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On nights when Jeff Green struggles, who is our #2 scoring option?

Courtney Lee
1 (3.6%)
Jared Sullinger
4 (14.3%)
Jordan Crawford
1 (3.6%)
Gerald Wallace
2 (7.1%)
Marshon Brooks
0 (0%)
Kelly Olynyk
5 (17.9%)
Avery Bradley
0 (0%)
Rajon Rondo
13 (46.4%)
Brandon Bass
0 (0%)
None Of The Above
2 (7.1%)
Phil Presey
0 (0%)
Keith Bogans
0 (0%)
Kris Humphries
0 (0%)

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Re: Simple Question: Who scores?
« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2013, 12:02:25 PM »

Offline ScoobyDoo

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Jeff Green: 18 a game
Sully: 15 a game (if healthy)
Rondo: 15 a game
Bradley: 12 a game
Olynyk: 12 a game
Brooks: 12 a game
Bass / Presey / Wallace...

Re: Simple Question: Who scores?
« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2013, 12:09:04 PM »

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Seriously I am seeing 15 ppg out of Avery Bradley this season. He si fast enough to beat most SGs to the basket off the ball, so its a matter of the likes of Bass, Hump and Olynyk drawing the big men out of the paint enough with their shooting
Bradley barely has the handle to dribble the ball up the court by himself let alone blow by another player.

Re: Simple Question: Who scores?
« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2013, 12:13:47 PM »

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I think green will be in the 20 a game range.  After that I like the team concept.  We have lots of guys that can score 20 on a given night and a average near 10.
rondo, sully, ko, bass, humphries, wallace, brooks, bradley. lee

in terms of average i would guess
green 20
rondo 15

next group around 9-12

Re: Simple Question: Who scores?
« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2013, 12:21:35 PM »

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It will be the green and olynyk show and from the bench brooks will be the most consistent scorer

Green - 16-17 ppg
Olynyk - 13-14 ppg
Sully - 10-12 ppg
Ab- 10-12 ppg
Rondo - 14-16 ppg

Off the bench
Brooks most reliable at 8-12 ppg

Re: Simple Question: Who scores?
« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2013, 12:42:31 PM »

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Jesus...  looking at that list, I hope this team can play D!

Not a guy up there that I'd think of as a potential go-to guy.  Sully should be able to get some points cleaning up inside, but he's not the second coming of Big Al on the blocks.

JorShon CrawBrooks will get hot some nights but there's also a lot of 1-8 performances in their futures. 

Lee and Bradley are 4th-option types, not guys who can create their own shots. 

The Big KO, that's his role in the future but he's going to struggle at times like all rooks.  Can't count on him.

Lots of guys who will likely be playing who I think of as clean-up scorers (Sully, Hump, Gerald Wallace), which is good because I've got a feeling there will be plenty of opportunities to grab an offensive rebound!

Re: Simple Question: Who scores?
« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2013, 12:43:33 PM »

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Seriously I am seeing 15 ppg out of Avery Bradley this season. He si fast enough to beat most SGs to the basket off the ball, so its a matter of the likes of Bass, Hump and Olynyk drawing the big men out of the paint enough with their shooting
Bradley barely has the handle to dribble the ball up the court by himself let alone blow by another player.

I don't think he's suggesting that Bradley is "fast enough to beat most SGs" on the dribble. 

He specifically said, "off the ball".

He's talking about raw foot speed & moving off the ball.   In the scenario, if our shooters are able to pull bigs out of the paint, in theory Bradley should be fast enough on curls and baseline picks to shed his man to get wide open to the hoop on a regular basis, maybe 2-4 times a game.   Of course, we need folks to be able to pass to him.    A healthy Rondo, obviously would help there.   

And of course, the assumption would be that Bradley would not miss layups at quite the absurd rate he did this last season, coming off shoulder surgery.   I think that is a reasonable assumption.
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Re: Simple Question: Who scores?
« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2013, 12:46:41 PM »

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Green:  18 PPG
Rondo: 16 PPG
Bass:  13 PPG
Sullinger:  12 PPG
Bradley:  12 PPG
Olynyk:  11 PPG
Lee:  10 PPG
Wallace:  9 PPG
Humphries: 9 PPG

So the team is going to score 110 points per game? Nice!

Re: Simple Question: Who scores?
« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2013, 01:15:15 PM »

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Man, I think some of you guys are extremely optimistic about Olynyk.

In the past 4 years, only 4 PF/C have averaged double figures as a rookie:  Anthony Davis, Blake Griffin, DeMarcus Cousins, and Kenneth Faried.  Though if I go back a 5th year, the number jumps, I feel thats more of an anomoly, so I cut it off at 4 years.

And this is with guys like Andre Drummond, Thomas Robinson, Derrick Williams, Tristan Thompson, and Greg Monroe not being able to do it.

I just think it’s usually unlikely for most rookies to score double figures, and those that do are usually guards.  Even studs like Chris Bosh (11.5), Kevin Love (11.1), and Al Horford (10.1) were barely able to do it, while another stud like LaMarcus Aldridge (9.0) couldn't get it done.

Hey I hope Olynyk proves me wrong, but I wouldn’t count on it.

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Re: Simple Question: Who scores?
« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2013, 01:32:26 PM »

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Man, I think some of you guys are extremely optimistic about Olynyk.

In the past 4 years, only 4 PF/C have averaged double figures as a rookie:  Anthony Davis, Blake Griffin, DeMarcus Cousins, and Kenneth Faried.  Though if I go back a 5th year, the number jumps, I feel thats more of an anomoly, so I cut it off at 4 years.

And this is with guys like Andre Drummond, Thomas Robinson, Derrick Williams, Tristan Thompson, and Greg Monroe not being able to do it.

I just think it’s usually unlikely for most rookies to score double figures, and those that do are usually guards.  Even studs like Chris Bosh (11.5), Kevin Love (11.1), and Al Horford (10.1) were barely able to do it, while another stud like LaMarcus Aldridge (9.0) couldn't get it done.

Hey I hope Olynyk proves me wrong, but I wouldn’t count on it.

Druummond barely scored double figure in college. Triston thompson? Such overrated undersized pf. Olynyk had the best PER in college last year. Kid is going to score points if anything

Re: Simple Question: Who scores?
« Reply #39 on: August 07, 2013, 02:20:13 PM »

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Man, I think some of you guys are extremely optimistic about Olynyk.

In the past 4 years, only 4 PF/C have averaged double figures as a rookie:  Anthony Davis, Blake Griffin, DeMarcus Cousins, and Kenneth Faried.  Though if I go back a 5th year, the number jumps, I feel thats more of an anomoly, so I cut it off at 4 years.

And this is with guys like Andre Drummond, Thomas Robinson, Derrick Williams, Tristan Thompson, and Greg Monroe not being able to do it.

I just think it’s usually unlikely for most rookies to score double figures, and those that do are usually guards.  Even studs like Chris Bosh (11.5), Kevin Love (11.1), and Al Horford (10.1) were barely able to do it, while another stud like LaMarcus Aldridge (9.0) couldn't get it done.

Hey I hope Olynyk proves me wrong, but I wouldn’t count on it.

Druummond barely scored double figure in college. Triston thompson? Such overrated undersized pf. Olynyk had the best PER in college last year. Kid is going to score points if anything

Ok, he had a high PER just like Luke Harongody, Greg Oden, Roy Hibbert, Tyrus Thomas, Paul Millsap, Joahkim Noah, Andrew Bogut, Shelden Williams, Dejuan Blair, Derrick Williams, Jared Sullinger, etc.  All guys with 30+ PER's in college, some with PER's higher than Olynyk.  Most were more highly regarded than Olynyk too.  All guys who couldn't get 10ppg in their rookie years.

Are you saying a great PER in college leads to a double digit scoring rookie season?  Because I don't think the link is there.

Most PF/C's don't score double digits in their rookie years.  Many big men who were more highly regarded than Olynyk, and have since proved to be very capable NBA players couldn't do it. So I wouldn't get my hopes up about Olynyk pulling it off.

Be great if he proves me wrong though.

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Re: Simple Question: Who scores?
« Reply #40 on: August 07, 2013, 03:42:50 PM »

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Man, I think some of you guys are extremely optimistic about Olynyk.

In the past 4 years, only 4 PF/C have averaged double figures as a rookie:  Anthony Davis, Blake Griffin, DeMarcus Cousins, and Kenneth Faried.  Though if I go back a 5th year, the number jumps, I feel thats more of an anomoly, so I cut it off at 4 years.

And this is with guys like Andre Drummond, Thomas Robinson, Derrick Williams, Tristan Thompson, and Greg Monroe not being able to do it.

I just think it’s usually unlikely for most rookies to score double figures, and those that do are usually guards.  Even studs like Chris Bosh (11.5), Kevin Love (11.1), and Al Horford (10.1) were barely able to do it, while another stud like LaMarcus Aldridge (9.0) couldn't get it done.

Hey I hope Olynyk proves me wrong, but I wouldn’t count on it.

Druummond barely scored double figure in college. Triston thompson? Such overrated undersized pf. Olynyk had the best PER in college last year. Kid is going to score points if anything

Ok, he had a high PER just like Luke Harongody, Greg Oden, Roy Hibbert, Tyrus Thomas, Paul Millsap, Joahkim Noah, Andrew Bogut, Shelden Williams, Dejuan Blair, Derrick Williams, Jared Sullinger, etc.  All guys with 30+ PER's in college, some with PER's higher than Olynyk.  Most were more highly regarded than Olynyk too.  All guys who couldn't get 10ppg in their rookie years.

Are you saying a great PER in college leads to a double digit scoring rookie season?  Because I don't think the link is there.

Most PF/C's don't score double digits in their rookie years.  Many big men who were more highly regarded than Olynyk, and have since proved to be very capable NBA players couldn't do it. So I wouldn't get my hopes up about Olynyk pulling it off.

Be great if he proves me wrong though.

Your right just bc you have a high PER doesnt mean success in the nba. But like i mentioned somewhere else, harangody is a 6'6 pf that is not an athletic freak so somethjng has to give. On the other hand with high per olynyk is a mobile oversized pf, has an upper hand already.  Guys like hibbert struggled a little at first but look at him now. The thing about olynyk is his unique set of skills. Not only an oversized pf but also has guard skills. None of the players you provided had  have this quality. Three guys that that does in the most recent memory is davis, monroe and cousins and they did very well off the bat
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Re: Simple Question: Who scores?
« Reply #41 on: August 07, 2013, 11:24:48 PM »

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Green:  18 PPG
Rondo: 16 PPG
Bass:  13 PPG
Sullinger:  12 PPG
Bradley:  12 PPG
Olynyk:  11 PPG
Lee:  10 PPG
Wallace:  9 PPG
Humphries: 9 PPG

So the team is going to score 110 points per game? Nice!

Also nice, I think 7 double-digit scorers would be a league record and who's to say Wallace and Humphries couldn't make it a cool 9 double-digit scorers since they'd be oh so close.  Not bad for a bridge year!!

Re: Simple Question: Who scores?
« Reply #42 on: August 08, 2013, 01:44:15 AM »

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In my last post on Bradley I didn`t mean he will dribble past his defender, rather if the play is set up to pass him the ball close to the rim for the lay up, he can beat most of hid defenders to the ball most of the time. Might still be wrong
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