tampering

[Mikedmx6]

Can any one post the tampering policy in the nba. This whole Minnesota and cleveland thing sounds so fishy.  Maybe I'm to much of a green teamer but this whole thing is playing out very unethical to me and unfair.  That's like saying rondo can go to talk to the Lakers and kobe says get me rondo now and boom Randles jersey is discontinued. Either way this nba has turned into a joke and I hope silver vetos any trade with those two. It's such a crap shoot and honestly unfair to Wiggins

[staticcc]

It basically says teams can't talk to players (of other teams) but players can talk to players. Love is not talking to the Cavs, Wiggins is not talking to the Wolves so there is no tampering. Love and each of the following can talk: Lebron, Rondo, Noah (there is a reported story somewhere of Noah recruiting Love or Melo I think), and that would not be considered tampering because players are not the GMs.

Basically, no one is tampering. It just seems like it because Love wants to play with Lebron and vice versa.

[BudweiserCeltic]

It basically says teams can't talk to players (of other teams) but players can talk to players. Love is not talking to the Cavs, Wiggins is not talking to the Wolves so there is no tampering. Love and each of the following can talk: Lebron, Rondo, Noah (there is a reported story somewhere of Noah recruiting Love or Melo I think), and that would not be considered tampering because players are not the GMs.

Basically, no one is tampering. It just seems like it because Love wants to play with Lebron and vice versa.

Actually, the rules are pretty clear that players can't go about recruiting and what not players under crontract. It's just a very gray area and very hard to enforce.

That said, I thought it was very clear that tampering was involved when Woj reported that a FRONT OFFICE source from the Cavs confirmed that LeBron called Love in efforts to recruit Love, a player under contract with another team, to play for the Cavs. So now you have clear evidence of the tampering, and a clear indirect (or direct depending on how you look at it) that management had some involvement in this, to say nothing of the power a player like LeBron has within the organization.

If that isn't tampering, I don't know what is.

But I'm pretty sure there's a stipulation that a complaint has to be lodged from another team for the NBA to investigate this types of cases.

So that's that.

[staticcc]

It basically says teams can't talk to players (of other teams) but players can talk to players. Love is not talking to the Cavs, Wiggins is not talking to the Wolves so there is no tampering. Love and each of the following can talk: Lebron, Rondo, Noah (there is a reported story somewhere of Noah recruiting Love or Melo I think), and that would not be considered tampering because players are not the GMs.

Basically, no one is tampering. It just seems like it because Love wants to play with Lebron and vice versa.

Actually, the rules are pretty clear that players can't go about recruiting and what not players under crontract. It's just a very gray area and very hard to enforce.

That said, I thought it was very clear that tampering was involved when Woj reported that a FRONT OFFICE source from the Cavs confirmed that LeBron called Love in efforts to recruit Love, a player under contract with another team, to play for the Cavs. So now you have clear evidence of the tampering, and a clear indirect (or direct depending on how you look at it) that management had some involvement in this, to say nothing of the power a player like LeBron has within the organization.

If that isn't tampering, I don't know what is.

But I'm pretty sure there's a stipulation that a complaint has to be lodged from another team for the NBA to investigate this types of cases.

So that's that.

"@WojYahooNBA:
LeBron James has reached to tell Kevin Love of his desire for them to play together with the Cavaliers, front office sources tell Yahoo."

I do not think that "front office source" was from the Cavs FO. That front office source could have come from some other team trying to push the notion that there is tampering. Too much speculation. If it was clear tampering, I would change my tune.

[puskas54_10]

Can any one post the tampering policy in the nba. This whole Minnesota and cleveland thing sounds so fishy.  Maybe I'm to much of a green teamer but this whole thing is playing out very unethical to me and unfair.  That's like saying rondo can go to talk to the Lakers and kobe says get me rondo now and boom Randles jersey is discontinued. Either way this nba has turned into a joke and I hope silver vetos any trade with those two. It's such a crap shoot and honestly unfair to Wiggins

Take of your homer glasses.

[DarkAzcura]

Can any one post the tampering policy in the nba. This whole Minnesota and cleveland thing sounds so fishy.  Maybe I'm to much of a green teamer but this whole thing is playing out very unethical to me and unfair.  That's like saying rondo can go to talk to the Lakers and kobe says get me rondo now and boom Randles jersey is discontinued. Either way this nba has turned into a joke and I hope silver vetos any trade with those two. It's such a crap shoot and honestly unfair to Wiggins

Take of your homer glasses.

He's not being a homer. He's actually right. If Lebron did what is reported, it is tampering. No question about it. Whether it's true and/or the NBA follows up with it is another story. People here calling others homers for nonsensical reasons really has to stop. It's getting crazy here.

[timpiker]

Call a spade a spade.  ITS TAMPERING.  If the NBA was serious they'd do something but they have no balls.

[furball]

What's the NBA going to do?  Woj will never give up his sources and no one is going to talk as they all want this trade to happen.  Besides, the NBA doesn't care.  If they are not going to do something when players talk about it at a wedding with tons of witnesses, they aren't going to do it now.  They can never stop players from talking to each other so as long as they don't do it openly they don't have a problem with it. 

[csfansince60s]

Call a spade a spade.  ITS TAMPERING.  If the NBA was serious they'd do something but they have no balls.

You're right about it being tampering, but wrong about why the NBA won't do anything about it. It has nothing to do with balls but rather $$$$$.

Here is what tampering is from:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q106

Tampering is when a player or team directly or indirectly entices, induces or persuades anybody (player, general manager, etc.) who is under contract with another team in order to negotiate for their services. The NBA may impose suspensions and/or fines up to $50,000 if tampering is discovered, however the league's practice has been to wait until a team lodges a complaint before investigating (but that's not to say they don't continue to monitor the league and won't take action independently if they discover that tampering has occurred). Here are some examples:
?The Miami Heat were discovered to have tampered with Pat Riley in 1995 by negotiating with Riley while he was the head coach of the New York Knicks. The Heat "settled," and avoided league-imposed penalties, by compensating the Knicks with $1 million and their first round draft pick in 1996.
?After Will Perdue left San Antonio in the 1999 offseason to sign with Chicago, he commented to the press about the possibility of the Bulls signing Tim Duncan and/or Grant Hill in 2000. The league considered this to be tampering, and issued Perdue a warning.

You may have noticed that when general managers and other team personnel talk to the press, they are careful to avoid talking about specific players who play for other teams. They do this in order to avoid tampering. The only allowed response when talking about players under contract with other teams is to decline comment.

Based on the above, what Riley and Wade did was tampering. Too much $$$ at stake for the NBA to do anything about it. That unholy trinity coming together in that unholy way made everybody in the league too much $$$$. Some would argue that Gilbert not lodging a complaint about it got Cleveland one or was it two or was it three number one picks.

Also, based on the above, if James contacted Love to "entice" him to play in Cleveland, since Love is still under contract with Minny, THAT would be tampering. Again, too much $$$ at stake to not let this happen.

"It's good to be the king!!"

[furball]

You have to remember something else too...The NBA wants this trade to happen.  LeBron bringing a championship to Cleveland would be such a big story.  Plus Minny gets a big time young star/prospect to build around and attract fans/media attention. 

[Ogaju]

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh NBA has no interested in the result of games or the draft. NBA just leaves its league to the invisible hand of the market.

[Ogaju]

Call a spade a spade.  ITS TAMPERING.  If the NBA was serious they'd do something but they have no balls.

You're right about it being tampering, but wrong about why the NBA won't do anything about it. It has nothing to do with balls but rather $$$$$.

Here is what tampering is from:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q106

Tampering is when a player or team directly or indirectly entices, induces or persuades anybody (player, general manager, etc.) who is under contract with another team in order to negotiate for their services. The NBA may impose suspensions and/or fines up to $50,000 if tampering is discovered, however the league's practice has been to wait until a team lodges a complaint before investigating (but that's not to say they don't continue to monitor the league and won't take action independently if they discover that tampering has occurred). Here are some examples:
?The Miami Heat were discovered to have tampered with Pat Riley in 1995 by negotiating with Riley while he was the head coach of the New York Knicks. The Heat "settled," and avoided league-imposed penalties, by compensating the Knicks with $1 million and their first round draft pick in 1996.
?After Will Perdue left San Antonio in the 1999 offseason to sign with Chicago, he commented to the press about the possibility of the Bulls signing Tim Duncan and/or Grant Hill in 2000. The league considered this to be tampering, and issued Perdue a warning.

You may have noticed that when general managers and other team personnel talk to the press, they are careful to avoid talking about specific players who play for other teams. They do this in order to avoid tampering. The only allowed response when talking about players under contract with other teams is to decline comment.

Based on the above, what Riley and Wade did was tampering. Too much $$$ at stake for the NBA to do anything about it. That unholy trinity coming together in that unholy way made everybody in the league too much $$$$. Some would argue that Gilbert not lodging a complaint about it got Cleveland one or was it two or was it three number one picks.

Also, based on the above, if James contacted Love to "entice" him to play in Cleveland, since Love is still under contract with Minny, THAT would be tampering. Again, too much $$$ at stake to not let this happen.

"It's good to be the king!!"

So CFan are you saying the NBA fixed the draft to reward Cleveland with two number one lottery picks?

[csfansince60s]

Call a spade a spade.  ITS TAMPERING.  If the NBA was serious they'd do something but they have no balls.

You're right about it being tampering, but wrong about why the NBA won't do anything about it. It has nothing to do with balls but rather $$$$$.

Here is what tampering is from:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q106

Tampering is when a player or team directly or indirectly entices, induces or persuades anybody (player, general manager, etc.) who is under contract with another team in order to negotiate for their services. The NBA may impose suspensions and/or fines up to $50,000 if tampering is discovered, however the league's practice has been to wait until a team lodges a complaint before investigating (but that's not to say they don't continue to monitor the league and won't take action independently if they discover that tampering has occurred). Here are some examples:
?The Miami Heat were discovered to have tampered with Pat Riley in 1995 by negotiating with Riley while he was the head coach of the New York Knicks. The Heat "settled," and avoided league-imposed penalties, by compensating the Knicks with $1 million and their first round draft pick in 1996.
?After Will Perdue left San Antonio in the 1999 offseason to sign with Chicago, he commented to the press about the possibility of the Bulls signing Tim Duncan and/or Grant Hill in 2000. The league considered this to be tampering, and issued Perdue a warning.

You may have noticed that when general managers and other team personnel talk to the press, they are careful to avoid talking about specific players who play for other teams. They do this in order to avoid tampering. The only allowed response when talking about players under contract with other teams is to decline comment.

Based on the above, what Riley and Wade did was tampering. Too much $$$ at stake for the NBA to do anything about it. That unholy trinity coming together in that unholy way made everybody in the league too much $$$$. Some would argue that Gilbert not lodging a complaint about it got Cleveland one or was it two or was it three number one picks.

Also, based on the above, if James contacted Love to "entice" him to play in Cleveland, since Love is still under contract with Minny, THAT would be tampering. Again, too much $$$ at stake to not let this happen.

"It's good to be the king!!"

So CFan are you saying the NBA fixed the draft to reward Cleveland with two number one lottery picks?

+1, Ogaju, when you or I or anyone else on this board raises the possibility that the Draft/NBA is in certain very specific, isolated circumstances, intentionally tilted in a certain direction, we're dubbed "conspiracy theorists" in the worst connotations  of the phrase, raising the image of the tinfoil hats and so on.

The NBA? Fixed? (Donaghy?, who's he?) In the words of the immortal Captain Renault in the timeless Casablanca:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME

[LooseCannon]

+1, Ogaju, when you or I or anyone else on this board raises the possibility that the Draft/NBA is in certain very specific, isolated circumstances, intentionally tilted in a certain direction, we're dubbed "conspiracy theorists" in the worst connotations  of the phrase, raising the image of the tinfoil hats and so on.

In the hierarchy of conspiracy theorists, you are worse than the anti-vaccination nuts and people who whine about chemtrails, but not as bad as birthers or the people who claim that Sandy Hook was a false flag operation intended to justify stricter gun control.

[Ogaju]

It defies logic that the same league that gives preferential treatment to superstars such that they almost never foul out of games, the same league that is noted for the so-called rookie treatment in personal foul decisions, the same league that allows wholesale Edited for profanity.  Please do not do it again.ization of travelling and carrying rules, has never or will never give preference to outcomes that benefit the league in the long run.

Ask Marcus Camby about phantom foul calls.