tampering

[D.o.s.]

It's not that the idea of the NBA favoring certain scenarios is so farfetched, its that the evidence used to prove it is lacking.

I'm not much for leaps of faith, whether its involving the idea that this Celtics squad can make the playoffs or that the NBA fixes things like the lottery. There are 28 or 29 other teams in any given scenario that are more than happy to blow the whistle on each other, as well as the front office, when even the slightest impropriety is suggested or acted upon, why would the draft lottery be any different?

For example, everything above is just the same kind of circumstantial noise that comes out when people try to talk about Sterling -- its no coincidence, IMO, that the same people who are more or less Sterling defenders are also the loudest voices when it comes to the alleged fixing of the NBA.

Here's an easy solution -- stop watching the NBA, and stop posting on NBA message boards.

[staticcc]

It defies logic that the same league that gives preferential treatment to superstars such that they almost never foul out of games, the same league that is noted for the so-called rookie treatment in personal foul decisions, the same league that allows wholesale ****ization of travelling and carrying rules, has never or will never give preference to outcomes that benefit the league in the long run.

Ask Marcus Camby about phantom foul calls.

So why are we (you) still watching?

[Moranis]

Call a spade a spade.  ITS TAMPERING.  If the NBA was serious they'd do something but they have no balls.

You're right about it being tampering, but wrong about why the NBA won't do anything about it. It has nothing to do with balls but rather $$$$$.

Here is what tampering is from:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q106

Tampering is when a player or team directly or indirectly entices, induces or persuades anybody (player, general manager, etc.) who is under contract with another team in order to negotiate for their services. The NBA may impose suspensions and/or fines up to $50,000 if tampering is discovered, however the league's practice has been to wait until a team lodges a complaint before investigating (but that's not to say they don't continue to monitor the league and won't take action independently if they discover that tampering has occurred). Here are some examples:
?The Miami Heat were discovered to have tampered with Pat Riley in 1995 by negotiating with Riley while he was the head coach of the New York Knicks. The Heat "settled," and avoided league-imposed penalties, by compensating the Knicks with $1 million and their first round draft pick in 1996.
?After Will Perdue left San Antonio in the 1999 offseason to sign with Chicago, he commented to the press about the possibility of the Bulls signing Tim Duncan and/or Grant Hill in 2000. The league considered this to be tampering, and issued Perdue a warning.

You may have noticed that when general managers and other team personnel talk to the press, they are careful to avoid talking about specific players who play for other teams. They do this in order to avoid tampering. The only allowed response when talking about players under contract with other teams is to decline comment.

Based on the above, what Riley and Wade did was tampering. Too much $$$ at stake for the NBA to do anything about it. That unholy trinity coming together in that unholy way made everybody in the league too much $$$$. Some would argue that Gilbert not lodging a complaint about it got Cleveland one or was it two or was it three number one picks.

Also, based on the above, if James contacted Love to "entice" him to play in Cleveland, since Love is still under contract with Minny, THAT would be tampering. Again, too much $$$ at stake to not let this happen.

"It's good to be the king!!"

but how can Cleveland negotiate for Love's services? 

[hwangjini_1]

Can any one post the tampering policy in the nba. This whole Minnesota and cleveland thing sounds so fishy.  Maybe I'm to much of a green teamer but this whole thing is playing out very unethical to me and unfair.  That's like saying rondo can go to talk to the Lakers and kobe says get me rondo now and boom Randles jersey is discontinued. Either way this nba has turned into a joke and I hope silver vetos any trade with those two. It's such a crap shoot and honestly unfair to Wiggins

Take of your homer glasses.

He's not being a homer. He's actually right. If Lebron did what is reported, it is tampering. No question about it. Whether it's true and/or the NBA follows up with it is another story. People here calling others homers for nonsensical reasons really has to stop. It's getting crazy here.

i know. you never catch a celtics player talking to other players and have rumors about that player coming to the celtics. i would be outraged if, as a totally hypothetical example, a celtic player - say rondo - would to meet and talk to another team's player - say kevin love - and then rumors sprouted up about love coming to the celtics.

i would be outraged, as would we all.

[Rondo9]

Can any one post the tampering policy in the nba. This whole Minnesota and cleveland thing sounds so fishy.  Maybe I'm to much of a green teamer but this whole thing is playing out very unethical to me and unfair.  That's like saying rondo can go to talk to the Lakers and kobe says get me rondo now and boom Randles jersey is discontinued. Either way this nba has turned into a joke and I hope silver vetos any trade with those two. It's such a crap shoot and honestly unfair to Wiggins

Take of your homer glasses.

He's not being a homer. He's actually right. If Lebron did what is reported, it is tampering. No question about it. Whether it's true and/or the NBA follows up with it is another story. People here calling others homers for nonsensical reasons really has to stop. It's getting crazy here.

i know. you never catch a celtics player talking to other players and have rumors about that player coming to the celtics. i would be outraged if, as a totally hypothetical example, a celtic player - say rondo - would to meet and talk to another team's player - say kevin love - and then rumors sprouted up about love coming to the celtics.

i would be outraged, as would we all.

I thought what rondo did was close to tampering if there is evidence of lebron tampering then nba should act on it

[hwangjini_1]

Can any one post the tampering policy in the nba. This whole Minnesota and cleveland thing sounds so fishy.  Maybe I'm to much of a green teamer but this whole thing is playing out very unethical to me and unfair.  That's like saying rondo can go to talk to the Lakers and kobe says get me rondo now and boom Randles jersey is discontinued. Either way this nba has turned into a joke and I hope silver vetos any trade with those two. It's such a crap shoot and honestly unfair to Wiggins

Take of your homer glasses.

He's not being a homer. He's actually right. If Lebron did what is reported, it is tampering. No question about it. Whether it's true and/or the NBA follows up with it is another story. People here calling others homers for nonsensical reasons really has to stop. It's getting crazy here.

i know. you never catch a celtics player talking to other players and have rumors about that player coming to the celtics. i would be outraged if, as a totally hypothetical example, a celtic player - say rondo - would to meet and talk to another team's player - say kevin love - and then rumors sprouted up about love coming to the celtics.

i would be outraged, as would we all.

I thought what rondo did was close to tampering if there is evidence of lebron tampering then nba should act on it

which one? or did you mean both?

[Rondo9]

Can any one post the tampering policy in the nba. This whole Minnesota and cleveland thing sounds so fishy.  Maybe I'm to much of a green teamer but this whole thing is playing out very unethical to me and unfair.  That's like saying rondo can go to talk to the Lakers and kobe says get me rondo now and boom Randles jersey is discontinued. Either way this nba has turned into a joke and I hope silver vetos any trade with those two. It's such a crap shoot and honestly unfair to Wiggins

Take of your homer glasses.

He's not being a homer. He's actually right. If Lebron did what is reported, it is tampering. No question about it. Whether it's true and/or the NBA follows up with it is another story. People here calling others homers for nonsensical reasons really has to stop. It's getting crazy here.

i know. you never catch a celtics player talking to other players and have rumors about that player coming to the celtics. i would be outraged if, as a totally hypothetical example, a celtic player - say rondo - would to meet and talk to another team's player - say kevin love - and then rumors sprouted up about love coming to the celtics.

i would be outraged, as would we all.

I thought what rondo did was close to tampering if there is evidence of lebron tampering then nba should act on it

which one? or did you mean both?

Both

[Ogaju]

How exactly did Rondo tamper. Love actually tampered with Celtics in order to get a competitive advantage with Minnesota and start a bidding war. Maybe Love should be fined. LOL

[Ogaju]

It defies logic that the same league that gives preferential treatment to superstars such that they almost never foul out of games, the same league that is noted for the so-called rookie treatment in personal foul decisions, the same league that allows wholesale ****ization of travelling and carrying rules, has never or will never give preference to outcomes that benefit the league in the long run.

Ask Marcus Camby about phantom foul calls.

So why are we (you) still watching?

I don't know about you, but I am watching because it is great entertainment. Why are you watching?

[Ogaju]

It's not that the idea of the NBA favoring certain scenarios is so farfetched, its that the evidence used to prove it is lacking.

I'm not much for leaps of faith, whether its involving the idea that this Celtics squad can make the playoffs or that the NBA fixes things like the lottery. There are 28 or 29 other teams in any given scenario that are more than happy to blow the whistle on each other, as well as the front office, when even the slightest impropriety is suggested or acted upon, why would the draft lottery be any different?

For example, everything above is just the same kind of circumstantial noise that comes out when people try to talk about Sterling -- its no coincidence, IMO, that the same people who are more or less Sterling defenders are also the loudest voices when it comes to the alleged fixing of the NBA.

Here's an easy solution -- stop watching the NBA, and stop posting on NBA message boards.

why should I stop watching or posting? I find both to be very entertaining pastimes.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

It basically says teams can't talk to players (of other teams) but players can talk to players. Love is not talking to the Cavs, Wiggins is not talking to the Wolves so there is no tampering. Love and each of the following can talk: Lebron, Rondo, Noah (there is a reported story somewhere of Noah recruiting Love or Melo I think), and that would not be considered tampering because players are not the GMs.

Basically, no one is tampering. It just seems like it because Love wants to play with Lebron and vice versa.

Actually, the rules are pretty clear that players can't go about recruiting and what not players under crontract. It's just a very gray area and very hard to enforce.

That said, I thought it was very clear that tampering was involved when Woj reported that a FRONT OFFICE source from the Cavs confirmed that LeBron called Love in efforts to recruit Love, a player under contract with another team, to play for the Cavs. So now you have clear evidence of the tampering, and a clear indirect (or direct depending on how you look at it) that management had some involvement in this, to say nothing of the power a player like LeBron has within the organization.

If that isn't tampering, I don't know what is.

But I'm pretty sure there's a stipulation that a complaint has to be lodged from another team for the NBA to investigate this types of cases.

So that's that.

"@WojYahooNBA:
LeBron James has reached to tell Kevin Love of his desire for them to play together with the Cavaliers, front office sources tell Yahoo."

I do not think that "front office source" was from the Cavs FO. That front office source could have come from some other team trying to push the notion that there is tampering. Too much speculation. If it was clear tampering, I would change my tune.

It's also important to remember that a front office source merely confirming a player's actions is different from the front office taking its own action. In this case, the source was simply confirming what LeBron did; the source didn't take any action of its own.

[vinnie]

I love conspiracy theories --    Some of you sound like devout Alex Jones fans...

[Mikedmx6]

Criticize me and call me a Homer all you want it doesn't bother me, this blog has become more and more disrespectful to others opinions on a daily basis I'm used to it. Be that as it me, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck,  it's a duck.  This is tampering whether you agree or not. Rondo didn't tamper one bit,  If you read his comments after the love handshake he clearly stated he didn't want any part of tampering and boom look what cleveland and lebron have done.  It's a crap shoot and I hope silver puts his foot down and does something about it. This isn't me saying this cause I want love.  I want Aldridge on my team. As time goes on Donaghy has a point about the nba. Read his book.

On a side note if anyone lives near a five below they have a awesome celtics book called Basketball Vault The History Of The Celtics for only 5 bucks.