Kennedy strikes again

[RAcker]

Well, since this particular ref is so bad, why hasn't the league did something about it?

bc its the nba

Simple, to the point.

[GreenFaith1819]

Glad to see this particular thread alive again. I posted below comment to the thread "Tonight's loss is on you, Sheed", a few hours ago in that thread. I just cut and pasted into this thread.

Please pay attention to my last paragraph below if you will.

In another words, if the Bill Kennedy incident last night had happened to say Lebron or one of the other "Respected" stars of the NBA, would this somehow catch the attention of Congress? I mean Lebron has been to the White House and all, so he has someone's ear in "Higher" places....

To me, it would be an interesting day if NBA executives were seated before Congress because of some potentially bad refs.....



"I believe we all knew what we were getting when Sheed came onboard. He has proven to be no different than what we thought.

With that being said, I'm in Sheed's corner, just like mostly everyone here. We will need him down the stretch. I just can't throw a guy under the bus that every single teammate he has played with respects and likes to be around.

Sheed had a big hand in us losing this game, but ONLY after he was set off by some bogus call? Yes he needs to swallow one for the team from time to time, but has Sheed EVER swallowed his pride for the teams he's been on? He is who he is.

I really miss Glen Davis through all of this. Thinking about it, he is probably our most experienced Big off of the bench (as far as Celtics experience) we have and he has been missed. If he was here last night, we win.

I see less complaining about the refs in the threads today than last night, but with all of the hoopla about this one particular ref, is the League investigating this game? Or the ref?

God forbid if some refs REALLY have it in for certain players...methinks that would be cause for Congressional insight? After all, Football and Baseball have been brought before Congress...just my take on it. I'm sure David Stern knows about this, but this stuff keeps happening...

Additionally..this thought just crossed my mind: What if this supposedly bogus call that happened to Sheed last night happened to....God Forbid....Lebron James? Kobe Bryant? Dwayne Wade? And if this call did happen to them, would either of those three being ejected would have a led to a different outcome (this particular ref being suspended)? Just my thoughts..."

[butterbeanlove]

As the Victorian writer Walter Bagehot once said:

   "We must not bring the Queen into the combat of politics, or she will cease to be reverenced by all combatants; she will become one combatant among many."

When refs become non-neutral participants in the fray, they lose all legitimacy.  The NBA refs are the weak link in the NBA enterprise.  Stern has his head in the sand (his checkbook).

Bravo sir, bravo.

Anything run by that moron and longtime league hack, Stu Jackson, will suck almost necessarily.

[GreenFaith1819]

Anyone who says that the officials can't affect the game or don't have an agenda, (or favorite players/teams), is just not in touch with reality. That said, when the Celtics play their best, they can beat anyone, in spite of everything the refs do to prevent it. This one is on the C's ... the coaches and the players, bar none.

This is a good point...if the Celtics did play better, evidently they would have overcome this.

But still...I really believe that when Bill Kennedy gives Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, or Dwayne Wade a "Bad Call" that is when it will get out of the League's hands...imagine this scenario, even as far fetched as it sounds:

2013 NBA Finals...Cleveland Cavs VS LA Lakers (I know...I'm just going for Sheer Star Power here). Bill Kennedy is one of refs assigned. Game 7 in LA. Close, hard-fought game throughout. Then in final two minutes of game, BOTH Kobe and Lebron get called for something outrageous via Bill Kennedy....throw in the scenario that this series happens to be the most watched in NBA history...

What's to stop Lebron and Kobe (And Phil Jackson) from complaining enough for something to get done? Or would just the fact that Bill is exposed on a National scale like the NBA finals be enough for some entity other than the "League" to step in.....?

Unfortunately, maybe the Celtics don't have that kind of star power (or League-Wide Respect) that would change something like what happened last night.

If Bill (or any other ref) is truly dirty, then it'll come back on them. Look at Donaghy.

[Amonkey]

Anyone who says that the officials can't affect the game or don't have an agenda, (or favorite players/teams), is just not in touch with reality. That said, when the Celtics play their best, they can beat anyone, in spite of everything the refs do to prevent it. This one is on the C's ... the coaches and the players, bar none.

This is a good point...if the Celtics did play better, evidently they would have overcome this.

But still...I really believe that when Bill Kennedy gives Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, or Dwayne Wade a "Bad Call" that is when it will get out of the League's hands...imagine this scenario, even as far fetched as it sounds:

2013 NBA Finals...Cleveland Cavs VS LA Lakers (I know...I'm just going for Sheer Star Power here). Bill Kennedy is one of refs assigned. Game 7 in LA. Close, hard-fought game throughout. Then in final two minutes of game, BOTH Kobe and Lebron get called for something outrageous via Bill Kennedy....throw in the scenario that this series happens to be the most watched in NBA history...

What's to stop Lebron and Kobe (And Phil Jackson) from complaining enough for something to get done? Or would just the fact that Bill is exposed on a National scale like the NBA finals be enough for some entity other than the "League" to step in.....?

Unfortunately, maybe the Celtics don't have that kind of star power (or League-Wide Respect) that would change something like what happened last night.

If Bill (or any other ref) is truly dirty, then it'll come back on them. Look at Donaghy.

Unfortunately I don't think that'll happen.  The League doesn't care about these bad calls as long as it's not against their star powers.  There are three players that I think won't have calls against them- Kobe, Wade and Lebron.  Out of those three, I think Lebron will never get a call against him.  Even if its this Kennedy guy, I still dont think he'd give a horrible against Lebron.  I think he knows he can mess with any team and any player and still get away with it, but if u start making horrible calls on Lebron, on national TV, that just wouldn't fly.

I guess what I am saying is that the best way to get a controversy out of this to get something going would be if Kennedy starts getting out of his head and make a purposely make a bad call against Lebron (like he has done with us).  That would be the only way that Stern would have to do something.  However, the system works for the two parties, meanwhile the rest of us gets screwed with this joke we like to cal reffing the game.

[Rondo_is_better]

Anyone who says that the officials can't affect the game or don't have an agenda, (or favorite players/teams), is just not in touch with reality. That said, when the Celtics play their best, they can beat anyone, in spite of everything the refs do to prevent it. This one is on the C's ... the coaches and the players, bar none.

This is a good point...if the Celtics did play better, evidently they would have overcome this.

But still...I really believe that when Bill Kennedy gives Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, or Dwayne Wade a "Bad Call" that is when it will get out of the League's hands...imagine this scenario, even as far fetched as it sounds:

2013 NBA Finals...Cleveland Cavs VS LA Lakers (I know...I'm just going for Sheer Star Power here). Bill Kennedy is one of refs assigned. Game 7 in LA. Close, hard-fought game throughout. Then in final two minutes of game, BOTH Kobe and Lebron get called for something outrageous via Bill Kennedy....throw in the scenario that this series happens to be the most watched in NBA history...

What's to stop Lebron and Kobe (And Phil Jackson) from complaining enough for something to get done? Or would just the fact that Bill is exposed on a National scale like the NBA finals be enough for some entity other than the "League" to step in.....?

Unfortunately, maybe the Celtics don't have that kind of star power (or League-Wide Respect) that would change something like what happened last night.

If Bill (or any other ref) is truly dirty, then it'll come back on them. Look at Donaghy.

Unfortunately I don't think that'll happen.  The League doesn't care about these bad calls as long as it's not against their star powers.  There are three players that I think won't have calls against them- Kobe, Wade and Lebron.  Out of those three, I think Lebron will never get a call against him.  Even if its this Kennedy guy, I still dont think he'd give a horrible against Lebron.  I think he knows he can mess with any team and any player and still get away with it, but if u start making horrible calls on Lebron, on national TV, that just wouldn't fly.

I guess what I am saying is that the best way to get a controversy out of this to get something going would be if Kennedy starts getting out of his head and make a purposely make a bad call against Lebron (like he has done with us).  That would be the only way that Stern would have to do something.  However, the system works for the two parties, meanwhile the rest of us gets screwed with this joke we like to cal reffing the game.

Also, lets say Stern knew Kennedy was dirty. Would he really assign him to a finals game? Or would he just let Kennedy do his thing during the regular season and early playoffs and then assign some non-corrupt referees to the finals?

[dark_lord]

Well, since this particular ref is so bad, why hasn't the league did something about it?

bc its the nba

Simple, to the point.

its what i do 

[Finkelskyhook]

To compare the calls and non-calls Kobe gets to what the messiah gets is absurd.

The people complaining about the calls Kobe gets are a little hypocritical.  Paul gets as many...if not more ridiculous calls as Kobe.  I don't hear anybody complaining in here about Paul's obvious travels or when he upfakes and then throws his body into the defender...

Kennedy's calls are no less egrigious than Bavetta's, Crawford's or Donaghy's for that matter.  Until the same rules apply to every player we'll never know how many of these games are legitimate  and how many are  fixed.

[Amonkey]

The thing that I don't like about the NBA is if at least it was consistent.  Soccer refs can be pretty bad too, but that's mainly due to the number of refs.  However, at least you get a sense of how consistent his calls are.  During a game, a ref will either call a game tight, giving out cards and calling fouls on tackles and what not, or they'll let them play.  But at least they are consistent with the calls.  However, NBA calls are so inconsistent.