Referee overruled in NFL - NBA ( Ref looks the other way)

[Alleyoopster]

I'm off on the particulars...anyone who knows the rule better is free to correct me. 
Caught a few minutes of the Vikings-Saints game tonight.  On one particular call the referee was overruled by the umpire on a dropped ball decision. The original ref called it a completion while the second ruled it a dropped ball. The NFL rule states that the second call supersedes the first. FWIW: The Vikings challenged the call, but lost the decision.
 
This got me thinking about what most likely would have happened on a similar play in a typical NBA game.  For example, a player takes three steps while going to the hoop and gets fouled.  Two of the refs and EVERYONE in the building, except the foul-calling-ref, witnesses the blatant travel violation.  One would think one or both of the other refs would over-turn the call.
Unfortunately, it just doesn't happen in the NBA. I can't understand why this is allowed to happen over and over in every NBA game. Surely, if there was a culture of correction, then perhaps the Donaghy gambling scandal could have been prevented. Yes, there are occasional overturned plays, but they are very rare. The only time they seem to collaborate is when they are not sure who knocked the ball out of bounds. It's time for the NBA to follow the NFL's example and  encourage refs to overturn each other's calls. Otherwise, we are going to continue having too many calls decided by incorrect referee decisions.

[dark_lord]

i have given up on trying to figure out nba officials.  they are virtually all inconsistent and terrible imo

[guava_wrench]

I'm off on the particulars...anyone who knows the rule better is free to correct me. 
Caught a few minutes of the Vikings-Saints game tonight.  On one particular call the referee was overruled by the umpire on a dropped ball decision. The original ref called it a completion while the second ruled it a dropped ball. The NFL rule states that the second call supersedes the first. FWIW: The Vikings challenged the call, but lost the decision.
 
This got me thinking about what most likely would have happened on a similar play in a typical NBA game.  For example, a player takes three steps while going to the hoop and gets fouled.  Two of the refs and EVERYONE in the building, except the foul-calling-ref, witnesses the blatant travel violation.  One would think one or both of the other refs would over-turn the call.
Unfortunately, it just doesn't happen in the NBA. I can't understand why this is allowed to happen over and over in every NBA game. Surely, if there was a culture of correction, then perhaps the Donaghy gambling scandal could have been prevented. Yes, there are occasional overturned plays, but they are very rare. The only time they seem to collaborate is when they are not sure who knocked the ball out of bounds. It's time for the NBA to follow the NFL's example and  encourage refs to overturn each other's calls. Otherwise, we are going to continue having too many calls decided by incorrect referee decisions.

NBA officials correct one another all the time. There are many occasions in games when one ref makes one call and the other refs tell him otherwise.

Nothing to see here...

[BballTim]

  I saw a referee's decision overturned in the playoffs. LeBron got fouled and the ref was giving the Cavs the ball to inbound. LeBron went over and yelled at the ref and they switched it to a shooting foul.

[GreenEnvy]

  I saw a referee's decision overturned in the playoffs. LeBron got fouled and the ref was giving the Cavs the ball to inbound. LeBron went over and yelled at the ref and they switched it to a shooting foul.

LOL, TP!


And guava, it happens all the time? No it doesn't. Seldom, if ever, are horrible calls corrected. The only time they converge is for Flagrant/Techs and maybe out-of-bounds calls. A phantom hack or non-travel call are almost never overruled.

[Witch-King]

If I didn't know any better I would sort of guess that the creator of this topic might be venting about LeBron James' crab step, also known as the 'King Crab-Dribble'... 

Sorry, but I couldn't restrain myself from mentioning that after watching an entire youtube video devoted to instances where LeBron was not penalized for traveling.

[Witch-King]

  I saw a referee's decision overturned in the playoffs. LeBron got fouled and the ref was giving the Cavs the ball to inbound. LeBron went over and yelled at the ref and they switched it to a shooting foul.

That's hilarious because LeBron might actually have been fouled in the act of shooting in that instance, however given the fact that he gets so many 'superstar' calls and also gets away with traveling it's certainly hard for even myself, an admitted LeBron James fan to feel bad for him in that case.

[guava_wrench]

  I saw a referee's decision overturned in the playoffs. LeBron got fouled and the ref was giving the Cavs the ball to inbound. LeBron went over and yelled at the ref and they switched it to a shooting foul.

LOL, TP!


And guava, it happens all the time? No it doesn't. Seldom, if ever, are horrible calls corrected. The only time they converge is for Flagrant/Techs and maybe out-of-bounds calls. A phantom hack or non-travel call are almost never overruled.

How can a ref overturn a phantom foul call using the justification that he didn't see it? The ref who "saw" it gets priority there.

But refs confer on out of bounds and charge/blocking all the time.

And if we go back to the original post, we have a fan getting excited about a single call being overturned when refs in basketball regularly are conferring on calls. This thread is misguided.

[guava_wrench]

  I saw a referee's decision overturned in the playoffs. LeBron got fouled and the ref was giving the Cavs the ball to inbound. LeBron went over and yelled at the ref and they switched it to a shooting foul.

LOL, TP!


And guava, it happens all the time? No it doesn't. Seldom, if ever, are horrible calls corrected. The only time they converge is for Flagrant/Techs and maybe out-of-bounds calls. A phantom hack or non-travel call are almost never overruled.

How can you overturn a non-travel call? You can't overturn a call not made!
 

[kozlodoev]

This got me thinking about what most likely would have happened on a similar play in a typical NBA game.  For example, a player takes three steps while going to the hoop and gets fouled.  Two of the refs and EVERYONE in the building, except the foul-calling-ref, witnesses the blatant travel violation.  One would think one or both of the other refs would over-turn the call.

I don't know what you're talking about. Officials confer, and calls are routinely overturned in the NBA.

[Alleyoopster]

If I didn't know any better I would sort of guess that the creator of this topic might be venting about LeBron James' crab step, also known as the 'King Crab-Dribble'... 

Sorry, but I couldn't restrain myself from mentioning that after watching an entire youtube video devoted to instances where LeBron was not penalized for traveling.

No, I wasn't venting about LeBron.  If I were to vent it would be about the non-calls Jordan used to get.  I wish someone would re-watch every Bulls game and count how many times he blatantly shoved the player guarding him behind a pick. Thus, setting himself up for an easy drive to the hoop or an open shot. I bet he did it thousands of times. I'm not saying he wasn't one of the greatest players ever.  He just got too many breaks in my opinion. 

I'm not sure, but I think if you go to the games, which I seldom do, the non-calls or the blatantly wrong calls are much more obvious. The refs should talk more and not be afraid to change each other's decisions.  In my opinion this is frowned upon either by the refs and/or management.

"And if we go back to the original post, we have a fan getting excited about a single call being overturned when refs in basketball regularly are conferring on calls. This thread is misguided."

In football many calls can be contested in Instant Replay.  This is something that can't be done in the NBA. Also, there are many more plays in basketball compared to football.  So, there should be a lot more disagreement. I find it frustrating to watch a game where calls are so wrong, yet nothing is done about it.  Doesn't it get you upset?   
 
 

[Fan from VT]

Well there are many many more judgment calls in basketball vs. football. And, logisticall/realistically, you can't have judgment calls argued about among refs. It's undermining and creates a bad atmosphere. The time for criticism of judgment calls is by video review after each game, which I believe does happen.

So in football, they usually huddle to discuss concrete things: "I saw his feet at position X, was the player juggling the ball?"
or
"I called pass interference, but did you see the ball tipped at the line?"

These types do happen frequently in basketball, where they huddle to see if another ref saw other concrete things: foot on the line, in the circle, etc. The other time they huddle is when opposing calls are made: 2 refs blow the whistle, one says charge, other says blocking foul. Then they have to get together and work it out.