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Re: What's so good about james young?
« Reply #45 on: June 27, 2014, 07:19:31 PM »

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The best comparison I could come up with for James Young is Danny Granger. Granger is taller, but Young already has a 1 inch advantage in standing reach, and he's still probably growing a bit. Once Young fills out in 2-3 years, he'll probably look a lot like Danny Granger, and could be a #1 scoring option depending on circumstances and roster:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9DOr7oIHQo

Forgive me, but I just don't understand the Granger comparison.  Danny has a post up game, is an excellent shooter from deep and midrange, he's a very good defender (who can be great), and is a very smart player who is a pretty good passer.  What about Young makes you think he can be Granger, aside from the fact that they were both selected at 17?

Re: What's so good about james young?
« Reply #46 on: June 27, 2014, 07:44:45 PM »

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some mocks had him projected 25-30.  Everyone seemed to think he was a steal, though. 

He's 18.  We'll see what he looks like in 4 years.

I'm sure it must be true, but I did a quick search of mocks and found Young at 10, 14 (twice), 15, 22, 24 and 25.   I think you might be seeing the glass a little bit on the empty side.

Marcus Smart was 6 or 7 on every mock I saw -- and I think you were pretty upset at Danny for that pick too.

Hope you're feeling a little better today.  I think the C's may have got themselves two very good future players -- both with significant upside.

Re: What's so good about james young?
« Reply #47 on: June 27, 2014, 07:50:56 PM »

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some mocks had him projected 25-30.  Everyone seemed to think he was a steal, though. 

He's 18.  We'll see what he looks like in 4 years.

I'm sure it must be true, but I did a quick search of mocks and found Young at 10, 14 (twice), 15, 22, 24 and 25.   I think you might be seeing the glass a little bit on the empty side.

Marcus Smart was 6 or 7 on every mock I saw -- and I think you were pretty upset at Danny for that pick too.

Hope you're feeling a little better today.  I think the C's may have got themselves two very good future players -- both with significant upside.
Might depend on timing. He apparently got into a car accident and missed a bunch of workouts, which apparently damaged his draft stock.
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Re: What's so good about james young?
« Reply #48 on: June 27, 2014, 08:03:02 PM »

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The best comparison I could come up with for James Young is Danny Granger. Granger is taller, but Young already has a 1 inch advantage in standing reach, and he's still probably growing a bit. Once Young fills out in 2-3 years, he'll probably look a lot like Danny Granger, and could be a #1 scoring option depending on circumstances and roster:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9DOr7oIHQo

Forgive me, but I just don't understand the Granger comparison.  Danny has a post up game, is an excellent shooter from deep and midrange, he's a very good defender (who can be great), and is a very smart player who is a pretty good passer.  What about Young makes you think he can be Granger, aside from the fact that they were both selected at 17?

Granger played 4 years of college, first of all, so the comparison might not be obvious. As a small time college player at Bradley and New Mexico, Granger was playing in the post more so he got pretty good at post scoring in his four years of college.

Granger weighed 225 at his Combine, which is about what I'd expect Young to weigh in 3-4 years when he will be the same age Granger was as a rookie.

After Granger established himself as an All Star in 08-09, he settled into a role as primarily a jump shooter. He kind of fell in love with his jumper, looked to pass less, and his defense fell off, as I recall. This is the Granger I'm comparing Young to.

Here is an article from 2010 that talks about Granger settling into a less aggressive, more perimeter based player: http://dimemag.com/2010/10/ranking-the-nbas-30-go-to-guys-19-danny-granger/
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As much as fantasy owners love Granger, basketball sabermetricians hate him. Why such a divide between the two most stat-obsessed hoop fans on the landscape? Because Granger is living, breathing, buckets-getting proof that numbers don?t tell the entire story.

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the numbers didn?t always reflect what the eye could see. Granger technically didn?t take any more three-pointers last season than he did in his All-Star year, but from watching the Pacers you could tell he?d become increasingly stuck on his outside jumper (75 percent of FGA?s were jump shots, and 81 percent in clutch time). And while his free-throw attempts stayed the same as the previous season (6.9 per game), Granger appeared to be attacking the basket less often, or at least less often in crucial junctures of the game.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Danny-Granger-86/stats/

I'm not saying Young will be exactly the caliber of scorer Granger was, but keep in mind Granger was the go to guy on some bad/mediocre teams. His %s aren't as great as you'd think, nor was his impact. A bit like Rudy Gay.

Comparing Young to guys like Harden or other guards doesn't really make sense, because Young is possibly still growing and is definitely going to get 10-20 lbs stronger over the next two-three years. And with his 7 foot wingspan, he plays and will be playing like guys who are 6'8 ish. His standing reach is only 1 inch shorter than Blake Griffin's.

Like Granger, Young is a good but not amazing athlete. Young already drives to the hoop with some physicality, so he'll only get more physical and more Granger-like as he gets older and stronger.

Young will probably never be as good a passer or as strong as Granger, but I think it's a pretty solid comparison, which isn't easy to come up with for this kid.

Re: What's so good about james young?
« Reply #49 on: June 28, 2014, 12:30:24 AM »

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some have compared Young to James Harden.  Like Harden he is not a high flyer and at times has/will have problems finishing around the net  (though with experience and adding strength will get better).  Just like Harden Young is a lefty, excellent shooter, utilizes floaters and is a fiery competitor.  Two bad things they share in common is being too left hand dominant and also at times can get trigger happy(which is a bad thing but also can be a good thing)

Okay, but Young doesn't have much of handle and isn't close to the passer that Harden is, imo.  At least, not yet.  Give him time.  The guy hasn't even been a Celtic for 24 hours lol.

Of course Young is not as good as Harden, not yet anyways.  Young though has height/wingspan adv over Harden. 

Re: What's so good about james young?
« Reply #50 on: June 28, 2014, 12:31:46 AM »

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbHGTyMz4tg

does this guy miss?? Exellent consistent shooting stroke. Just needs to add 15-20 pounds of muscle to do some damage in the nba

Re: What's so good about james young?
« Reply #51 on: June 28, 2014, 01:10:18 AM »

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Here is a pretty good recap of Young complete with his interview with the C's right after the draft.

http://www.celticsnuts.com/blog/2014/06/26/james-young-picked-17-overall/

Re: What's so good about james young?
« Reply #52 on: June 28, 2014, 02:18:38 AM »

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he missed the opening dunk ;D then goes on to bury jumper after jumper.

Re: What's so good about james young?
« Reply #53 on: June 29, 2014, 07:17:25 AM »

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Young looked better in the actual games I saw than in the highlight videos.  Some plays like that insane dunk he had in the finals made me think he was a better athlete... he's really not very athletic so I don't really see why his young age gives him all the upside that people are mentioning.

He can't dribble more than twice at a time and he can't defend or pass.  I see how his length will help him as a defender but he doesn't have much quickness and looks lost on defense. 

I think Gary Harris will be much better in the NBA, although picking him would have been redundant after taking Smart.

Re: What's so good about james young?
« Reply #54 on: June 29, 2014, 08:33:50 AM »

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He is still young, no pun intended.  His shooting is not bad and will only improve.   As for the size at the end of the game, a better athlete might be tired or cramping but Young will still have that size.  Ballhandling is easy to improve but it takes work to do so.   A lot of guys can coast on ability to up a certain level, now he is in the pros he better start filling in the gaps of his game.

Re: What's so good about james young?
« Reply #55 on: June 29, 2014, 12:07:08 PM »

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His stroke looked good even though he didn't shoot at a great percentage.

That's because he shot as many threes a game as twos.  He shoots something like 47% from 2 and 34% from 3.

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really????
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Re: What's so good about james young?
« Reply #56 on: June 29, 2014, 12:18:28 PM »

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I like the Young pick - and his game - MUCH better than the Marcus Smart mistake at 6.
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Re: What's so good about james young?
« Reply #57 on: June 29, 2014, 12:32:36 PM »

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His game reminds me of a cross between Eddie Jones (Young is taller) and JR Smith (I guess Young has better shot selection than JR though).

Re: What's so good about james young?
« Reply #58 on: June 29, 2014, 12:32:44 PM »

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I like the Young pick - and his game - MUCH better than the Marcus Smart mistake at 6.
who exactly was there at 6 that you wanted? vonleh who quit on indiana? or randle, the worse version of sully with 1 post move?

Re: What's so good about james young?
« Reply #59 on: June 29, 2014, 01:31:53 PM »

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I like the Young pick - and his game - MUCH better than the Marcus Smart mistake at 6.
who exactly was there at 6 that you wanted? vonleh who quit on indiana? or randle, the worse version of sully with 1 post move?

thank you. exactly.
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