No moore Bradley

[mgent]

I was all for giving Bradley 20-30 games before I started to judge him, but after 17 he appears so unpolished that he's not going to change my mind any time soon.

Those of us who watched the preseason and that scrimmage realized Moore had a decent amount of NBA potential.  Doc choose Bradley instead, and decided against giving Moore any type of significant or consistent minutes to get in a rhythm.  I can't say that was a bad choice (or a good one) but I think it's Moore's turn now.

I like his ability to take some of the pressure off of Dooling playing the point (as opposed to AB who manages to add pressure), and also his defense doesn't look as bad as his body suggested.  We need offense wherever we can get it.  Bradley belongs in the D-League until he gets more comfortable with the ball and stops disrupting our flow.

[vinnie]

Agree with this 100 percent.

[wdleehi]

Neither one is a complete player.


Neither has played consistently in such a way to make the other one glued to the bench.


Both are role players with two completely different roles.


One, defensive on the ball pest.

The other, offense off the bench.




I think both should be played at times that their strength is needed while still developing their weaknesses.

[GreenEnvy]

Neither one is a complete player.


Neither has played consistently in such a way to make the other one glued to the bench.


Both are role players with two completely different roles.


One, defensive on the ball pest.

The other, offense off the bench.




I think both should be played at times that their strength is needed while still developing their weaknesses.

Agreed. If it's a game where the PG is wearing us down(ie Chicago), we can run AB out there to throw him off his game.

If it's a team we need scoring against (ie Miami), shoot Moore out there for open looks.

I can see Moore getting some minutes behind Ray too, though. Something like a Rondo/Moore/Pietrus/Bass/KG unit could really hurt teams bridging quarters.

[Roy H.]

Neither one is a complete player.


Neither has played consistently in such a way to make the other one glued to the bench.


Both are role players with two completely different roles.


One, defensive on the ball pest.

The other, offense off the bench.




I think both should be played at times that their strength is needed while still developing their weaknesses.

Yeah, pretty much this. 

I think Bradley has more long-term potential; he's already playing top-notch defense, and he's got a ton of athleticism.  He's definitely a work in progress, though.

[mgent]

Neither has played consistently in such a way to make the other one glued to the bench.

And yet before Dooling got hurt, Bradley did have Moore glued to the bench.

Once Rondo and Ray come back, there's absolutely no reason for this kid to be on the court.  Dooling and Pietrus should be splitting those 40-45 minutes with a starter on the court.

Any left over 2 guard minutes should go to Marquis, Sasha, or yes even Moore before they go to Bradley.  He's a PROJECT.  Needs to work on his game a lot more, and should be doing so in the DLeague or in practice, not at the cost of our offense.



Clarification:  I don't think Moore is necessarily a better basketball player, but he's 100 times more NBA ready.  Last night we had maybe 5 or 6 opportunities to get the score within 15 and failed every time.  Absolutely no one could do it until Bradley sat down and Moore came in with a 3 and immediately sparked a 15-1 run.  Confidence is underrated.

[LB3533]

Bradley's defensive confidence is sky high.

His offensive confidence....not so much. But I like that he takes the shots and he has a tendency to drive to the rim...even if a Dwight Howard is in the way.

[Eja117]

I think it's Moore's turn now.

[/quot]This, but I don't think either one should go to the d- league. Maybe if the team gets 4 days off or the all-star break get them up there for 20 minutes of run or something, but I think they need to be here.  I'm not sold on Dooling

[kozlodoev]

Depending on how long Dooling is going to be out, we'll probably need and play both of them.

[Junkyard Dawg]

if you could somehow meld bradley and moore into one player, you would have the perfect young guy for this team.

Bradley played like an absolute monster in the first Orlando game.  last night, not so much.  but remember, Moore was 2-14 before last night.. it's hard to know what you're gonna get from either of these guys on any night, but it's exciting when the results are positive.

[chambers]

I was all for giving Bradley 20-30 games before I started to judge him, but after 17 he appears so unpolished that he's not going to change my mind any time soon.

Those of us who watched the preseason and that scrimmage realized Moore had a decent amount of NBA potential.  Doc choose Bradley instead, and decided against giving Moore any type of significant or consistent minutes to get in a rhythm.  I can't say that was a bad choice (or a good one) but I think it's Moore's turn now.

I like his ability to take some of the pressure off of Dooling playing the point (as opposed to AB who manages to add pressure), and also his defense doesn't look as bad as his body suggested.  We need offense wherever we can get it.  Bradley belongs in the D-League until he gets more comfortable with the ball and stops disrupting our flow.

Moore finally hit a few shots, which were crucial to this win- but once again, Bradley's ball pressure and disruption on Jameer and Duhon were crucial to this win as well.

You seem to be overlooking the pros and cons here.
What is more valuable to this team- and what are we likely to see more of on a consistent basis?
Bradley's defense or Moore's offense?
I'd argue its Bradley's defense. Moore is normally a liability on defense because of his slow feet. His game is structured on hesitation moves and pulling up- almost like Paul Pierce, because of his lack of quickness. He did very well tonight but he spent a lot of minutes playing against grandfather Duhon- not the most athletic guy in the league.

It depends on the match ups and what we need at the time.
Bradley has a much higher ceiling and that ceiling needs to get closer with playing time. He came out of college(after one year where his team under performed), got injured, and has never actually had a training camp with the Celtics.
He needs playing time. Did you see him attack the rim against the Wizards? Yes, McGee blocked him but you can't teach players that kind of killer instinct, taking it straight to the hole through a small gap and attempting to throw down.
He has the athleticism and killer instincts to be a dominant player in the NBA.

I don't know if you've read his scouting reports from high school and college, but he was a good shooter too.
Hopefully he can get his shooting and finishing at the rim to a decent level by the playoffs. Doc knows that he needs time to do this and he's willing to let the dice roll. It's a small gamble giving him this much time, but if it pays off, it will be enormous for us in the playoffs, AND enormous for us if we decide to make a last minute trade-he could be a vital piece that we move.
If he makes it to the playoffs, he'll be able to come in and pressure Rose, Collison, Holiday, Nelson and whoever brings the ball up the court.
I can't count how many times I've seen the opposing team only start their sets with 12-14 seconds on the clock. They panic, put their heads down and charge blindly inside, or shoot a less than pretty jump shot.

He's done enough for me to let him keep playing as the number one 'rookie' for now.
Moore was nice today, if he can keep shooting out of his slump then I'll reconsider things.
Moore is one on one offense, Bradley's defense turns into offense.

[clover]

Neither one is a complete player.


Neither has played consistently in such a way to make the other one glued to the bench.


Both are role players with two completely different roles.


One, defensive on the ball pest.

The other, offense off the bench.




I think both should be played at times that their strength is needed while still developing their weaknesses.

Doc made the point that it was Moore's defense as well as offense that won the game for them last night, and it was Moore's defense that Scal was praising after playing with Moore in Italy.

But he's been a consistent shooter through college and from the much larger shooting sample that Doc has seen in practice, rather than the rook's few scattered minutes in the NBA, Doc says he's been the team's second best shooter after Ray.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss him because he's a 2nd round pick who had had only piecemeal minutes in games up until yesterday.

[wdleehi]

Neither one is a complete player.


Neither has played consistently in such a way to make the other one glued to the bench.


Both are role players with two completely different roles.


One, defensive on the ball pest.

The other, offense off the bench.




I think both should be played at times that their strength is needed while still developing their weaknesses.

Doc made the point that it was Moore's defense as well as offense that won the game for them last night, and it was Moore's defense that Scal was praising after playing with Moore in Italy.

But he's been a consistent shooter through college and from the much larger shooting sample that Doc has seen in practice, rather than the rook's few scattered minutes in the NBA, Doc says he's been the team's second best shooter after Ray.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss him because he's a 2nd round pick who had had only piecemeal minutes in games up until yesterday.

Who dismissed him?


I said both should continue to play where their strengths are needed.

[jpd985]

Both players are young and young players suffer from inconsistency. They will have highs and lows they need to work through. Bradley didn't play well in the first half last night but no one did save for Pietrus. He did better in the second and I liked it when he cut to the basket when his defender sagged off him. Moore played great and definitely needs more PT but lets not get ahead of ourselves after last night and not down on him if he has a poor game tonight.

[pearljammer10]

Two things that have stuck out in my mind about Avery Bradely.... I wanna say the Nets game? I cant remember which game where he took a wide open three from the top of the key, jacked the shot, and just claaaanked it off the backboard. It didnt even come close to hitting rim and was about a foot wide right. Then last night in the Magic game....Coming off a screen to his "sweet spot", and air balling a wide open uncontested jumper....

I don't understand how you can be in the NBA and make these type of plays on offense while being uncontested. There has to be someone else at there that could give us more valuable minutes as a more complete player.

Not to take anything away from him, he has played hard in the minutes he has gotten... But he needs a lot and lot of work.