Spurs?) and essentially he made Davis cry, caught on TV.

I remember when Pietrus apparently was falling asleep in the huddle and you can see KG kept yanking him back and forth (I think also on live TV)

KG is a VERY vocal leader, but I do agree, we imploded last night and this should've been addressed in the locker room.

I remember that too. He went to the bench and started crying - thats how he got to the "Big Baby" in his name in the first place. Thats a classic Celtics moment by now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GXgFC8q32Q

[Ilikesports17]

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if I remember correctly, KG did got up o Baby Davis' face when we blew a 20 pt lead (I forgot which game, I believe it was against a WC team, errrr Dallas? Spurs?) and essentially he made Davis cry, caught on TV.

I remember when Pietrus apparently was falling asleep in the huddle and you can see KG kept yanking him back and forth (I think also on live TV)

KG is a VERY vocal leader, but I do agree, we imploded last night and this should've been addressed in the locker room.

I remember that too. He went to the bench and started crying - thats how he got to the "Big Baby" in his name in the first place. Thats a classic Celtics moment by now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GXgFC8q32Q

Davis has had the nickname since before he came to LSU

[crimson_stallion]

Tired of these "leaders" These guys need to be trade to get the ball rolling, you can't win championships with these role players starting

They p---ed me off when they tore Marcus Smart down in front of thousands at the game and thousands watching.

Totally Pathetic , I wanted to slap Thomas and Crowder upside the head.

That's one thing you never saw with the recent big 3 champions. Paul Ray and Garnett never did that type of stuff, never embarrassed any of the teammates like that....They were hall of fame players at that point and

now you got two role playing scrubs like Crowder and Thomas who are getting starter minutes who in reality will never be nothing more than role players are on decent good team.

They can have their fun right now acting like they are something.


TRADE these guys for more picks or offer them in a package , Let Smart play 40 minutes a game and do what he has to do to develop

dont let these bootleg starters tear down the young players that were picked as potential future players.

I appreciate your desire to stand up for Smart, but this is very clearly a case of you allowing strong emotions to cloud your judgement of these players.

Isaiah Thomas is one of the best Point Guards (and one of the best all-out scorers) in the league right now.  From memory he's one of only three players in the eastern conference to be averaging at least 21 points and 6 assists.  His end of game heroics have won us (or at the very least kept us in) many, many games since he became a Celtic. 

Crowder makes some bad plays and takes some bad shots from time to time, but aside from Thomas (and maybe Amir Johnson) he's been the only consistently productive player on our team this year.  He's playing himself into a very possible All-Defensive team selection, and is without a doubt a top 10 SF in the league right now. 

I get you are upset, but calling Thomas and Crowder 'role players' and 'bootleg starters' after the way they have played this season is really a little silly.  I would hazard a guess that most teams in the NBA would love to have either one of those players right now.

I agree with you that it's not good practice to call out teammates publicly.  It's never a good thing to do, under any circumstances.  If you have an issue, you should bring it up with your team in private.   

That the Celtics have lost a lot of very winnable games lately, and Thomas/Crowder are two of the only guys who have been consistently great in those games, so I can understand that the would be incredibly frustrated when they are busting their balls to try and carrying the team, only to have a teammate potentially lose them the game with one bonehead play at a critical point in the game.

Not saying that it's right or that it's acceptable, just saying that putting myself in their shoes, I can understand the frustration. 

[Granath]

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if I remember correctly, KG did got up o Baby Davis' face when we blew a 20 pt lead (I forgot which game, I believe it was against a WC team, errrr Dallas? Spurs?) and essentially he made Davis cry, caught on TV.

I remember when Pietrus apparently was falling asleep in the huddle and you can see KG kept yanking him back and forth (I think also on live TV)

KG is a VERY vocal leader, but I do agree, we imploded last night and this should've been addressed in the locker room.

I remember that too. He went to the bench and started crying - thats how he got to the "Big Baby" in his name in the first place. Thats a classic Celtics moment by now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GXgFC8q32Q

This is a wonderful example of talking out of your ass. Davis had that nickname since he was nine years old.