Celtics/Bucks trade idea to get Ellis/Dalembert

[gpap]

If you don't mind me asking, exactly who do you have in mind when you say "true star"?

While not all good players are "true stars", all "true stars" are good players.  Monta Ellis is not a good player.  Monta Ellis is the kind of player who fools idiots who think ppg is the most important stat in determining who is a good player.

So what are you insinuating? That I am an idiot because I think Ellis is a good player?

Not to mention, you still haven't answered the question of who fits the mold of a true star in the NBA.

For all this talk of who a true star "isn't", I've yet to hear anyone come up with someone who "is."

[LooseCannon]

Not to mention, you still haven't answered the question of who fits the mold of a true star in the NBA.

For all this talk of who a true star "isn't", I've yet to hear anyone come up with someone who "is."

Rondo.

[Quetzalcoatl]

If you had this team:

Chris Paul
Monta Ellis
Rudy Gay
David Lee
Samuel Dalembert (or DeAndre Jordan)

You would be awesome during the regular season, but you wouldn't make it out of the second round.  You can't have guys like this on your team anymore with the new CBA and still win a championship.  It's just not going to work out for you

[syfy9]

If you don't mind me asking, exactly who do you have in mind when you say "true star"?

While not all good players are "true stars", all "true stars" are good players.  Monta Ellis is not a good player.  Monta Ellis is the kind of player who fools idiots who think ppg is the most important stat in determining who is a good player.

So what are you insinuating? That I am an idiot because I think Ellis is a good player?

Not to mention, you still haven't answered the question of who fits the mold of a true star in the NBA.

For all this talk of who a true star "isn't", I've yet to hear anyone come up with someone who "is."

A guy who has no major weakness and who excels at many things and is at least average at everything (with some exceptions).

Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Kobe Bryant, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, James Harden, Carmelo, and Rose.

Rondo is a small step behind them because of free throw shooting.

[slamtheking]

I think adding Monta and Dalembert to this team would be perfect.

Perfect for what exactly?  Not trying to be sarcastic but I don't understand why you'd want an inefficient chucker and a mediocre (at best) center for this team.

we'd probably win more games (a few maybe) if we shipped out Lee and Bass as you've proposed but why would we want to do that?  They're not foundation players that you use to build a contender.  They'd (probably) worsen our position in next year's lottery --> I don't see them as the pieces to put us into the playoffs, certainly not more than the 8th seed.

So the question is, how does this deal benefit the team?  If Lee and Bass can get their shot back next year, they're better as a combo than Ellis/Sammy.

[gpap]

If you don't mind me asking, exactly who do you have in mind when you say "true star"?

While not all good players are "true stars", all "true stars" are good players.  Monta Ellis is not a good player.  Monta Ellis is the kind of player who fools idiots who think ppg is the most important stat in determining who is a good player.

So what are you insinuating? That I am an idiot because I think Ellis is a good player?

Not to mention, you still haven't answered the question of who fits the mold of a true star in the NBA.

For all this talk of who a true star "isn't", I've yet to hear anyone come up with someone who "is."

A guy who has no major weakness and who excels at many things and is at least average at everything (with some exceptions).

Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Kobe Bryant, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, James Harden, Carmelo, and Rose.

Rondo is a small step behind them because of free throw shooting.

Yes, I would agree with those names. I would also add Dirk, Kevin Love, Kyrie Irving, Joakim Noah.

[ABOS (A bit of Sanity)]

If you don't mind me asking, exactly who do you have in mind when you say "true star"?

While not all good players are "true stars", all "true stars" are good players.  Monta Ellis is not a good player.  Monta Ellis is the kind of player who fools idiots who think ppg is the most important stat in determining who is a good player.

So what are you insinuating? That I am an idiot because I think Ellis is a good player?

Not to mention, you still haven't answered the question of who fits the mold of a true star in the NBA.

For all this talk of who a true star "isn't", I've yet to hear anyone come up with someone who "is."

Come on buddy do you really want people to name you all the stars in the NBA. Montel Ellis is a decent player but if you think he's a star in the nba you dnt know what your talking about.

[Snakehead]

If Monta Ellis ever is wearing a Celtics uniform something has gone very wrong.

[LooseCannon]

I think adding Monta and Dalembert to this team would be perfect.

Perfect for what exactly?  Not trying to be sarcastic but I don't understand why you'd want an inefficient chucker and a mediocre (at best) center for this team.

we'd probably win more games (a few maybe) if we shipped out Lee and Bass as you've proposed but why would we want to do that?  They're not foundation players that you use to build a contender.  They'd (probably) worsen our position in next year's lottery --> I don't see them as the pieces to put us into the playoffs, certainly not more than the 8th seed.

So the question is, how does this deal benefit the team?  If Lee and Bass can get their shot back next year, they're better as a combo than Ellis/Sammy.

If it were possible under the salary cap, I'm not sure trading Bass and Lee for Ellis and Dalembert would have made the Celtics a better team last season.

[EDWARDO]

Paul George is going on the list. Duncan and Kobe are falling off the list. If you don't have a name on the list, your chances of winning a title are almost zero.

Nearly every title in the last 30 years can be accounted for by #1 picks and Jordan. Some HS guys (Kobe, KG) who would have been either #1 or #2 picks if given a year in college account for the rest. That's just the way it goes.

Monta Ellis pretty much sucks. Sorry, he is just leading you nowhere. Dalembert would have been a nice piece for us over the past two years, but just makes NO sense for us now.

[Jonny CC]

I think adding Monta and Dalembert to this team would be perfect.

Perfect for what exactly?  Not trying to be sarcastic but I don't understand why you'd want an inefficient chucker and a mediocre (at best) center for this team.

we'd probably win more games (a few maybe) if we shipped out Lee and Bass as you've proposed but why would we want to do that?  They're not foundation players that you use to build a contender.  They'd (probably) worsen our position in next year's lottery --> I don't see them as the pieces to put us into the playoffs, certainly not more than the 8th seed.

So the question is, how does this deal benefit the team?  If Lee and Bass can get their shot back next year, they're better as a combo than Ellis/Sammy.

If it were possible under the salary cap, I'm not sure trading Bass and Lee for Ellis and Dalembert would have made the Celtics a better team last season.

A legitimate shot-blocker would have been nice. I wouldn't mind getting Dalembert if it was on the cheap.

[Jonny CC]

We don't want these guys. Both overpaid chumps who will win all the games we don't want to win but none of the games we do wanna win. 7th or 8th seed. Almost like replacing Pierce and KG but they're both worse players overall.

Trades like this are the key to mediocrity. No true star and long contracts.

If you don't mind me asking, exactly who do you have in mind when you say "true star"?

I only ask because I notice this line of thinking is mentioned quite often.

So, if Ellis or Dalembert don't fit the bill, I am just wondering who or what fits the mold of a "true star."

a true star is Wiggins, jabari parker, james harden

we're talking legit stars, not ball chuckers and jokes on overpaid contracts

we'd become the pistons if we signed the josh smiths and the monta ellis' of the world.

Finally, Ellis averages 19 points per game. I really don't think that constitutes as him being a joke.

Bradley, Lee, -fill in the blank- could average 19ppg if they took 50 shots a game too. 

[slamtheking]

I think adding Monta and Dalembert to this team would be perfect.

Perfect for what exactly?  Not trying to be sarcastic but I don't understand why you'd want an inefficient chucker and a mediocre (at best) center for this team.

we'd probably win more games (a few maybe) if we shipped out Lee and Bass as you've proposed but why would we want to do that?  They're not foundation players that you use to build a contender.  They'd (probably) worsen our position in next year's lottery --> I don't see them as the pieces to put us into the playoffs, certainly not more than the 8th seed.

So the question is, how does this deal benefit the team?  If Lee and Bass can get their shot back next year, they're better as a combo than Ellis/Sammy.

If it were possible under the salary cap, I'm not sure trading Bass and Lee for Ellis and Dalembert would have made the Celtics a better team last season.

A legitimate shot-blocker would have been nice. I wouldn't mind getting Dalembert if it was on the cheap.

last year they probably would have helped.  especially Dalembert.  going forward --not so much.

[chambers]

We don't want these guys. Both overpaid chumps who will win all the games we don't want to win but none of the games we do wanna win. 7th or 8th seed. Almost like replacing Pierce and KG but they're both worse players overall.

Trades like this are the key to mediocrity. No true star and long contracts.

If you don't mind me asking, exactly who do you have in mind when you say "true star"?

I only ask because I notice this line of thinking is mentioned quite often.

So, if Ellis or Dalembert don't fit the bill, I am just wondering who or what fits the mold of a "true star."

a true star is Wiggins, jabari parker, james harden

we're talking legit stars, not ball chuckers and jokes on overpaid contracts

we'd become the pistons if we signed the josh smiths and the monta ellis' of the world.

Wiggins and Jabari Parker??? These guys haven't played a second of NBA game-action!!

And then that leaves James Harden, who I agree is a star.

But....is that it?

So right now, James Harden is the only true star in the NBA?

If so, then why are we following basketball?(lol)

Finally, Ellis averages 19 points per game. I really don't think that constitutes as him being a joke.

Now if the assertion is that he's a ball-hog, that's a different story.

I mean they're okay players but I think you need a legit superstar in place and these guys are like the finishing pieces to a top 8 team.

I just look at a guy like Ellis and how much offense he uses to get those 19 points and he just kills the teams overall production. I think he's a great player but not what we need right now. He'd be a good fit on a contender ( I think the Bulls were going after him?) where they have a few All Stars+ a franchise guy in Rose- they just need one more piece like Ellis and his scoring to help get them past Miami.

Dalambert is not as bad for our tanking attempt but I'd rather let a real young guy develop and ensure we lose an extra few games.

You're right though, it's very hard to get a superstar in the NBA at the moment. Ellis is one of those 3rd tier stars- he's not a franchise player and he's not an all star. He's like Jeff Green.
You're never winning a championship with him as your top scorer. (in my opinion).
I'd say we'd be better off in the long run just tanking and praying for Wiggins or Parker while we wait for the 2015 free agency class because unfortunately in all sports with a salary cap, you will always have up and down, winning and losing periods of suffering and losing. I guess that makes the 5-8 years of contending that much sweeter.