Rondo for Lin + Asik who says no

[Moranis]

First, I didn't say Boston should build around Lin or Asik, I said they were assets, which they are.  They are young players with 2 years left on their contracts.  They are easily movable at any time. 

Second, I don't know where this notion that Lin is terrible came from.  In his third year, he averaged 13.4 p, 6.1 a, 3 r per game with respectable outside shooting for a PG.  I mean he isn't Rondo, but he is far from terrible.   

Third, double double centers don't grow on trees.  They aren't easy to come by.  Asik is a double double center and while he isn't young, he did just finish his third year so he will only get better. 


This would be a pretty solid trade for Boston.  Two good solid young assets for a PG coming off of a torn ACL is a pretty solid trade.

No you never said that Asik or Lin were building blocks, but thats the level of talent that people are expecting back for Rondo.

Asik is an excellent player. He would fit in extremely well as a complementary piece on a contending roster.

Lin is a solid NBA PG, but is he worth 8m a year? I don't think so.

They are both tradeable assets and you could get nice pieces back for them, but you aren't getting superstar talent like Rondo for them so we shouldn't be giving him up in the first place.

We don't HAVE to trade Rondo, nor are we in a position to contend soon. So why would we give him up for players who are excellent complementary pieces but not building blocks?

Doesn't make sense to me. It's like buying the tires for your car before you get the engine. It's not going anywhere without both, but the engine is more important.

per 36 from last year

Jeff Green - 16.6 p, 5.1 r, 2.0 a, 1.1 b, .9 s
Jeremy Lin - 14.9 p, 3.4 r, 6.8 a, .4 b, 1.8 s

Lin is 1 million cheaper, 1 year less, younger, and with less experience.

Why do so many consider Jeff Green a great asset, but not Jeremy Lin?

  First of all, Jeff Green's numbers were skewed because he was coming back from heart surgery. His per36 scoring was 15 before the all star break, 19 after it. Also, Lin's a pretty poor defender, Green's pretty good on defense.

Jeff Green's per 36 last year were basically his career averages or slightly better everywhere except in rebounding.  Jeff Green was the exact same player of his entire career last year.  I will give you he is a better defender than Lin, but Lin has gotten better every year in that department.

  Jeff Green's play was significantly different in the spring than it was earlier in the year. What exactly do you think "Jeff Green was the exact same player of his entire career last year" means? That you're expecting him to have huge variations in his game over the course of every year, or that he'll play at one level during the year but it will be well below what he was doing after the all-star break? If that's the case, to what do you attribute the expected regression in his game?

Significantly?  He was more consistent and played a lot more minutes, but his per minute numbers were fairly consistent all year long and are fairly consistent with his career numbers after the first month or so when he was clearly rusty.  Jeff Green is a mid-level starter at best.  I'd actually rate Jeremy Lin as a much better prospect than him, given the age and experience difference.  And Lin is cheaper and less long term commitment. 

[KG Living Legend]

 Rondo for Lin Asik and four first rounders is my price do they do that no. But that's my price.

[BballTim]

First, I didn't say Boston should build around Lin or Asik, I said they were assets, which they are.  They are young players with 2 years left on their contracts.  They are easily movable at any time. 

Second, I don't know where this notion that Lin is terrible came from.  In his third year, he averaged 13.4 p, 6.1 a, 3 r per game with respectable outside shooting for a PG.  I mean he isn't Rondo, but he is far from terrible.   

Third, double double centers don't grow on trees.  They aren't easy to come by.  Asik is a double double center and while he isn't young, he did just finish his third year so he will only get better. 


This would be a pretty solid trade for Boston.  Two good solid young assets for a PG coming off of a torn ACL is a pretty solid trade.

No you never said that Asik or Lin were building blocks, but thats the level of talent that people are expecting back for Rondo.

Asik is an excellent player. He would fit in extremely well as a complementary piece on a contending roster.

Lin is a solid NBA PG, but is he worth 8m a year? I don't think so.

They are both tradeable assets and you could get nice pieces back for them, but you aren't getting superstar talent like Rondo for them so we shouldn't be giving him up in the first place.

We don't HAVE to trade Rondo, nor are we in a position to contend soon. So why would we give him up for players who are excellent complementary pieces but not building blocks?

Doesn't make sense to me. It's like buying the tires for your car before you get the engine. It's not going anywhere without both, but the engine is more important.

per 36 from last year

Jeff Green - 16.6 p, 5.1 r, 2.0 a, 1.1 b, .9 s
Jeremy Lin - 14.9 p, 3.4 r, 6.8 a, .4 b, 1.8 s

Lin is 1 million cheaper, 1 year less, younger, and with less experience.

Why do so many consider Jeff Green a great asset, but not Jeremy Lin?

  First of all, Jeff Green's numbers were skewed because he was coming back from heart surgery. His per36 scoring was 15 before the all star break, 19 after it. Also, Lin's a pretty poor defender, Green's pretty good on defense.

Jeff Green's per 36 last year were basically his career averages or slightly better everywhere except in rebounding.  Jeff Green was the exact same player of his entire career last year.  I will give you he is a better defender than Lin, but Lin has gotten better every year in that department.

  Jeff Green's play was significantly different in the spring than it was earlier in the year. What exactly do you think "Jeff Green was the exact same player of his entire career last year" means? That you're expecting him to have huge variations in his game over the course of every year, or that he'll play at one level during the year but it will be well below what he was doing after the all-star break? If that's the case, to what do you attribute the expected regression in his game?

Significantly?  He was more consistent and played a lot more minutes, but his per minute numbers were fairly consistent all year long and are fairly consistent with his career numbers after the first month or so when he was clearly rusty.  Jeff Green is a mid-level starter at best.  I'd actually rate Jeremy Lin as a much better prospect than him, given the age and experience difference.  And Lin is cheaper and less long term commitment.

  Green before the all-star break was getting 15 points per36 with a TS% of 52%. After the all-star break he was 19 points per36 with a TS% of 59%. That's a fairly significant difference. Lin's only 2 years younger and his numbers were down considerably on Houston from what they were on NY where his numbers were inflated by his play when Melo was out of the lineup. He might be cheaper but he's definitely not a better player, or close to it.

[CFAN38]

Houston would have to add to that package to even begin trade talks. If they could work out a way to take Rondo and Wallace and include picks then the Cs say yes. Other wise its not worth it.