Rasheed looking like bad pickup. Celtics bench needs an upgrade

[wdleehi]

Since Wallace has showed up for big games off the bench (a role he will return to) I think he is still one of the top reserves any of the real contenders have. 


Once healthy, the bench just needs small adjustments.  (like someone to play PG)

[2short]

Thing is a lot of people were criticizing rondo pretty heavily earlier in year for lack of consistancy.  I think 'Sheed is the most inconsistant player we have.  When he is playing his top game he is one of the better big men in the game still.  But the other side of the coin he doesn't play as well as perk, gets t's, plays lackluster and chucks ill advised 3's like he was antoine!

I do not feel he or daniels are bad pickups but I really scratch my head at how wallace plays at times.  Once we have a healthy roster I think danny has done a great job.  End of bench guys (as of now) would be williams, scal, davis & tony.

[Fafnir]

His lack of rebounding is way more concerning than the shot-selection, IMO.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wallara01.html

His rebounding rate is down a little, but that's to be expected with such an old player. I think Rasheed has been who he thought we were getting.

We really need KG to come back soon though.

I didn't mean I was expecting him to rebound better. It's more concerning to me because the Celtics are a much worse rebounding team that I thought they'd be - making Wallace's mediocre rebounding more difficult to be minimized.

ps - huh, only now I checked his numbers and his rebounding is down more than a little. He's basically rebounding at a Bargnani's level. Very bad.

His per 36 rebounding is down only 1.4 and his rebound rate is down a little under 2. He's never been a good rebounding 4.

I think you just didn't realize how bad his rebounding was in the past! 

[Fafnir]

One thing I want to see is if BBD can keep rebounding like he has been. He's been killing it on the offensive glass and improved on the defensive boards as well.

If he keeps that up in his bench minutes he'll be huge for a Celtics team that needs a player who can get to the offensive glass.

[snively]

Sheed has definitely been disappointing.  I don't have a problem with the volume of his shooting (he's the best scoring option on the bench), but his accuracy has been terrible.

After 4 consecutive seasons above 35% (and 10 straight seasons over 30%(, he's shooting 28.7% from deep.  Rondo shot better than that last year.  Coming at a time when he's taking them at an outrageous rate, this is a big problem for the C's.

His inability to hit open 3s has been one of the crucial factors in most of our close losses.

I like his defense for the most part (although he's ill-suited for the 4 spot at this stage of his career), his post scoring has been a boon, and his rebounding has been capable if not good.  But 3-pt shooting was one of the primary reasons he was brought here, and 28.7% just doesn't cut it.

[scoop]

His lack of rebounding is way more concerning than the shot-selection, IMO.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wallara01.html

His rebounding rate is down a little, but that's to be expected with such an old player. I think Rasheed has been who he thought we were getting.

We really need KG to come back soon though.

I didn't mean I was expecting him to rebound better. It's more concerning to me because the Celtics are a much worse rebounding team that I thought they'd be - making Wallace's mediocre rebounding more difficult to be minimized.

ps - huh, only now I checked his numbers and his rebounding is down more than a little. He's basically rebounding at a Bargnani's level. Very bad.

His per 36 rebounding is down only 1.4 and his rebound rate is down a little under 2. He's never been a good rebounding 4.

I think you just didn't realize how bad his rebounding was in the past! 

I did. A rebounding rate down by 2 isn't a small decrease.

[gpap]

Rasheed Wallace while can give you clutch three's at any point of the game and ocassionally a nice turn around jumper from the paint area is absolutely done in the defensive end. The guy moves slower than a dinasour now

Unlike hard nosed players like posey, powe and even tony allen who give maximum effort on the court wallace likes to take it easy especially on the defensive end. He sort of looks like he is hurt actually when he moves

I doubt that he ever has dived for loose balls

He was not a good pickup imo. Whats the good if you can get some points in the game when your defense gives up double amount of points?

Danny has picked up another taller eddie house(specialist) for a premium price and maybe he will pay dividends in the playoffs nailing that clutch three we need to bury a team ala robert horry but right now as a top 6th man/temporary starter he is not effective.

Danny has to stop trying sign guys like wallace, lindsay hunter and other older vets. We really need to get younger , so that we can hang with teams like the hawks and lakers. Don;'t care how smart or experienced a vet could be, a good young player has lots of energy, enthuthiasm , stamina to battle

I'd like to see danny make some honest moves to help shore up the bench. Waive sheldon williams who has been moved around the league for a good reason, cut eddie house who plain out stinks 

I'd like to see the celts try and grab Ryan Anderson (who is currently benched ) and say Reddick . Maybe magic might bite for a return of a future 1st round pick plus giddens, walker, scal combination

Then our bench would include wallace, tony allen, anderson, reddick, BBD and fa pg pickup. That be a heck alot better than the bench we got now. Anderson is a real good player and its crazy of orlando to bench him

So let me get this straight: We are going to cut Sheed, House, Williams, replace them with Reddick and Ryan Anderson and suddenly we are going to be the most feared team in the NBA.

Just because somebody is young, doesn't necessarily make them a good player. Remember the 2006-07 Celtics? They were young and couldn't win a game if you glued a $100 bill to the backside of the opposing team's players.

[Fafnir]

His lack of rebounding is way more concerning than the shot-selection, IMO.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wallara01.html

His rebounding rate is down a little, but that's to be expected with such an old player. I think Rasheed has been who he thought we were getting.

We really need KG to come back soon though.

I didn't mean I was expecting him to rebound better. It's more concerning to me because the Celtics are a much worse rebounding team that I thought they'd be - making Wallace's mediocre rebounding more difficult to be minimized.

ps - huh, only now I checked his numbers and his rebounding is down more than a little. He's basically rebounding at a Bargnani's level. Very bad.

His per 36 rebounding is down only 1.4 and his rebound rate is down a little under 2. He's never been a good rebounding 4.

I think you just didn't realize how bad his rebounding was in the past! 

I did. A rebounding rate down by 2 isn't a small decrease.

He had a rebounding rate of 11.7, 13.3, 13.0, and 13.7 before last year. His current rate is 11.9.

I have to say the decline to a rate of 12 doesn't surprise me.

[mmbaby]

One thing I want to see is if BBD can keep rebounding like he has been. He's been killing it on the offensive glass and improved on the defensive boards as well.

If he keeps that up in his bench minutes he'll be huge for a Celtics team that needs a player who can get to the offensive glass.

Totally agree, fafnir. TP

[Poseidon]

I like Sheed, but it just astounds me how he takes as many threes as RAY ALLEN. That should just not happen, and i feel ray should be getting many of those attempts. But I like what sheed has brought so far besides his erratic shooting.

[LooseCannon]

I think the clear solution while KG is out is to start Scalabrine and have Sheed still come off the bench but be on the floor at the end of the game.

OK, maybe not.  But admit it, based on last year, if Scal were consistently mediocre rather than flat-out sucking recently, you wouldn't automatically toss the idea in the trash.

[GreenFaith1819]

The celtics signed the best possible pickup they could have this summer (period).

I agree...the other potential pickup this summer (McDyess) is not playing as well as Sheed from what I believe.

I just know that Sheed will be more consistent in the playoffs. And by that time we'll have nearly everyone back healthy.

[Rondo_is_better]

Everyone forgets about Marquis Daniels.

[jasail]

There is no doubt that Sheed is not they player he used to be.  But are we even having this conversation if the team is healthy???  They have been loosing a lot lately but they have been playing without their top three players (PP,KG,RR) and their top bench player.  Most teams loose when that happens.

IMO people may be looking to scape goat someone for the recent downturn in performance and Sheed is an easy target.  He shoots too many threes and doesn't always give maximum effort.  But we KNEW this when the C's got him, this is NOT NEW, it has been the knock on him his entire career.  It is just more palatable when Pierce and KG are playing 35 min a night and Sheed is getting 20.

The problem with the C's is not Sheed or the bench.  It is the fact that the big 3 are in their mid-30's and age is catching up. 

I do however agree that Sheed was a bad pick up in terms of 3 years at the MLE. As this trend continues (the big 3 being injured) Sheed is getting older and less productive.  So in years 2 & 3 Sheed being KG's primary back up does not instill a tremendous amount of hope in me.