Watching Haslem Frustrates me

[LB3533]

Where is this Big Baby playing poorly for half the season?

He struggled in Feb. and April. That's two months. That's 19 games.

For 4 months and the 3 Dec. games, BBD was 6th man of the year quality player.

We all know in Feb. the C's struggled to get to the AS break.

Then the trade happened late in the month, mid March is when this team started to really struggle...all the way down to the end of the RS.

[kozlodoev]

As for Perk and KG, they never averaged more than 63 minutes a game combined while both were in Boston.  That leaves 33 more minutes at the 4 and 5, yet for some strange reason Doc decided to give a lot of those minutes to people other than Baby.

I am certain that competing for those leftover minutes with Rasheed Wallace and Leon Powe is just as easy as competing with Earl Barron and Jamaal Magloire. Talk about being immune to facts.

[MBunge]

As for Perk and KG, they never averaged more than 63 minutes a game combined while both were in Boston.  That leaves 33 more minutes at the 4 and 5, yet for some strange reason Doc decided to give a lot of those minutes to people other than Baby.

I am certain that competing for those leftover minutes with Rasheed Wallace and Leon Powe is just as easy as competing with Earl Barron and Jamaal Magloire. Talk about being immune to facts.

In 09-10, Sheed averaged 9 pts, 4 rebs, 40% from the field and 28% from 3.  Yeah, there's no way Baby could compete with world-beating numbers like that.

In 08-09, Powe averaged 7.7 pts, 4.9 rebs and 52% from the field.  I'm surprised Baby ever saw the court going up against that kind of Hall of Fame production.

And I'm sure the only reason Haslem has consistenly played more than Baby is because everybody else on the Heat always sucked.  There's no other possible explanation.

As you say, Baby is THE ULTIMATE BASKETBALL WARRIOR AND NO ONE CAN EVER HAVE ANY LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS ABOUT HIS PLAY ON THE COURT.

Mike

[LB3533]

Since KG went down in 08-09, due to Baby's performance, I think Doc put a lot of trust in Baby.

Baby may have gotten a big head because of this, who knows.

But to me, Doc has gone out of his way to play Baby more minutes.

I am not so sure if it was because we didn't have other personnel on our roster or not...but Baby played a lot in the last few years.

I think BBD did deserve the time he got, because he did perform well and we got a lot of benefit from playing Baby.

No other player on our roster gives us what Baby can give us.

This is why when he stopped giving us these things we struggled as a team and fans wanted BBD's head.

[kozlodoev]

As for Perk and KG, they never averaged more than 63 minutes a game combined while both were in Boston.  That leaves 33 more minutes at the 4 and 5, yet for some strange reason Doc decided to give a lot of those minutes to people other than Baby.

I am certain that competing for those leftover minutes with Rasheed Wallace and Leon Powe is just as easy as competing with Earl Barron and Jamaal Magloire. Talk about being immune to facts.

In 09-10, Sheed averaged 9 pts, 4 rebs, 40% from the field and 28% from 3.  Yeah, there's no way Baby could compete with world-beating numbers like that.

In 08-09, Powe averaged 7.7 pts, 4.9 rebs and 52% from the field.  I'm surprised Baby ever saw the court going up against that kind of Hall of Fame production.

And I'm sure the only reason Haslem has consistenly played more than Baby is because everybody else on the Heat always sucked.  There's no other possible explanation.

As you say, Baby is THE ULTIMATE BASKETBALL WARRIOR AND NO ONE CAN EVER HAVE ANY LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS ABOUT HIS PLAY ON THE COURT.

Mike

And yet, both of those guys were significantly better than Earl Barron and Jamaal Magloire.

Also, if you're going to troll in all caps, please go away. Thanks.

[MBunge]

As for Perk and KG, they never averaged more than 63 minutes a game combined while both were in Boston.  That leaves 33 more minutes at the 4 and 5, yet for some strange reason Doc decided to give a lot of those minutes to people other than Baby.

I am certain that competing for those leftover minutes with Rasheed Wallace and Leon Powe is just as easy as competing with Earl Barron and Jamaal Magloire. Talk about being immune to facts.

In 09-10, Sheed averaged 9 pts, 4 rebs, 40% from the field and 28% from 3.  Yeah, there's no way Baby could compete with world-beating numbers like that.

In 08-09, Powe averaged 7.7 pts, 4.9 rebs and 52% from the field.  I'm surprised Baby ever saw the court going up against that kind of Hall of Fame production.

And I'm sure the only reason Haslem has consistenly played more than Baby is because everybody else on the Heat always sucked.  There's no other possible explanation.

As you say, Baby is THE ULTIMATE BASKETBALL WARRIOR AND NO ONE CAN EVER HAVE ANY LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS ABOUT HIS PLAY ON THE COURT.

Mike

And yet, both of those guys were significantly better than Earl Barron and Jamaal Magloire.

Also, if you're going to troll in all caps, please go away. Thanks.

Who on this thread or any other has ever said that Baby isn't better than Earl Barron or Jamaal Magloire?  The comparison is obviously between Baby and Haslem.  Do you think Baby is better than Haslem?  You've never said, but then you actually haven't said much of anything.  All you've done is emptily and obstinately taken issue with relatively reasonable complaints about Baby.  You've never put forth an argument that Baby is a good player.  All you've done is bicker, seemingly for no purpose.

If there's a troll on this thread, it ain't me.

Mike

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As for Perk and KG, they never averaged more than 63 minutes a game combined while both were in Boston.  That leaves 33 more minutes at the 4 and 5, yet for some strange reason Doc decided to give a lot of those minutes to people other than Baby.

Speaking of Jamaal Magloire, I'd wager that the heat are going to trot him out there briefly against Dallas, perhaps for a nice hard foul here and there.
I am certain that competing for those leftover minutes with Rasheed Wallace and Leon Powe is just as easy as competing with Earl Barron and Jamaal Magloire. Talk about being immune to facts.

In 09-10, Sheed averaged 9 pts, 4 rebs, 40% from the field and 28% from 3.  Yeah, there's no way Baby could compete with world-beating numbers like that.

In 08-09, Powe averaged 7.7 pts, 4.9 rebs and 52% from the field.  I'm surprised Baby ever saw the court going up against that kind of Hall of Fame production.

And I'm sure the only reason Haslem has consistenly played more than Baby is because everybody else on the Heat always sucked.  There's no other possible explanation.

As you say, Baby is THE ULTIMATE BASKETBALL WARRIOR AND NO ONE CAN EVER HAVE ANY LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS ABOUT HIS PLAY ON THE COURT.

Mike

And yet, both of those guys were significantly better than Earl Barron and Jamaal Magloire.

Also, if you're going to troll in all caps, please go away. Thanks.

[kozlodoev]

As for Perk and KG, they never averaged more than 63 minutes a game combined while both were in Boston.  That leaves 33 more minutes at the 4 and 5, yet for some strange reason Doc decided to give a lot of those minutes to people other than Baby.

I am certain that competing for those leftover minutes with Rasheed Wallace and Leon Powe is just as easy as competing with Earl Barron and Jamaal Magloire. Talk about being immune to facts.

In 09-10, Sheed averaged 9 pts, 4 rebs, 40% from the field and 28% from 3.  Yeah, there's no way Baby could compete with world-beating numbers like that.

In 08-09, Powe averaged 7.7 pts, 4.9 rebs and 52% from the field.  I'm surprised Baby ever saw the court going up against that kind of Hall of Fame production.

And I'm sure the only reason Haslem has consistenly played more than Baby is because everybody else on the Heat always sucked.  There's no other possible explanation.

As you say, Baby is THE ULTIMATE BASKETBALL WARRIOR AND NO ONE CAN EVER HAVE ANY LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS ABOUT HIS PLAY ON THE COURT.

Mike

And yet, both of those guys were significantly better than Earl Barron and Jamaal Magloire.

Also, if you're going to troll in all caps, please go away. Thanks.

Who on this thread or any other has ever said that Baby isn't better than Earl Barron or Jamaal Magloire?  The comparison is obviously between Baby and Haslem.  Do you think Baby is better than Haslem?  You've never said, but then you actually haven't said much of anything.  All you've done is emptily and obstinately taken issue with relatively reasonable complaints about Baby.  You've never put forth an argument that Baby is a good player.  All you've done is bicker, seemingly for no purpose.

If there's a troll on this thread, it ain't me.

Mike

This conversation started when you compared the per-game stats of Haslem and Davis as an argument that the latter is a superior player.

I think my argument has been pretty clear:

1. In terms of per-minute production, Glen Davis and Udonis Haslem are pretty much the same player.

2. Glen Davis has played less because the Celtics front court rotation has generally been more stacked with talent than the Heat front court, over the relevant period of time.

[LB3533]

Haslem should be averaging 28-30 mpg next season now that Bosh is playing ahead of him.

[LB3533]

This is why we shouldn't give up on Baby.

http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/213865/The_Importance_Of_Jump_Shooting_Big_Men

[LilRip]

This is why we shouldn't give up on Baby.

http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/213865/The_Importance_Of_Jump_Shooting_Big_Men

i think shooting, in general, is important. That's why as brilliant as Rondo is, he can hurt our team offensively pretty bad too, especially when Rondo is just always looking to pass.

And BBD (as someone had said in another thread) shoots something like 35% on his jumpers. he's not really a shooter. he's more of a "shooter".