No moore Bradley

[greenpride32]

Moore still needs to prove himself, I mean it was just one game.  But I definitely think he has potential.  Hopefully last night gives him confidence to be more agressive because all his other chances so far he has played very passively just standing around the perimeter.

I think Bradley has proven he is NOT ready to play at this level.  His defensive effectiveness goes down big time if he gets called for handchecks and if teams just pick him exactly as ORL was doing last night.

[Celtics4ever]

Moore deserves a shot.   The more I see Bradley the more doubts I have about him.    He has had one good game.  He is a pesky great on the ball defender.   But it the mental areas of his game I question along with his shot.

Moore is a rookie too.   He needs just as much time to develop as Avery.   But thus far, his basketball and IQ have outweighed his athletic ability.  As for defense, Moore was the guy who was in when we made the run.

Statistically Bradley is actually the better shooter right now.  I looked them up Avery is .37% and Moore is .32%.   But Moore seems to have " it" and ability to make big game shots like DJ had.   He is not as athletic but I trust him more on the court than I do Avery save for defense.   Four years of NCAA experience has better prepared him. 

Avery looks to be a good spot defender and you need those types.   Moore didn't play last year.  Bradley played in 31 games.   Moore deserves a shot after last night, IMHO.   I know what we have in Bradley, a lockdown defender who makes questionable decisions on offense.   The jury is still out on Moore.   

I want both of these guys to succeed though! 

[Boris Badenov]

If nothing else, both players have currently moved from "trade for salary then waive" to "include in trade then give a look" status.

[Celts Fan 92]

I was all for giving Bradley 20-30 games before I started to judge him, but after 17 he appears so unpolished that he's not going to change my mind any time soon.

Those of us who watched the preseason and that scrimmage realized Moore had a decent amount of NBA potential.  Doc choose Bradley instead, and decided against giving Moore any type of significant or consistent minutes to get in a rhythm.  I can't say that was a bad choice (or a good one) but I think it's Moore's turn now.

I like his ability to take some of the pressure off of Dooling playing the point (as opposed to AB who manages to add pressure), and also his defense doesn't look as bad as his body suggested.  We need offense wherever we can get it.  Bradley belongs in the D-League until he gets more comfortable with the ball and stops disrupting our flow.

Moore finally hit a few shots, which were crucial to this win- but once again, Bradley's ball pressure and disruption on Jameer and Duhon were crucial to this win as well.

You seem to be overlooking the pros and cons here.
What is more valuable to this team- and what are we likely to see more of on a consistent basis?
Bradley's defense or Moore's offense?
I'd argue its Bradley's defense. Moore is normally a liability on defense because of his slow feet. His game is structured on hesitation moves and pulling up- almost like Paul Pierce, because of his lack of quickness. He did very well tonight but he spent a lot of minutes playing against grandfather Duhon- not the most athletic guy in the league.

It depends on the match ups and what we need at the time.
Bradley has a much higher ceiling and that ceiling needs to get closer with playing time. He came out of college(after one year where his team under performed), got injured, and has never actually had a training camp with the Celtics.
He needs playing time. Did you see him attack the rim against the Wizards? Yes, McGee blocked him but you can't teach players that kind of killer instinct, taking it straight to the hole through a small gap and attempting to throw down.
He has the athleticism and killer instincts to be a dominant player in the NBA.

I don't know if you've read his scouting reports from high school and college, but he was a good shooter too.
Hopefully he can get his shooting and finishing at the rim to a decent level by the playoffs. Doc knows that he needs time to do this and he's willing to let the dice roll. It's a small gamble giving him this much time, but if it pays off, it will be enormous for us in the playoffs, AND enormous for us if we decide to make a last minute trade-he could be a vital piece that we move.
If he makes it to the playoffs, he'll be able to come in and pressure Rose, Collison, Holiday, Nelson and whoever brings the ball up the court.
I can't count how many times I've seen the opposing team only start their sets with 12-14 seconds on the clock. They panic, put their heads down and charge blindly inside, or shoot a less than pretty jump shot.

He's done enough for me to let him keep playing as the number one 'rookie' for now.
Moore was nice today, if he can keep shooting out of his slump then I'll reconsider things.
Moore is one on one offense, Bradley's defense turns into offense.

Bradley dominant player?? stop it I can't think of a dominant player who can barely dribble  who airballs uncontested shots who loses balls after cuts and has even airballed layups. While a good defender who has the potential to be great I see maybe a Eric Snow Lindsey Hunter type player with him. Til this day I have no idea how Bradley was the number 1 player in his high school class

[35Lewis]

They are both going to be good at different times and sometimes in the same games.  What we saw last night was a team that made an adjustment following the thrashing earlier in the week.  They game planned for Avery being a great on the ball defender.  They came out and ran screen up the court so Jameer could get into the offense quicker and also had Jameer accelerate to his right when Avery would move in to defend.  Avery tried playing the man exactly as he had on the previous game and was out of sorts due to the change in pace and the screens.

In this game we needed more offense so Moore was the obvious choice since Keyon is the new Delonte.  Now that he has made some shots, defenses will watch him a little more now but still won't game change until he is more consistent.  When Ray gets back, him and Moore will create defensive issues for the other team.

But as with all young players and rookies, last night Moore looked like the next best Twaun (Toine) in town and tonight he might look like the next Moore (Mikki).

[clover]

Neither one is a complete player.


Neither has played consistently in such a way to make the other one glued to the bench.


Both are role players with two completely different roles.


One, defensive on the ball pest.

The other, offense off the bench.




I think both should be played at times that their strength is needed while still developing their weaknesses.

Doc made the point that it was Moore's defense as well as offense that won the game for them last night, and it was Moore's defense that Scal was praising after playing with Moore in Italy.

But he's been a consistent shooter through college and from the much larger shooting sample that Doc has seen in practice, rather than the rook's few scattered minutes in the NBA, Doc says he's been the team's second best shooter after Ray.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss him because he's a 2nd round pick who had had only piecemeal minutes in games up until yesterday.

Who dismissed him?


I said both should continue to play where their strengths are needed.

I think it is easy, given that Bradley is so much stronger on defense than offense right now, to think of Moore as an offense-only bookend to Bradley's defense.

But IMO AB is too young write off his eventual offensive potential and Moore is showing signs of 'complete player' potential, granted that it is still very early, right now.

[elcotte]

They both need to keep playing. There's a lot to be said about young legs and energy. I think Bradley will continue to improve his offense to go with his excellent defense.
Moore showed that he is getting used to the speed of the pro game and can make a contribution.
If anyone sits, I say it's Dooling.

[ScoobyDoo]

I don't think either need to go to the D league. Eventually I see them playing together as well. Bradley D's the other teams' point, they can switch running the point depending on the sets.

Bradley - great D on opposing points that has value in "any" game at certain moments. He also cuts lanes decently off the ball. I'd like to see him getting the ball more off cuts on the way to the rim. Break points and mid range shots

Moore - a really good and diverse talent off the bench. May never be a starter but a long term 2nd or 3rd string guy.

I'd like to see Moore get some minutes at point if you don't need ball pressure.  But with his stroke, I'd also like to see him playing the Ray Allen role off the bench and with Rondo at the point. Let him get some spot up three in the half court set and some drift threes on the break.

This kid has a poor shooting percentage so far, but he is a very good shooter with an excellent stroke. That is not because of last night's game it's because you can tell by looking at his stroke and by what he has historically done throughout his college career. The more he settles down and as his confidence and comfort level grows, we'll better and better %'s from him.

He's not a jaw dropping athlete but he has one athletic attribute that will allow him to play solid D at this level. Very, very long arms. This means he can take  a 1/2 or full step off his man and still bother him. And when his man blows by him he can still trail him and stay with him due to his length. That combined with his intelligence will make him a solid NBA defender. It's similar to how Mchale used to guard the faster SF's sometime - by using his length - this is just at the guard spot.

I'd say by mid way through next season, once these two have more experience, you will be able to play them together off the bench.

As someone else said, continue playing them when their strengths dictate good match ups - continue developing their weaknesses.   

Moore: get stronger, continue working on his D and learning rotations is about it. He does everything else fairly well   

Bradley: Ball handling, ball handling, ball handling and his shot. He gets these down he can get anywhere on the court and he'll be at the foul line all night.

[OsirusCeltics]

Hmmmm play both of them??

[ScoobyDoo]

Yes, play both of them. But I also said not yet...

I mentioned that sometime next year, once they've had more experience and development you will probably be able to play them together.