Perk: Shaq and J.O. Can't Do What I Do

[GreenFaith1819]

buellj814 - Yes Perk is better than Shaq on D, but I cannot agree with you that the main reason for the Cavs owning LA last year was Lebron.

I can't speak for the game in CLE, but I eagerly watched the game on Christmas when LA was embarrassed by CLE - the effect that Shaq had on both Gasol and Bynum was evident, at least to me. Shaq did not post huge numbers on Christmas, but Gasol and Bynum were Inneffective, to say the least.

Gasol and Bynum - not Kobe - is LA's strength. You take away LA's Towers - even one of them - and you win, no matter what Kobe does.

I think Kobe had over 30 in that game, too.

I have to attribute that victory in LA to Shaq as well as Lebron. Yes Lebron did his thing, but he wasn't beating LA without Shaq. Shaq helped negate Gasol and Bynum, and I look forward to him doing that again this year, too - in Green.

Yes - like you said - Perk is a better defender than Shaq right now. But man Shaq brings a presence about him - even at 38 years of age. Glad to have him (and JO) here.

[GreenFaith1819]

I think that drza44 and a few others mentioned it briefly here - but I hope Perk realizes that Kevin Garnett is (IMO) the anchor of the defense.

Yes - Perk is a top 5 defensive center, which is why I believe the man should stay in Boston. But - at the end of the day - KG has made Perk look really good on defense over the last few years.

KG will make Shaq (even at 38) a better defender, too - I believe that. No way that KG will let Shaq (or JO) be taken advantage of defensively, while he's in the game.

Perk - don't forget your Main Man - KG.

 

  Perk was already a good defender. It might have been hard to see when he was playing with mainly inexperienced players and poor defenders, but he was. Same with Rondo and TA.

Bball - yes - Perk was a good defender before KG got to Boston. But KG made him better.

No way that Perk would've played the way he did in that CHI series in 08-09 without KG's tutelage up til then.

And then KG (and Powe) went down? Perk did his thing - but only after some KG grooming.

[kozlodoev]

why would you want to give up Perkins?

I don't necessarily want to give up Perkins, but he will be a free agent after this season and it is possible that he will leave for a contract that has more years and more money than is wise to give someone like him.  Rondo received a 5-year, $55 million extension.  Would you give Perkins the same deal?  If another team is willing to give even more, do you try to outbid them?

I'd rather trade Baby than Perkins.  Perkins has proven in the past that he's willing to take a hometown discount.  Baby is far more likely to leave, so better to trade him while we have the chance.

You'd be lucky to get 50 cents on the dollar for a half-season rental of Glen Davis.

[Chris]

why would you want to give up Perkins?

I don't necessarily want to give up Perkins, but he will be a free agent after this season and it is possible that he will leave for a contract that has more years and more money than is wise to give someone like him.  Rondo received a 5-year, $55 million extension.  Would you give Perkins the same deal?  If another team is willing to give even more, do you try to outbid them?

I'd rather trade Baby than Perkins.  Perkins has proven in the past that he's willing to take a hometown discount.  Baby is far more likely to leave, so better to trade him while we have the chance.

You'd be lucky to get 50 cents on the dollar for a half-season rental of Glen Davis.

Whichever you were to trade, you wouldn't be getting top dollar for.  It is all about fit.  If they are able to trade their 5th big for someone who fills a need, then it makes sense.  If not, then they will just hold on to the depth. 

[BballTim]

I think that drza44 and a few others mentioned it briefly here - but I hope Perk realizes that Kevin Garnett is (IMO) the anchor of the defense.

Yes - Perk is a top 5 defensive center, which is why I believe the man should stay in Boston. But - at the end of the day - KG has made Perk look really good on defense over the last few years.

KG will make Shaq (even at 38) a better defender, too - I believe that. No way that KG will let Shaq (or JO) be taken advantage of defensively, while he's in the game.

Perk - don't forget your Main Man - KG.

 

  Perk was already a good defender. It might have been hard to see when he was playing with mainly inexperienced players and poor defenders, but he was. Same with Rondo and TA.

Bball - yes - Perk was a good defender before KG got to Boston. But KG made him better.

No way that Perk would've played the way he did in that CHI series in 08-09 without KG's tutelage up til then.

And then KG (and Powe) went down? Perk did his thing - but only after some KG grooming.

  Many players in the league become good defenders without having KG for a teammate. I'm sure KG helped him learn some things more quickly, but he'd probably still have figured out what KG taught him in 2008 by now.

[Chris]

I think that drza44 and a few others mentioned it briefly here - but I hope Perk realizes that Kevin Garnett is (IMO) the anchor of the defense.

Yes - Perk is a top 5 defensive center, which is why I believe the man should stay in Boston. But - at the end of the day - KG has made Perk look really good on defense over the last few years.

KG will make Shaq (even at 38) a better defender, too - I believe that. No way that KG will let Shaq (or JO) be taken advantage of defensively, while he's in the game.

Perk - don't forget your Main Man - KG.

 

  Perk was already a good defender. It might have been hard to see when he was playing with mainly inexperienced players and poor defenders, but he was. Same with Rondo and TA.

Bball - yes - Perk was a good defender before KG got to Boston. But KG made him better.

No way that Perk would've played the way he did in that CHI series in 08-09 without KG's tutelage up til then.

And then KG (and Powe) went down? Perk did his thing - but only after some KG grooming.

  Many players in the league become good defenders without having KG for a teammate. I'm sure KG helped him learn some things more quickly, but he'd probably still have figured out what KG taught him in 2008 by now.

Yeah, its a tough thing to quantify, since KG came right as Perk was reaching the point in his development when he should be putting it together anyways.  Plus, it is hard to know how far along he was before KG got here, just because the rest of the team was so terrible defensively it was hard to evaluate him, given one of his strengths is in the team defense.

[BballTim]

I think that drza44 and a few others mentioned it briefly here - but I hope Perk realizes that Kevin Garnett is (IMO) the anchor of the defense.

Yes - Perk is a top 5 defensive center, which is why I believe the man should stay in Boston. But - at the end of the day - KG has made Perk look really good on defense over the last few years.

KG will make Shaq (even at 38) a better defender, too - I believe that. No way that KG will let Shaq (or JO) be taken advantage of defensively, while he's in the game.

Perk - don't forget your Main Man - KG.

 

  Perk was already a good defender. It might have been hard to see when he was playing with mainly inexperienced players and poor defenders, but he was. Same with Rondo and TA.

Bball - yes - Perk was a good defender before KG got to Boston. But KG made him better.

No way that Perk would've played the way he did in that CHI series in 08-09 without KG's tutelage up til then.

And then KG (and Powe) went down? Perk did his thing - but only after some KG grooming.

  Many players in the league become good defenders without having KG for a teammate. I'm sure KG helped him learn some things more quickly, but he'd probably still have figured out what KG taught him in 2008 by now.

Yeah, its a tough thing to quantify, since KG came right as Perk was reaching the point in his development when he should be putting it together anyways.  Plus, it is hard to know how far along he was before KG got here, just because the rest of the team was so terrible defensively it was hard to evaluate him, given one of his strengths is in the team defense.

  Don't forget the Clifford Ray factor as well.

[Chris]

I think that drza44 and a few others mentioned it briefly here - but I hope Perk realizes that Kevin Garnett is (IMO) the anchor of the defense.

Yes - Perk is a top 5 defensive center, which is why I believe the man should stay in Boston. But - at the end of the day - KG has made Perk look really good on defense over the last few years.

KG will make Shaq (even at 38) a better defender, too - I believe that. No way that KG will let Shaq (or JO) be taken advantage of defensively, while he's in the game.

Perk - don't forget your Main Man - KG.

 

  Perk was already a good defender. It might have been hard to see when he was playing with mainly inexperienced players and poor defenders, but he was. Same with Rondo and TA.

Bball - yes - Perk was a good defender before KG got to Boston. But KG made him better.

No way that Perk would've played the way he did in that CHI series in 08-09 without KG's tutelage up til then.

And then KG (and Powe) went down? Perk did his thing - but only after some KG grooming.

  Many players in the league become good defenders without having KG for a teammate. I'm sure KG helped him learn some things more quickly, but he'd probably still have figured out what KG taught him in 2008 by now.

Yeah, its a tough thing to quantify, since KG came right as Perk was reaching the point in his development when he should be putting it together anyways.  Plus, it is hard to know how far along he was before KG got here, just because the rest of the team was so terrible defensively it was hard to evaluate him, given one of his strengths is in the team defense.

  Don't forget the Clifford Ray factor as well.

And based on them kicking to the curb this season, it does make me wonder how much credit we need to give him as well, or whether he is overrated.  Its just so hard to tell on these things, because there are so many factors.

[clover]

Perk's being vocal and quarterbacking the defense came right from KG.

[BballTim]

I think that drza44 and a few others mentioned it briefly here - but I hope Perk realizes that Kevin Garnett is (IMO) the anchor of the defense.

Yes - Perk is a top 5 defensive center, which is why I believe the man should stay in Boston. But - at the end of the day - KG has made Perk look really good on defense over the last few years.

KG will make Shaq (even at 38) a better defender, too - I believe that. No way that KG will let Shaq (or JO) be taken advantage of defensively, while he's in the game.

Perk - don't forget your Main Man - KG.

 

  Perk was already a good defender. It might have been hard to see when he was playing with mainly inexperienced players and poor defenders, but he was. Same with Rondo and TA.

Bball - yes - Perk was a good defender before KG got to Boston. But KG made him better.

No way that Perk would've played the way he did in that CHI series in 08-09 without KG's tutelage up til then.

And then KG (and Powe) went down? Perk did his thing - but only after some KG grooming.

  Many players in the league become good defenders without having KG for a teammate. I'm sure KG helped him learn some things more quickly, but he'd probably still have figured out what KG taught him in 2008 by now.

Yeah, its a tough thing to quantify, since KG came right as Perk was reaching the point in his development when he should be putting it together anyways.  Plus, it is hard to know how far along he was before KG got here, just because the rest of the team was so terrible defensively it was hard to evaluate him, given one of his strengths is in the team defense.

  Don't forget the Clifford Ray factor as well.

And based on them kicking to the curb this season, it does make me wonder how much credit we need to give him as well, or whether he is overrated.  Its just so hard to tell on these things, because there are so many factors.

  The impression I got was that Ray was great at teaching inexperienced big men. Perk and Baby don't fit that bill so much, and they might have felt that the end of the bench guys weren't worth the expense. Or it could be that Frank really pushed for Rogers.

  I still think it's weird that Roy Rogers is a coach for us. He never really struck me as the higher than average BBIQ type.