Doc reflects on the trade

[ben]

ben: krstic had both of his knees bruised and JO was playing through a broken wrist - handing them more minutes wouldn't have helped. Not to mention is a solid offensive player, but his defensive is worse then Glen's. Playing him at 4 against Lebron James would have been disastrous. Green was good for us for stretches, but clearly needs more time/practice within the system.

Its always entertaining to me how people think professional coaching & managing players' egos is so simplistic - if that's the case, go out and get Doc's job.

I like the part where you asked me to "go out" and get Doc's job.  At least I have a voice that still works ... 

nah, i still diesagree with you on Jeff Green.  Jeff Green was definitely ready to take all of glen's minutes at the 4 considering Glen played absolutely terrible.  And forgive me if I think it's not as hard as some people make it out to be moving from one team to another.  I seem to remember a certain 3 players that got together and won a championship the first year playing together.  The three players(yeah im talking about our big 3)  learned thibs defense and docs "offense" in less than one year, and won a championship while they were at it.  Basketball is a simple game at its core, I am not afraid to say that. 

[quidinqui33]

I think a major quote from this interview is Doc saying:

"Now there's the fifth guy who doesn't know your offense three years ago. He only knows what he knows since he's been there, and that limited our group. With Rondo, because the way teams guard him, you need a massive playbook and that took more away from it than we thought."

That says quite a bit about how Rondo's lack of shooting affects this team.  The PG should make the game easier but it almost seems that the C's have had to come up with a complex playbook to offset some of Rondo's shortcomings.  I love Rondo, but that is definitely some food for thought when considering if we should ship him for a CP3 or a Deron Williams.

[OsirusCeltics]

I think a major quote from this interview is Doc saying:

"Now there's the fifth guy who doesn't know your offense three years ago. He only knows what he knows since he's been there, and that limited our group. With Rondo, because the way teams guard him, you need a massive playbook and that took more away from it than we thought."

That says quite a bit about how Rondo's lack of shooting affects this team.  The PG should make the game easier but it almost seems that the C's have had to come up with a complex playbook to offset some of Rondo's shortcomings.  I love Rondo, but that is definitely some food for thought when considering if we should ship him for a CP3 or a Deron Williams.

TP
That honestly scared me a little. I never even thought about all those complex plays to hide Rondo's lack of scoring. And not to mention all those turnovers caused from over-passing instead of taking the shot

[hibbamax]

I think the same logic can be applied to our defense. While I like Rondo's defense, having Garnett AND Perkins allowed Rondo to develop his gambling style of defense where he played for the steal. Rondo was never a player who got into the proper defensive position. He used angles and quickness to wreck havoc. With Perkins and Garnett guarding the hoop and making great rotations, this style was really worked. But when Rondo had to deny penetration by staying in front of his guy, he was not as effective.
I always thought it was our defense that led to the easy scores( and high shooting %) we needed to win. Without the ability to gamble defensively, we lost those extra possessions we so desperately need.

The overhaul meant we had to change how we play offensively AND defensively.

[MBunge]

I don't want to suggest that the trade didn't have real negative effects on the team.

But...before Perk stepped a foot on the court this year, Boston was 33 and 10.  That projects out to a record of about 64-18 for the season. They finished the season 56-26.  Perk played 12 games with the team and they went 8-4.  In other words, this team started to suffer on the court AFTER Perk came back.

Now, the trade certainly wasn't the only thing that happened to hurt the Celtics, but Doc's words show that one of the biggest problems was that this stubborn, stuck-in-their-ways team let the trade affect them mentally and emotionally.

Mike

[RJ87]

ben: krstic had both of his knees bruised and JO was playing through a broken wrist - handing them more minutes wouldn't have helped. Not to mention is a solid offensive player, but his defensive is worse then Glen's. Playing him at 4 against Lebron James would have been disastrous. Green was good for us for stretches, but clearly needs more time/practice within the system.

Its always entertaining to me how people think professional coaching & managing players' egos is so simplistic - if that's the case, go out and get Doc's job.

I like the part where you asked me to "go out" and get Doc's job.  At least I have a voice that still works ... 

nah, i still diesagree with you on Jeff Green.  Jeff Green was definitely ready to take all of glen's minutes at the 4 considering Glen played absolutely terrible.  And forgive me if I think it's not as hard as some people make it out to be moving from one team to another.  I seem to remember a certain 3 players that got together and won a championship the first year playing together.  The three players(yeah im talking about our big 3)  learned thibs defense and docs "offense" in less than one year, and won a championship while they were at it.  Basketball is a simple game at its core, I am not afraid to say that. 

Newsflash: our Big 3 had part of the offseason, a full training camp, and preseason to get some type of cohesiveness before the games started to count in that first year. We were bringing in a bunch of new guys in the middle of the season - where the schedule is notoriously compact (read: less time for team practices in between games), while we were barely hanging on to the #1 seed. Those are the facts.

[Casperian]

This coming from a guy who just now admits Davis was playing bad because he had a contract on the brain. Well I would like to ask why he kept playing him then?

We were going to have new players regardless due to injuries.
What is the point of saying this?

Our supposed great chemistry didn't help us in the last few seconds of regulation in game 4. This is an excuse and nothing more.

Agreed, it´s an excuse. It´s like "noone has ever beaten our starting 5 in a playoff series". Why call out the real culprits if you have to work with them for another year?

[CoachBo]

I don't want to suggest that the trade didn't have real negative effects on the team.

But...before Perk stepped a foot on the court this year, Boston was 33 and 10.  That projects out to a record of about 64-18 for the season. They finished the season 56-26.  Perk played 12 games with the team and they went 8-4.  In other words, this team started to suffer on the court AFTER Perk came back.

Now, the trade certainly wasn't the only thing that happened to hurt the Celtics, but Doc's words show that one of the biggest problems was that this stubborn, stuck-in-their-ways team let the trade affect them mentally and emotionally.

Mike

Well said. I'm continually amused by these ongoing attempts to conflate a player who has had limited impact on his new team. He looks mean? Really? And that's worth $9 million a year? Want that contract now with the owners on the warpath?

Of course not.

Silliness.

[Marcus13]

Heyyy Doc Rivers finally telling the truth.

It's a [dang] miracle