Anthony Randolph on the block

[Fan from VT]

Would they consider scal, bbd, tony, giddens, hudson, first roudner

for

Maggette, Randolph?


The only real drawback here is that it would disrupt postential cap space in the 2012 offseason...but with everyone around here willing to throw 3 year deals at ray and pierce, that's a pipe dream anyway. So upon considering that fact, Maggette is a surprisingly good player. he can play either wing spot, wouldn't complain with the 30 mpg behind pierce/allen (averaging 26 or so now), and is efficient offensively and draws tons of fouls. He'd be a great wing backup. Assuming that Ray and Rondo make the same amount combined next year as this year (i.e. if ray drops to about 10 mil per year) and we trade our expirings for maggette, we'd essentially have the same payroll next year as this year with a better roster. Have to seriously consider it if this is what it took to add a guy with huge potential in Randolph to our team, a team that has basically no chance at getting a good draft prospect in the near future

[nickagneta]

Would they consider scal, bbd, tony, giddens, hudson, first roudner

for

Maggette, Randolph?


The only real drawback here is that it would disrupt postential cap space in the 2012 offseason...but with everyone around here willing to throw 3 year deals at ray and pierce, that's a pipe dream anyway. So upon considering that fact, Maggette is a surprisingly good player. he can play either wing spot, wouldn't complain with the 30 mpg behind pierce/allen (averaging 26 or so now), and is efficient offensively and draws tons of fouls. He'd be a great wing backup. Assuming that Ray and Rondo make the same amount combined next year as this year (i.e. if ray drops to about 10 mil per year) and we trade our expirings for maggette, we'd essentially have the same payroll next year as this year with a better roster. Have to seriously consider it if this is what it took to add a guy with huge potential in Randolph to our team, a team that has basically no chance at getting a good draft prospect in the near future

Interesting but I think they only do this if the philosophy there is to deal all the big contracts away(Maggette, Udrih, Ellis and possibly Biedrins) and start over with the ultra young core of Curry, Azubuike, Morrow, Watson and Wright. If that's the case I could see them keeping Randolph then and including Wright in the deal.

[Fan from VT]

Would they consider scal, bbd, tony, giddens, hudson, first roudner

for

Maggette, Randolph?


The only real drawback here is that it would disrupt postential cap space in the 2012 offseason...but with everyone around here willing to throw 3 year deals at ray and pierce, that's a pipe dream anyway. So upon considering that fact, Maggette is a surprisingly good player. he can play either wing spot, wouldn't complain with the 30 mpg behind pierce/allen (averaging 26 or so now), and is efficient offensively and draws tons of fouls. He'd be a great wing backup. Assuming that Ray and Rondo make the same amount combined next year as this year (i.e. if ray drops to about 10 mil per year) and we trade our expirings for maggette, we'd essentially have the same payroll next year as this year with a better roster. Have to seriously consider it if this is what it took to add a guy with huge potential in Randolph to our team, a team that has basically no chance at getting a good draft prospect in the near future

Interesting but I think they only do this if the philosophy there is to deal all the big contracts away(Maggette, Udrih, Ellis and possibly Biedrins) and start over with the ultra young core of Curry, Azubuike, Morrow, Watson and Wright. If that's the case I could see them keeping Randolph then and including Wright in the deal.

Still might have to do it, even then. Might be able to lock wright up at a huge discount considering his injuries this year, and he's a very good prospect too.

[Fan from VT]

Would they consider scal, bbd, tony, giddens, hudson, first roudner

for

Maggette, Randolph?


The only real drawback here is that it would disrupt postential cap space in the 2012 offseason...but with everyone around here willing to throw 3 year deals at ray and pierce, that's a pipe dream anyway. So upon considering that fact, Maggette is a surprisingly good player. he can play either wing spot, wouldn't complain with the 30 mpg behind pierce/allen (averaging 26 or so now), and is efficient offensively and draws tons of fouls. He'd be a great wing backup. Assuming that Ray and Rondo make the same amount combined next year as this year (i.e. if ray drops to about 10 mil per year) and we trade our expirings for maggette, we'd essentially have the same payroll next year as this year with a better roster. Have to seriously consider it if this is what it took to add a guy with huge potential in Randolph to our team, a team that has basically no chance at getting a good draft prospect in the near future

Interesting but I think they only do this if the philosophy there is to deal all the big contracts away(Maggette, Udrih, Ellis and possibly Biedrins) and start over with the ultra young core of Curry, Azubuike, Morrow, Watson and Wright. If that's the case I could see them keeping Randolph then and including Wright in the deal.

Also i think a lot of teams see maggette's contract as a net negative, despite him being productive. so G.S. would probably have to pay a price to get his contract off the books; additionally, ellis and beidrins are still young enough to be part of a youth core, while Maggette is 30. Do the proposed deal, and they'd have a youth movement of:

Biedrin
Ellis
Curry
Wright
Azubuike
Morrow

Who, along with Vlad Rad and Turiaf would have a total of 43 million dollars in contracts, allowing them to enter free agency and actually be below the cap, something that was unthinkable a while ago. Additionally, by simply dealing vlad and turiaf (useful pieces, especially turiaf) to contenders for expiring deals (say turiaf, vlad, for Ilgauskas or Kenny thomas, which helps both sides, or for Haywood and mike James with woashington, they could have enough room for the above core PLUS a max free agent like Joe Johnson, Amare, etc.

[Evantime34]

I haven't watched Golden State play this year so if anyone could fill me in as to what Randolph did to get himself on the block.

A tall young athletic player who can shoot should thrive in Golden State, why isn't that happening?

I love the Maggette and Randolph deal mentioned earlier. Very unlikely they do that unless they are really trying to shed salary. I'm not even sure that works under the cap.

[Chris]

I haven't watched Golden State play this year so if anyone could fill me in as to what Randolph did to get himself on the block.

He played for Don Nelson.  Sure, there are questions about his work ethic, but ultimately, I think Nelson is just openly trying to get fired these days.  He is alienating every player he can, and there seems to be very little rhyme or reason to his decisions. 

[arctic 3.0]

Would they consider scal, bbd, tony, giddens, hudson, first roudner

for

Maggette, Randolph?


The only real drawback here is that it would disrupt postential cap space in the 2012 offseason...but with everyone around here willing to throw 3 year deals at ray and pierce, that's a pipe dream anyway. So upon considering that fact, Maggette is a surprisingly good player. he can play either wing spot, wouldn't complain with the 30 mpg behind pierce/allen (averaging 26 or so now), and is efficient offensively and draws tons of fouls. He'd be a great wing backup. Assuming that Ray and Rondo make the same amount combined next year as this year (i.e. if ray drops to about 10 mil per year) and we trade our expirings for maggette, we'd essentially have the same payroll next year as this year with a better roster. Have to seriously consider it if this is what it took to add a guy with huge potential in Randolph to our team, a team that has basically no chance at getting a good draft prospect in the near future

this would leave us with a bench of wallace, house danials, maggette, randolph, williams and walker.
the first 5 start in some towns.

also sets us up for the post big 3 era with a core of perk, rondo and randolph. wow.

down side is we have maggette and his contract to deal with.  how bad does it handcuff us down the road?

[Fan from VT]

Would they consider scal, bbd, tony, giddens, hudson, first roudner

for

Maggette, Randolph?


The only real drawback here is that it would disrupt postential cap space in the 2012 offseason...but with everyone around here willing to throw 3 year deals at ray and pierce, that's a pipe dream anyway. So upon considering that fact, Maggette is a surprisingly good player. he can play either wing spot, wouldn't complain with the 30 mpg behind pierce/allen (averaging 26 or so now), and is efficient offensively and draws tons of fouls. He'd be a great wing backup. Assuming that Ray and Rondo make the same amount combined next year as this year (i.e. if ray drops to about 10 mil per year) and we trade our expirings for maggette, we'd essentially have the same payroll next year as this year with a better roster. Have to seriously consider it if this is what it took to add a guy with huge potential in Randolph to our team, a team that has basically no chance at getting a good draft prospect in the near future

this would leave us with a bench of wallace, house danials, maggette, randolph, williams and walker.
the first 5 start in some towns.

also sets us up for the post big 3 era with a core of perk, rondo and randolph. wow.

down side is we have maggette and his contract to deal with.  how bad does it handcuff us down the road?

If we couldn't trade him for a shorter deal, then Maggette alone means that we could only create enough cap room in 2012 summer for one max free agent, with a little left over:

Rondo
Maggette
Max guy
Filler/minimum
Perk

Randolph will have to have been resigned by then, so we would essentially have about:

Rondo
Maggette
Someone
Randolph
Perk

with about say 8-15 million in cap room, depending on many variables. Very rough estimate.



So that 4th year on Maggette's contract could definitely disrupt free agent plans.

HOWEVER. As soon as you extend Ray past 2012 (meaning, after this year, any contract longer than 2 years) and Pierce (meaning, after his contract is over, anything more than a 1 year deal) and add a MLE guy or two to keep our current core competitive, we're getting close to that limit anyway.

That's one reason why Maggette/Randolph is intriguing. We wouldn't need Shelden back, we'd be fine without Daniels; if, for the rest of this year and the next 2 (until KG's contract is up) we have a basis of:

Rondo/House
Ray/Maggette
Pierce/Maggette
KG/Randolph
Perk/Sheed


we wouldn't need anything but minimum players and we'd have an excellent, dynamic team.

Essentially, Danny should decide right now if KG's year of expiration is going to mark the new era. If not, and he's already committed to extending Ray and Pierce at deserved money (i.e. 3/30 each or so, which i think is actually quite a bit more than Ray would get on the free agent market), a trade like this would be ideal. However, Danny could also decide that he's playing a hard line with 2012, and won't add anything that goes beyond that date; if so, read here:


http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=33584.msg634362#msg634362

[badax33]

I tried to post a new Trade Idea but for some reason it didn't post. 

So here's my idea.  Fits with this post:

Pls don't shoot me, it's just an idea I got from reading post on several sites.  It appears the GS is eager to trade Corey Maggette and they might be inclined to add Anthony Randolph.  My suggestion is TA, Scal and Eddie for Maggette and Randolph.  I'm not pushing to do it, but Maggette gives us a Big wing (G/F) who can shoot.  He also provides depth should PP or Ray get hurt.  He also protects us in case we can't or decide not to resign Ray (I hope we do resign Ray).  Also, it gives us a young, ahtletic forward with a ton of potential -starts our rebuilding.   I know there are issues with Maggette, but with people like KG, PP, Ray and Perk, he would be handled.  This trade does work on trade checker 5331325.  Remeber this is just for giggles, I don't know if Danny would even consider.